Pounding the Pavement



Sometimes when the party is over, everyone has left, the empty glasses still stand about and I’m sleepy yet want to listen to one more album, it is Slanted & Enchanted that almost invariably comes out. Instead of on the audio system, increasingly these days, in deference to the others that I live with, it is cranked up on the iPod. I find Pavement’s first (and may I say, classic) album’s fractured music, esoteric lyrics and the entire low-fidelity quality of sound a perfect way to top off a night of excesses.

Low-fidelity as a sub-genre of indie rock began with Pavement.

Low-fidelity as a sub-genre of indie rock began with Pavement.

Every time I listen to Slanted & Enchanted (released in 1992), I can’t help but be reminded that this was the one record that helped establish or start a new genre of music in the late 1990s. The first time I heard S&E what struck me was the near amateurish imperfection of the sound, the roughness, the fuzziness of the recording, the feedback that pops up now and then and, of course, the lyrics—clever but hard to fathom. I put it aside for months after that first listen but when I eventually brought it back out, I loved it. It’s stayed that way. It’s my one-for-the-road album, my nightcap album, my alone-on-a-deserted-island-with-just-one-album album.

I’ll tell you why I’m writing about Pavement. They are finally reuniting for some gigs next year. That, after years of constant rumours about a reunion since they broke up in 1999, is finally true. Pavement emerged in the US (in California) in the early 1990s and though they never hit the really big times, they found a cult following and bestowed huge influence over many subsequent bands and musicians. You could probably say lo-fi or low-fidelity as a sub-genre of indie rock music began with Pavement and a few other bands. Let me see whether I can describe lo-fi without playing you some samples of that sound.

The easy way to explain it is that it is the opposite of hi-fi. If high fidelity sound is an immaculately recorded, mixed, edited and mastered proffering of pop music, lo-fi is ragged, primitive and raw renditions of music. It all began in the late 1980s and gathered momentum in the 1990s in what I think was a reaction against too much slickly produced, shiny pop music that was ruling the charts then.

Lo-fi bands often used old technology to record their music and shunned the use of too many gizmos and digital doo-dahs. Even today, many bands follow that route in what you might say is an attempt to keep their music authentic. Jack White of The White Stripes and of so many other projects (The Raconteurs, The Dead Weather and more) famously shuns high-tech gear for recording and performing, choosing analogue over digital equipment to produce what many classify as minimalist rock. One of my friends, way more wise and, indeed, learned, calls all this “post-modernism in contemporary music”. I don’t know what that means but it certainly seems to sound right!

Like Pavement’s music always does to me. Pavement’s breakup happened when frontman, guitarist, singer and composer, Stephen Malkmus, decided to bail out. Malkmus went on his own and played with several projects—including Silver Jews, which had two other members of Pavement and was a kind of a side-act of theirs; and Stephen Malkmus and the Jicks, which was more of a Malkmus outfit. Neither was as interesting as Pavement, at least to my ears. I still try to zero in on what makes Pavement do it for me—is it their music? Or the rough-edged sound? Or is it the lyrics? All of these together, of course, but the lyrics add a certain edge to Pavement’s music. Check out these excerpts (from The Mouth of A Desert):

Can you treat it like an oil well
When it’s underground, out of sight?
And if the sight is just a whore sign
Can it make enough sense to me?
Pretend the table is a trust knot
We’ll put our labels down, faith is down
I’ll watch the yards of twine unravel
And you’ll never get it back.

There are many bands that have followed the Pavement. But there are other proponents of the lo-fi genre who’ve been around for a while. Some, like New Jersey’s strangely named Yo La Tengo have been around from even before Pavement. Formed in 1984 by Ira Kaplan and Georgia Hubley, a husband and wife team, Yo La Tengo are indie stars today and are still going strong after quarter or a century.

Listen to any of their 13 albums and you can see influences of Sonic Youth, Velvet Underground and even Dylan. I’d recommend 2006’s I’m Not Afraid of You And I Will Beat Your Ass (not only because of the deliciously appealing title!) or (the reason why I’m mentioning the band) their recently issued album, simply called, Popular Songs. Yo La Tengo’s music has all the low-fi attributes and, unlike Pavement, even their lyrics are sung in a muted, understated mumble. Another of my favourite nightcap bands.

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  • http://none Jayant

    sanjoy

    Absolutely great job you do with Download central. This is like bumping into a huge treasure trove and it keeps adding up every week!!

    love this blog.

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    Sanjoy Narayan Reply:

    Thank you. Glad to know you like it…

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  • http://camsioe.freewhost.com/sitemap.html Globals

    all good things

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  • Safiuddin K

    change within brings change outside. with majority of poeple BPL and abysmal listearcy level, evils continue to thrive…..but Amir is just a beginning. Hope the whole bollywood and cricketers too take up such cudgels.

    Safiuddin Khan

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  • Syed

    Err, what do you want to say?

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    Kushal Reply:

    Oh dear, Syed, obviously I haven’t made a point. I guess what I wanted to say was read what you want to read, not what you think you should read.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/ambika.pendharkar.7 Ambika Pendharkar

    My feelings exactly! I am one of those who haven’t read a single Harry Potter, just because I was scared by the phenomenon. The media hoo-haah made me run away…it’s wrong I know.

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    Kushal Reply:

    Hmm. The first four books are good fun, Ambika. The last three sucked.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/kanikadhupar Kanika Dhupar

    I am still skeptical to pick that book :(

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    Kushal Reply:

    You haven’t missed a thing, Kanika.

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  • masha

    Hooo boy!! Talk about buying books that I know will suck but I buy anyway.. :( Mostly cos they’re part of a series and while the writing was tripe and the story rather flimsy, one still wants to know the happy ending.. :( Only book I could resist buying was the second Fifty Shades book, I left the first one (downloaded not bought) half way through because “YUCK!!!”.

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    Kushal Reply:

    You were brave enough to try 50 Shades, Masha!

    Gosh, I’m so impressed by your courage. I refused to have anything to do with it in a weak and cowardly manner.

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  • Kushal

    Were you a Rushdie fan, Parmanu?

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  • Neha

    And for that same reason, pseudo-secularists like Vir Sanghvi continue to attack people like VS Naipaul, while defending freedom of expression in various other cases – Student of The Year religious sentiments controversy.

    Vir Sanghvi’s impartiality was always in question. His remaining credibility was lost after Radia tapes became public.

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  • H.Mani

    Why Islam or any religion can not be critisized,?If you do you can not be honored.A strange rule,never heard before?.Why VS NAIPAUL can not express his view.?Are we in Islamic Republic of India already?I was told it will be in next 50 years,but it is only 2012.We are now patrified by Islam,but why Naipaul a citizen of England abide by that rule?.Are we under Sharia already?,did I miss anything when I was gone for only one year to Mars.?Naipaul need no defence .Girish karnad now thinks R.N.Tagore is not good writer either.Who is next Shakespear or Tolstoi or Newton.?Who is this third rate has been from bollywood?What nerve to abuse once invitation?He would have been boed unmercifully in any civilized land,sorry was he in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia?No! He was in India,oh,I did not know,it the law of the land now under Sharia you can not give life time award to some one who does write like invasion of Islam harmed India?But it is historical fact,who says so?Girish Karnad and IR of India,that’s who?We have just awarded postmously Bharat Ratna to Auranzeb,Gori,Gajnavi and Nadhir Shah but Bharat is Hindu name,oh,it won’t be for long,some Arabic Nishan,we are thinking of like Pakistan,you know,,but those were bad guys.Says who?VS Naipaul,that’s who.So no award,he should be thankful we let him go in one piece,because Islam means peace.Thanks Singhvi,for your infomation,I was away to Mars,so much changes in one year?Allah was kind to us,Indians were rewarded because i.2 billion more Believer now.We just wait for China to turn Green and then USA is on barrowed time.

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    rao Reply:

    We have just awarded postmously Bharat Ratna to Auranzeb,Gori,Gajnavi and Nadhir Shah but Bharat is Hindu name
    aurangzeb ……..he was great secular honest ruler who kept his own son in jail on graft charges.he 1480 top hindu hindu officers in his army.had 36% hindu ministers.muslim rulers were first who gave land ownership to backwards and dalits.it is only during his time that our economy was bigger than chinese economy and level of literacy was 93%.ALL GLITTERING TEMPLES OF CHITRAKOOT WERE BUILT ON HIS INSTRUCTION.during wars some small temples were demolished,but reason was military or political not religious.now during wars in iraq and afghanista thousands of mosques are demolished.
    ,Gori,Gajnavi should be given bharat ratna,yes.temples hide the wealth in their lockers,hence increases poverty and unemployment.gori and ghazni looted (not destroyed)one or two temples .with that wealth they made their city best of world proving employment to millions of hungry indian workers and engineers.

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    h.mani Reply:

    rao,it was, sarcasam, really brought out you rao,how much of Hindu you are?,so why do you not loot Tripathi?Get Naik the new Gujnavi to organise some goondas & go to 7 hill temple in Triputi,you moron Rao,or Rahim Ali.You Muslims will go to any limit to pervert & rewrite history,did he murder Tej Bahadur in Chandni chowk,or was some new theory to help the Sikh not ask for Khalistan in 1670?Did he murder his brothers Dara Sekoh and Murad Bux,?& rode them back word sitting on human fesesis,donkey,it all history,check it out.You are dealing with a guy who knows history inside out.And sent the severed head of Dara to his old father imprisoned in Agra fort,check it out.Stop the bull Sh**T.You are dealing with a history buff,not some ideotic Taliban from mosque .

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    h.mani Reply:

    If you do not believe what have writen,ask Singhvi himself,he will confirm every word of it,I challenge you,just write your full name,not some fake Indian name,no hindu will recommand looting of temple as favor to poor people of Dalit,even mayavati and Mullah Yadav will not approve,check it out.You are fraud as they come.

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    rao Reply:

    read context why u are interested in name.TUM BRHMNON NE 3OOO YERAS INDIA KO JAHIL RAKHA AUR 33 CRORES DEVTA BECH KE UNKI JEB KHALEE KARAEE.PESHWAS OF POONA ALWAYS LOOTED SHANKARACHARYA TEMPLES WHEEVER IN NEED OF MONEY.shivajee always looted banians of surat when robbed by thugs of benaras.

    in cult fights temples of one cult were looted by followers of other cult.

    parusram a voilent brhmn god came on earth to kill all the khatris of india.kerala is called parusram shruti.he killed his own mother on instruction of his father.

    muslims were most tolerant rulers who built india like buhddhists.u people always looted india.doing same now.

    hate is a duty and lie a staple food.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mujeeb.abdul.7 Mujeeb Abdul

    WHY No-paul did not defend himself come to tv station have a debate with girish

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    Sinchan Mitra Reply:

    Naipaul having a debate with Girish – which world do you live in my friend?! In terms of intellectual stature, Naipual is thought of widely (in the English speaking world) as the greatest writer in the English language in the last 50 years. (along with Rushdie and a few others). Who has even heard of Karnad apart from a few people from Karnataka? (or at most India).

    Lets say I start criticizing Amartya Sen – then can I ask why doesn’t Amartya Sen come and defend his views in a tv station! That wouldn’t make sense, right?! The idea of debating with a intellectual pygmy like Karnad would seem laughable to Naipaul and rightly so.

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  • pg

    Vir Sanghvi – the stooge of CONs.

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  • engrich

    That decision must be left to the award’s jury and certainly Naipaul is no Godse or Goebbels to be treated as being beyond the pale
    naipaul is worst than both.he is rascist.,totally ignorant about indian history and society.a living monument of british debauchery of india.brhmn in him killed the genius in him.for most like him hate is duty and lie a staple food.everything good in india was built during muslim rule.
    during vedic period for 3 thousands year education was banned for indians and vedic were using ingonarance to sell bhagwans and rob innocent indians.

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    Rahul Vincci Reply:

    Stop lieing You Muslim thug. What infrastructure Muslim ruler did during their 1000 years of barbaric rule. A Taj Mahal(controversial) a gift to his wife for giving birth few more Muslim thugs, then the poor workers hands were chopped off. Hundreds of thousands of Temples were destroyed. First University of the world Nalanda University, was burnt to ashes by the Turkish Muslim thug 1137. Millions of manuscripts of ancient India was destroyed which is itself a crime UN-imaginable., Somnath temple was looted 17 times by the Muslim thug is an example to imagine how rich the India was. The genius of Vedas and Upanishads now studies under ancient civilisation in Harvard is the most prestigious chair.V.S Nai Paul is brilliant writer he portrayed the historic truth of Islamic barbarity which megalomaniac Karnard and like it’s eel can not tolerate because his Gyanpeet award will be snatched out by this UPA govt. corrupted with support of the illegal Muslims. Islam permits “taqqia” like your are doing it self a immoral act should be condemned and punished. To be a Nobel laureate itself Calssify nai Paul and Tagore altogather in different class of genius which Karnard would never reach even his 1000 iyears of reicarnated birth from his present pity self. Besides, let us talk about hindu Gene, recent studies in US shows a dramatic findings that less than 2 mil Indians of which 99% are Hindus, has the highest percapita income of $90,000, highest bachelors digree 67% and highest PHD about 13 % of the national average. Unfortunately all the immigrants from Islamic countries which is 6-7 mil has the most poorest record in every category. Which shows the ancient India, all his endeavour for seeking knowledge and to built a harmonious society was right. It has been diluted by the most un-scientific , savage, derogatory,intolerant culture of foreign Islamic rule.And V.S Nai Paul is absolutely correct on that.

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    rao Reply:

    then the poor workers hands were chopped off. Hundreds of thousands of
    Temples were destroyed. First University of the world Nalanda
    University,

    where temples were destroyed give me the name of place.mathura ayodjya and kashi were budhhdist cities after extermination of budhhdists berhmns occupied the places and converted budhhdist temples into shive temples.BUDHHDIST NUNS WERE CONVERTED INTO DEVDAASIS(TEMPLE PROSTITUTES).few jaines temples are still there.

    aadi shankarachra,a dwarf from kerala used to mascare budhdhists with the help of local kings.brhmns took the help of khilji rulers to finish this great seat of learning.barhmin temples of same time are still standing there.war and violence is like oxygen.from last hundred years u are killing muslims with the help of backwards and dalit.

    u barred the education to 98%of indian that is why u could never develop civilization.

    ur love for urself creates extreme hatred for others.ur spiritual fascism and intellectual goondaism are two gignatic octopuses eating the very vtals of our society.

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    Raja Reply:

    SIMI and Im thugs proliferate in India! Muslims and meaningful contribution? Are you hallucinating , mullah? I have never seen a community like yours which imagines all the best things on earth about yourselves while doing exactly the opposite! Your Hindu hatred turns into Brahmin hatred. So typical of your lies and taqiyaas. If you call Naipaul a brahmin what do you call SL Bhairappa? Islam means destruction. You brabarians have no education other than muggign up that medieval terror manual called Koran. Get out of tha tcult and save yourself!

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  • rao

    naipaul is brhmn who passes his life in eating mating and cheating.vedics did not provide right to education to indians during their 3000 years of occupation.entire india remained under darkness of illetracy.only bhagwans were traded.zero achievement in all field.

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    H.Mani Reply:

    No hindu will mis spell ,Brahmin as brhmn,that was a give away,& no Hindu in 2012,ask for looting of temple as civic service to dalit,not even Sp,BSP and Lalu not even Satalwad will have nerve to say.You are b**U**M. bar none.I never use bad language,so I refrain,but I know hateful Mullahs would,they do worse,put bullets in 13 year Mahala in Pakistan,,check it,no Raw or RSS did it..That is why VS Naipaul spoke the truth.Your days in world is numbered,Obama got re-elected,Drone is on the way,find a rat hole.

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    Raja Reply:

    Engrich to rao! Stinkign bearded mullah! Your community is simply stinking sty of sw1nes! Nobody wants to have any kind of relationship with you animals. Fear is not respect!

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  • Sinchan Mitra

    Usually Vir is very balanced, but today I have to disagree with him. Naipual may not be fond of Islam, but his non-fiction tackles different themes- they cannot be seen through the prism of his views on Islam. His books on India contain many extremely critical statements on India – should we now say he is anti-india and shouldn’t be given any award. His books also contain lots of statements extremely critical of his country of birth Trinidad. Should that also be a ground for refusing to honour a great writer who is also provocative (as great writers should be?). Indian intellectuals are so committed to “groupthink” – that they hardly deserve to be called intellectuals – they should learn to tolerate, debate and discuss other views instead of launching into a diatribe every time someone steps outside the party line.

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  • rao

    india needs 100 ghoris to take out trillions of dollars hidden in temples and ashrams(money laundering centres)and use them to devlop infrasture and invest in education.investment in education is investment on our future prosperity.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The last ghori who came was pretty gory in the treatment of you gr8 gr8 gr8 grandmother. he beheaded her husband and had fun with her so your clan caem out…

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  • kk raja

    KARNAD’S CANARDS AND A
    SELECTIVE SECULARISM.

    In this season of public castigations and exposures of the high and mighty ones, we have had to witness the phenomenon from an unexpected arena-Mumbai literature festival .In the shoes of the activist was an unusual character-Girish Karnad. At the receiving end, the redoubtable noble
    laurite V S Naipaul. Nothing spectacularly amiss so far, until we learn the
    content of castigation. Girish Karnad, a leading play writer, theatrist and
    actor, turned from his usual calm demeanour into his vitriolic worst by
    castigating Naipaul as a ‘tone-deaf, anti- Muslim’ fundamentalist who did not
    deserve his noble prize or the life-time achievement award in the festival. The
    forum that Karnad chose to run down sir Vidya could not have been more ironic, symbolically-A felicitation ceremony of a literature festival whose very epicenter is inhabited by such heavy weights of literature as Naipual. More shockingly, Karnad pulled it off as an act of a coup, using the podium offered by the organisers topresent his theatre field, instead to,present his diatribe to an unsuspecting audience.
    Karnad’s canards could have been dismissed off as an irrelevant utterance of a man desperately seeking revival of his lost public space, but for the streaks of his pretension as an outraged secularist hurt by the works of Naipaul. It is this “hurt”, which as per him remained suppressed for a decade until he found this opportune moment, that needs a closer evaluation to realise how hollow and misplaced they are. His hurt also has a larger implication to review how we have come to understand the concept of secularism in India. Karnad’s grievance against Naipul can be summarised
    thus:VS naipual through his many literary works has displayed a strong
    anti-Islamic stance. By recalling our great Islamic rulers as invaders and
    marauders that destroyed the pristine Hindu Vedic culture, especially in north India,Naipaul has berated the contemporary muslims with whom Karnad closely identify.Also,since Naipual did not mention about the all pervading Indian music (that has Islamic contribution), he is obviously tone-deaf. For this partisan, non- secular portrayal of Indian history,Naipaul forfeits all moral or literary claims for any recognition of his works,including his nobel prize.
    Now,if it was Karnard’s emotional outpour characteristic of theatre artists, one could have taken it in good jest and moved over. But, by positioning himself as a learned scholar of history attempting to right a wrong perspective, he would now be subjected to pin pricks from those who think otherwise.
    For a non-resident Indian, sir Vidya naipualhas no doubt been too harsh on India. In his trilogy on India(AN AREA OFDARKNESS , INDIA: A WOUNDED CIVILISATION and INDIA : A MILLION MUTINIES NOW ) his representation of India has incisively been critical, sharp and largely negative .But no literary critic has faulted his broad historical perspective where he traces the death and destructions in the wake of various invasions by Muslim warlords, from
    Ghouri to Babur and the subsequent Moghul dynasty. Certainly they were
    not the figment of his imaginations and are taken from well documented history. When chronicling India through such elaborate trilogy, he could not have evaded these facts. Even his worst critics adore his forthrightness and fortitude to see through a bloodied historical chronology that forms both, the backdrop as well as the source of contemporary India.
    Thus, attributing him with tendencies that are inimical to the virtues of
    secularism, branding him communal or agent of Hindu fundamentalism are nothing but hogwash and a brazen display of intellectual vacuum.

    An advocate of true secularism can and will never seek an exclusivity of any
    religious community over other, however marginalised one may claim.
    Poverty or exploitation has no religion.There are sections within each religion that remain depraved in each society.To give it a religious colour is nothing but mischievous in intent and devisive in practice. Clearly, in Karnad’s version of Indian history, the marauders and raiders were glorious gladiators who transformed the Indian landscape ushering in an era of peace and prosperity. If Naipual chose not to include music to portray India, that is his choice and does in no way make him deaf of dumb.

    This brings to the larger point about the grammar of Indian secularism that is practiced and preached these days. For Girish Karnad and his ilk, secularism means an emotional outpour, display of sympathy and an unquestioned submission to the demands espoused for the welfare of Indian Muslims, however outrageous such demands may be for rest of the nation. The ‘minority status’ is a sufficient rationale to empathise under all circumstances, and to seek an all pervading moral sanction to dole out even unconstitutional special favours. While Karnad may represent the fringe elements who advocate this distorted version of secularism, the real hard core flag bearers of the “ism” would not hesitate to walk that extra mile to demonise
    someone who may exhibit an innocuous genuine pride of Hinduism, even
    though with no prejudice to Islam. rational ones of the 21st
    century.Such has been the abuse of the term
    “secularism” in the Indian context that any display of fervour or espousing the
    genuine causes of other communities will automatically become “communal”. Slowly, but surely, these pseudo secularists have managed to align such appeasements with the national policies, creating de-facto a polarised society, deeply fissured from within. The constitutional imperative of “Equality of allirrespective of religion” has been decimated by legitimising a “minority
    welfare commission”-as if other communities have no rights for welfare.

    An advocate of true secularism can and will never seek an exclusivity of any religious community over other, however marginalised one may claim. Poverty or exploitation has no religion. There are sections within each religion that remain depraved in each society. To give it a religious colour is nothing but mischievous in intent and divisive in practice. It happens only in India. Elsewhere, in civilised societies of the world, focus is on individual rights irrespective of religious identity. The rights of a Muslim should as fiercely be defended as that of a Hindu, Sikh or Christian, as long we operate under the common banner of Indian constitution.It is when the Shariat law dismissed even by the apex court in the famous Shah bano case is given a legitimate approval by constitutional amendments that we loose the essence of secularism. As a society and a nation we stand at the threshold of being counted among the civilised rational ones of the 21st century. Economically. we aspire to be among the break-out nations. Yet, ironically we are still stuck on the crossroads of medieval mindsets where we glorify empathy for depravity ,largely of own making, in order to appear virtuous and end up embittered socially. Indian version of secularism is the embedded evil of this distortion.
    KKR

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  • Mamutty chola

    The way the terrorists are targetting our cities at will,reflects failures of our intellegence machinaries -Both at state and central levels.
    There has not been a single terrorist attack in USA since 9/11,shows how effective are their intelligence operatives.Mind you, they are targets of multiple terror groups.
    We must engage US intelligence experts in training our officers .we must bench-mark their best practices.

    Also there is a need to evolve transparent based justice systems.we cannot attain long- term internal peace without justice to the aggrieved. Innocents citizens kept in our jails without trials must be freed.Terrorists have No religion. No religious scriptures, be it ,Quran, Bhagvat Geeta,, Bible, gurugarath Saheb,teaches hatreds towards others. INJUSTICE does .It is a wake up call for all Indians who love their motherland.

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  • Mano Sing

    GPI en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genuine_Progress_Indicator

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  • Abhi

    “High growths don’t pull people out of poverty.”
    It can, if some groups do not multiply much faster than others just to create a vote bank!

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  • Anonymous

    Actually Zia is saying that a puny ISLAMIC country like Bangladesh beats India in Human development index…never mind genocide on non-muslims especially hindus in Bangladesh.

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    Abu Ahmed Reply:

    India’s populations is huge – whatever and however much is distributed, it still falls short by a huge margin. Why, even Afghanistan fares better than us in some ways – those who manage to survive there eat better than most Indians! Now dont remark that the Afghans have treated Hindus worse than B’desh. Okay, look at Nepal, Thaliand, Phillipines, most of africa. Our people have a very big appetite for corruption and that eats away all the short-supply of goodies.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That is why we need Modi who will take care of corruption.

    As far as Bangaldes is concerned, 20% of their population lives in India

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  • Abhishek Kumar

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  • Anonymous

    Zia before you extoll the virtues of bangladesh vis a vis ISLAMIC model
    would you care to answer the following queries
    1. HOW MANY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE THERE IN BANGLADESH
    2. HOW MANY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE THERE IN YOUR NATIVE ASSAM
    3. HOW MUCH FOREIGN AID HAS BANGLADESH RECEIVED

    4. JUST ONE ENGINEERING PRODUCT OR PHARMA EXPORTED FROM BANGLADESH, LEAVING ASIDE SOFTWARE EXPORTS
    even bangladesh’s biggest export garments , the fabric is sourced from INDIA
    5. HOW MANY YEARS OF PEOPLE’S WILL (read DEMOCRACY) has bangladesh enjoyed

    NOW COMING TO INDIA
    1. SEND CONgress party packing for good

    .2 India needs REVOLUTION IN AGRICULTURE, fully mechanised agriculture with massive acreage by coalescing pattas , corporate farming, patta holders being share holders
    3. COMPULSORY LEGALLY BINDING EDUCATION TILL AGE 18, PARENTS FAILING TO SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL TO FACE JAIL LIKE IN UK
    THE MONEY TO COME FROM TAXATION AND FREEZING TO WAGES FOR TWO YEARS
    3.CRONY CAPITALISM A LA AMBANI TYPE BUFFETTED BY ZENOPHOBIA AND PROTECTIONISM NEEDS TO GO

    INDIA WILL BE CHANGED FOREVER

    2.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan

    Outlook magazine reported that Nirad Chaudhari was a British spy. People on Vindo Sharma’s blog were speculating that you left blogging after you got this info.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Vinoo, perhaps it has escaped your attention , I had replied to you when you raided this question in Zia ’s previous blog on the down turn of indian economy. Anyway here you have it again

    inoo have you heard of any indian spying for pakistan hanging the
    portrait of jinnah in his home. same here , nirad dick head did not make
    any bones about his mesmerisation with the racist scum churchill and in
    his book “the continent of circe , he unashamedly claims to have
    redidcovered his european roots through his aryan ancestry. So there you
    have it. after reading Madhushree Mukherjee’s book i now rate nirad as a
    buffoon, then nirad moron was a history graduate , and madhushree is a
    phd in physics form newyork uni, and used to be on the editorial board
    of Scientific American. It is like comparing nirad ambassador car with
    madhushree porsche carrera
    As regards his getting a job after sarat bose was arrested, this was a job of a clerk, hardly a high ranking job. Do remember he came out 1st class first in BA history honours , but had exam phobia (my interpretation) so did not sit for MA. However he had studied French History in FRENCH , from original sources.
    I do not think he was a spy , HE HAD TO ENDURE MASSIVE HARDSHIP and he has recounted that in his book
    I do not come to the blog because of work pressure and have been doing a lot of travelling across europe. If interested let me know , I will relate my life enriching experiences

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    Anonymous Reply:

    come to vindo sharma’s blog. Lot of people talk about your there

    vijay ! Reply:

    Shan remember your passionate espousal of the “giant” called
    Nirad Chaudhary. I always told you he was a Brit agent out to tell INdia that you cold never beceome as good as the whites.

    Is it not correct now…?

  • Anonymous

    A lot of happiness comes from ignorance. The people of North Korea are very happy because they are insulated form the rest of the world and they believe that their dictator is God. The suicde bombing youth of Pakistan go to jannat with a smile.

    Real happiness only comes when you can be rich, free and not bound by dctats of religious zombies.

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  • engrich

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    Professor John Esposito

    PROF. JOHN ESPOSITO ON U.S. AND ISLAMOPHOBIA

    By Ece Koc

    Professor John Esposito, the outspoken inter-faith promoter
    was recently on A9 TV’s Building Bridges show. Esposito, offered his
    views on many subjects including US media’s way handling news about
    Islam, the ways to cope radicalism and the notorious Regensburg Speech
    of Pope.

    Esposito is a figure known for his strong views in favor of
    building ties with the Islamic world, especially after 9/11, when many
    people thought otherwise. From time to time, he became such a
    controversial figure, many people accused him of downplaying the threat
    of terrorism. He, however, seems unabated by all this criticism, and is
    gaining more and more popularity now. Esposito most recently appeared on
    A9 TV of Istanbul, a television channel known for its efforts to
    promote peace in the world. So when the hosts asked him about how Islam
    is covered in the mainstream US media, Esposito had lots to say:

    “…two-thirds of that will be about mainstream Judaism and
    Christianity, practices, relations, good news and then maybe one-third
    will deal with problems and issues, okay? The reverse is true in
    covering Islam and Muslims in general; that is a disproportionate amount
    deals with what I would call the explosive headline events, the
    conflict events. What you see is this kind of Islamophobic, or bias to
    Islam in regard to a religion, has become part of our mainstream
    politics; in other words, its mainstream politicians. And then there are
    your militant Christian Zionist preachers, many of which have
    megachurches or are televangelists who have large TV followings, or are
    talking heads in the media and again, politicians and others, so that
    not only impacts and affects, if you will, not only Muslims
    domestically, but it falso impacts American foreign policy.”

    He feels that the way most of the time Islam is portrayed is unfair,
    and anyone could have applied the same approach to Judaism and
    Christianity, too, if they wanted: “The way you feel about Muslims,
    the way you think about Muslims, if you don’t make the kind of
    distinctions that I’m talking about the vast majority of Muslims and
    Islamists, and Islam as a religion of peace, then you have a problem. It
    would be the same, analogously, if you say, “Look, if you look at the
    early history and down through the centuries, Christianity was not a
    religion of saints but a religion of warriors” and was often used to
    spread the religion, from the conquistadors to European imperialism, and
    even the logic of a good deal of American neo-colonialism in terms of
    Christians see as opening up the Muslim world to greater conversions,
    and if you take into consideration pedophilia and see Christianity or
    Roman Catholicism and see it through that, you would be seeing it
    through a very distorted lens.”

    Esposito also feels very strongly against Islamophobia and indeed he
    has been very frequently targeted himself by Islamophobists as well: “And
    I think the thing that you want to keep in mind too is that the
    situation gets ratcheted up exponentially because we have so many
    mean-spirited, right-wing Islamophobic websites; so for example, if an
    article appears criticizing me, in a matter of days that will be picked
    up and appear in a dozen different versions and appear in all these
    other websites, and your average American, many of them wind up looking
    at these websites. Many of them have titles, it’s not just the websites
    like “JihadWatch”, it’s the websites that have titles that seem nice and
    innocuous, websites like “American Thinker” “Family Security”, and so I
    think that’s what ratchets that up exponentially.”

    We are swimming against the tide

    Esposito also mentioned that especially after 9/11, the Islamophobists had the opportunity to cash in the fears of people:

    “On those websites, it is simply said in general that Muslims are a
    problem, that Muslims are a threat to security, that Islam is a
    problem. Therefore, if there’s an attack made, other websites pick this
    up because they all cross-fertilize themselves and over a ten-year
    period, over forty million dollars was given by acceptable foundations
    to these kind of websites and their creators and many of these folks are
    quoted as the terrorists affect them; the Norwegian terrorist, Breivik,
    quoted these folks extensively, and on the other hand, on page 66,
    there’s a page attacking me and my center for our work. So that’s where
    we’re at. The whole point is that you’re doing, what so many of us do,
    is very important because we are swimming against the tide, as it were,
    in terms of popular culture and a distorted conventional wisdom.”

    When asked about his views on how to combat radicalism, he had one answer: ‘education’. Esposito elaborates: “I
    think the first thing, the most important thing frankly is education.
    And also it becomes very important to get religious leaders on board.
    You know, one of the difficult thing, and here I have to be quite frank,
    I admire the way that religion and religious education and Islamic
    reform is being done by a number of Turks, both in government and
    non-government. The thing is, yes we can get to a point where we get
    very senior religious leaders, the real impact comes when those senior
    religious leaders make sure that the priests, rabbis and imams are
    trained in their religious schools to have that pluralistic, tolerant
    outlook because they are the people who impact the local communities.
    They impact the families of the people who are going to be parents, they
    impact the kids who are going to the mosques, synagogues and churches.
    All of this is very important.

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  • Faulitics

    Well, Zia has done something which he has never done before. That is NOT whine about Muslims being “victims”. But I am sure he will be back to his old communal game. This is just a respite.

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  • vijay !

    BUT WHY SHOULD U COMPARE US TO BANGLADESH?

    THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE

    VARIOUS Islamist groups in Bangladesh are demanding that a new anti-blasphemy law be formulated under which the death penalty can be awarded to those who defame Islam and the Prophet (PBUH).

    It has been rejected by Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina. Nevertheless, the demand and the scale of the emotion and controversy it has stirred up serve to deepen political polarisation in the country. There is little doubt that the end result will be an intensification of the divide between secularists and Islamists.

    In a fresh wave of protests launched by the Islamist group Hefajat-i-Islam (‘protecting Islam’) against bloggers that they consider anti-Islam, hundreds of thousands of people held rallies in Dhaka and other cities and towns across the country.

    They criticised the Awami League government for not taking severe action against those who, in the recent past, augmented their purportedly anti-Islam activities through online social networks and blogs.

    Islamist groups are adamant in their demand and say that they are committed to sustaining their pressure on the government to formulate laws which can award the death penalty to those found guilty of insulting Islam.

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  • Zeb

    Bose sb. Must appreciate your ability to misconstrue something to this level. The Islamic prophet himself made reconciliations between Muslims and Jews. He wanted us to stay together. Muslims love Moses and Jesus as much as they love Muhammad (Peace be upon them).

    Read: http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/2003/04/Why-Muslims-Love-Moses.aspx

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Same prophet ordered killing of jews when it suited him. That is what is called Taqiyya.

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    Zeb Reply:

    There’s only one taqiyya I know of and that I use to sleep at night! I have got two! Wanna hop on?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Unlike your prophet, I sleep only with adult females.

    Zeb Reply:

    Well, that says a lot about who you are! Promiscuous ****!

    Sumit Bose Reply:

    Zeb, what type of “****” is one who sleeps with 4 women or better still, the historical person who slept with 16 women and 1 9 year old child, besides several undocumented sex-slaves?

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are being disrespectful to your lusty Prophet.

    RAVI Reply:

    does that include ur mother as well.

    Anonymous Reply:

    May be in your Islam one sleeps with mother..That’s your culture not ours.

    RAVI Reply:

    butchers(qasai) of kanpur are no.1 laundebaaz.may be u have bad experience of them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    OK..now that too is Mohammad’s territory..Caliph Omar Mohd. ki g@@nd marta tha.

    akb Reply:

    both ur point is lie.

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    Zeb many thanks for the adjective, I shall convey that adjective to my mother! I am constrained to put you in the “ghatiya Taqqiyaa” band, not because of the accident of your birth, but in your option to willfully bandy deception.
    Firstly, the “most exalted human being ever” personally lead the attacks and massacres of these Jewish tribes, Banu Qurayza, Bani Nadeer and Bani Al Mutalaq. All males of these tribes were slaughtered well into nightfall. The same night the “most exalted human ever” took as his booty (among materials and goods) the just widowed women of the head of the tribes and they are respectively: Rayhanna (orphan of the chief), Safiya Bint Huyar (just widowed) and Juwaiyria Bint Alawi (just widowed).

    As a Taqqiyya you would certainly concur with the apologists that he married/made sex-slaves because he “made reconciliations” with the Jews.
    However, the fact is so recorded by the chroniclers of the “most exalted human ever” with abundant glee and pride. This certainly would not be put out today, as it would be construed a brutal war crime, but to the mind-set of the !slam, these are recorded with pride as “achievements” of the “most exalted human ever”.
    Suffice it to say, what was started out was totally completed by Caliph Umer’s reign, when all Jews were massacred or made to flee from the Arabian Peninsula. That is a unique record of “reconciliation”, for you to ponder over!

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    Swaroop Mitra Reply:

    BoseDa, wonderful detail! And its Deja Vous all over again! The newly created Islamic Republic of Pakistan is on record for something on track! Hindus there have ceased to figure as any statistical entity, and the Bengali converts are not behind too, from slightly over 40% to less than 10% as of now; but we all know that the “reconciliations” are in progress, till they are able to “emulate” the glorious example set for this group of converts.

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    Zeb Reply:

    I didnt know there is a whole internet brigade who excel in the ability to misconstrue facts and present them to the public.

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @Zeb you have all the time to meet the “historical facts” i have put forth, and i would be delighted if you could correct the facts quoted straight from the H@diths.I welcome you to factually “debunk” my “facts”.
    Quite obviously, you are more content to shoot the messenger as you are empty on facts. Does there exist any basis for any exchange, as we are on two very different levels. Please marshal your facts and then we can have a healthy debate.
    That precisely is the wall that all the converts put up, midgets on facts and giants in the spin-zone, and ever so prone to dive for cover behind the veil of “hurt sentiments”.

    Rana Bhoumick Reply:

    Zeb, you cutlets will always be in denial mode, the translation is wrong, the context is wrong, etc etc, but the necr0phile, ped0phile, mass-murderer, torturer, slave -merchant will always be the”most perfect human ever”!

    Zeb Reply:

    Cutlets! You make me laugh out loud! Lots of love Rana.

  • Anonymous

    sumit bose , you are unneccessarily harsh on zia , and just trying to pick up a fight. This is his least controversial write up , and there is nothing but to praise Miss Miller. The surname however points to scottish , albeit jewish parentage. The scottish bit is the clue why she is left leaning. But zia is foolhardy in assumimg one miss miller and the chant of gandhi will bring peace.surrender of jerusalem and half of westbank to jews will only placate the israelis.
    ONLY USA CAN RAM ROD A PEACE DOWN THE THROAT OF ISRAELIS
    But then there is JEWISH LOBBY IN USA to get past , And that is a 1000 ton guerilla in the room.
    Though common sense dictates israel has everything to gain from peace

    ALL THE CONTRACTS IN MIDDLE EAST WILL GO TO ISRAEL
    Then think who are the greatest benefeciary of this conflict and the THREAT OF ISRAEL
    Anglo Saxons to be precise , else HOW CAN YOU HAVE A AL YAMAHA 40 BIILION POUND(yes pound not dollars) arms sale to SAUDI

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    haka Reply:

    who gains from no peace between indian and pakistan. Even iisreal becomes the broker in selling American weapons. Multiple blocks, same goal, to swindle nations of Asia and Africas.

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    Abu Ahmed Reply:

    The Rothschilds do not have a presence in Iran – if Iran’s regime is changed, that will allow a whole lot of MNCs entry into it, apart from the Rothschilds (who were the real owners of the East India Co.). So one finds the sole super power along with his poodles going after Iran, of course for stopping nuclear weapons production in that country. From WMD to WND – the area would be rendered wide open for all MNCs along with Christian missionaries to work there in full force. History cannot be stopped from being made, I am afraid, we may only delay it for some time. Who lands first from the sea / space: colonial capitalist or christian missionary? israel is an extension of the West’s contain Islam and Arabs policy in the middle east; things will settle down there when the bankers / arms producers want them to.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    but rather than blame the west WHY DONT THE MUSLIMS DO SOME SOUL SEARCHING, why they are at the MERCY of the west , because they are SHIT , and why they are shit , because they cling on to a DOGMA and even worse on a hearsay written 1000 yrs after the actual incidence(read hadith)
    MUSLIMS DID THE SAME TO INDIA AS WEST IS DOING TO MUSLIMS.
    Scientific knowledge is THE ONLY KNOWLEDGE, the rest written 1600 , 2000 , or 5000yrs ago are all BUNKUM

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    engrich Reply:

    MUSLIMS DID THE SAME TO INDIA AS WEST IS DOING TO MUSLIMS

    shan u are fool and will remain foolish.when britishers took power level of literacy in india was 93%our gdp was 35%.
    bengalee british reduced gdp from 35%to 1 %and literacy from 93% to 7 %.
    all beautifull cities from murshidabad to ahmedabad were built by them8000 kilometers GT ROAD to irrigation was their gift to india.
    u foolish bengalees were cleaning their shoes to get clerical job in their shipping companies.

    aurangzeb was ruling on 25%of world .we were superpower.turkey was superpower of 14th centuryfrom austia to india.
    taimur conquered 6 subcontinent and 68 countries.
    u achievement is nothing except hiding wealth in temples.starving india and spoil ecology of india.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks for the nice joke

    engrich Reply:

    challenge if u have doubt.ibn sina was father of medicine.

  • Anonymous

    “In Israel, women couldn’t be combat pilots, he said, quite simply, because they were women. Therefore, Miller had better stayed home.”

    Looks like muslim countries allow women to be pilot.

    By the way this MUSLIM has cleverly skipped Boston bombing episode. A clear case of closet Jihadi.

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  • raka

    Desi kheey dushmaan haar jagaha fheeel gaya hein with dual agenda. Khoi jagaha naaheey choodeey and has even enrolled india kheey converts as their doost.

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    ranks Reply:

    bakri kheey khaal mein bhediya haar jagaha.

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  • Roy

    It would be better for Zia Haq to worry about women in Islam…what a joker, Israel knows how to protect itself.

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    Zeb Reply:

    Zia must be worried about “women” in Islam. Muslims take good care of their women. Except those radicalized a##holes. Those are the ones who are making a bad name for Muslims.

    Islam has always been about respecting your women and treating them well. It’s their faux followers who have gone astray though!

    Peace.

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    Faulitics Reply:

    Zeb, I wish what you are saying is true. But it’s actually more than a few radical a##holes and they control these societies which label themselves as “Islamic”. You should not have a very rosy and idealistic view about islam without seeing how its practiced in reality. Read this article from slate
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/quora/2012/10/22/is_islam_misogynistic.html

    The first step in reform is to understand that the ideology has serious problems.

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    Zeb Reply:

    Roy. They control these societies because it lacks great leaderships. The educated ones do not try their hands at politics letting the uneducated ones become leaders. Take for example the MLA of a Muslim locality in New Delhi. To me, he seems to be one of the most illiterate politicians of our country! And then there’s overall lack of interest in acquiring education in the Muslim society. That’s double whammy! When you do not have quality education, you cant have quality jobs. That says a lot about the present condition of most of the Muslim societies.

    They are trying to regain the lost ground but it will take some time before they come at par with other progressive societies. Probably a few more whammies.

    As for the ideology, I’m dam’n sure it’s about peace. The facts they talk about are all misconstrued. True Islam is all about peace. What these radicals practice is not Islam. They are faux followers and do not truly represent it.

    And dont make me for another adamant follower. I’m a spiritually irreligious Muslim. I connect to God sans the irrational religious dogmas.

    I’m open to inter-faith discussions. I need to find the truth. And truth begins with peace. But what I’m experiencing here is some very derogatory talks!

    Rana Bhoumick Reply:

    Zeb, ignorance is always bliss and to get out of that “blissful” state, if you attach any “value” to your education, then get to Ali Sina’s site called faithfreedom dot org and get a honest read straight from the “terror manual and the incriminating H@dhiths, if you bear any degree of honesty within you, you will never ever state that bloomer you have made “True Islam is all about peace”. It has always been a terror manual, devoid of any concept of Universal brotherhood.

    Zeb Reply:

    Love you both, Rana and Relay. May God brings peace to you and all of us!

    Relay Reply:

    Hi Zeb, You sound like a nice person, but u r walking into a Islamic booby trap. You are trying to defend the indefensible and once you are on this track, the only progress will be to self destruct like to the two guys who did the Boston bombing ( and like thousands of others). Let me tell you I am no enemy of Muslims. Islam is proving to be clearly an ideology that is hate filled and destructive, you can see it world over.

    Sad fact is as more muslim men become hardcore religious, the more they are likely to cause hate and destruction. That is repeating again and again world over, in every terrorist attack, the perpetrators are highly religious. Not surprising that their violence can be directly co-related to the Islamic inspired ideology.

    My 2 cent advise to you, get away as far as possible from this islamic ideology, it will do no good in any way. You can be an atheist or choose any other means of reaching out to god (and spirituality), that will make you live in peace with out having to defend evil ( and all the pain that you go through in doing so). your next generation will be thankful you made the right decision. A well wisher.

  • Faulitics

    Forget about flying. Woman in some islamist societies can’t even drive. Zia will not write about that even though he says he is a “Muslim affairs” writer. Woman are treated like chattel in most Islamist societies but Zia may e considers that as “Muslim internal affairs”. He has to focus on Jews, who the Arabs have taught him to hate through their poison ideology masquerading as a religion.

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    whistling budhha Reply:

    good point . writer must make notice

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  • Anonymous

    I hope she succeeds!

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    engrich Reply:

    she is spy

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    engrich Reply:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u4btaTaj90&feature=youtu.be

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  • engrich

    Former Dutch
    Islamophobe and a former leading member of far-right Dutch politician
    Geert Wilders’ party Arnoud Van Doorn visited the Prophet’s Mosque in
    Madinah to pray and say sorry for becoming part of a blasphemous
    film. Doorn was among the Freedom Party leaders who produced the
    blasphemous film, Fitna. Last month he reverted to Islam after an
    extensive study about the religion and the Prophet (peace be upon him).
    He said that the worldwide outrage against the film made him study about
    the Prophet (pbuh) and that eventually led to his conversion.

    He headed for Makkah
    to perform Umrah after meeting the two imams of the Prophet’s Mosque,
    Sheikh Ali Al-Hudaifi and Sheikh Salah Al-Badar, who enlightened him on
    how to lead the life of a good Muslim and confront challenges facing
    Islam in the West. A member of the Dutch parliament and The Hague City
    Council, Doorn announced his decision to accept Islam on his Twitter
    profile. He also posted a tweet in Arabic declaring that “there is no
    god but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet.”

    At first, other users took the news as a joke. After all, an active
    supporter of a notorious Dutch hater of Islam, Wilders, he repeatedly
    approved Islamophobic statements and public actions, and personally
    participated in them. But Doorn, who now serves as a regional adviser
    at the City Hall in The Hague, personally confirmed his decision to
    practice Islam in an official letter to the city mayor. Most recently,
    the politician filed a formal application to the mayor of the city to
    allow him to perform prayers obligatory for Muslims during his working
    hours.

    “I can understand people are skeptic, especially that it is
    unexpected for many of them,” Doorn told Al-Jazeera English satellite
    channel. “This is a very big decision, which I have not taken
    lightly.” “In my own close circle people have known that I have been
    actively researching the Qur’an, Hadith, Sunnah and other writings for
    almost a year now,” he said. “In addition, I have had numerous
    conversations with Muslims about the religion.” Driven by his party’s
    anti-Islam discourse, Doorn decided to dig in for the truth about the
    religion himself.

    “I have heard so many negative stories about Islam, but I am not a
    person who follows opinions of others without doing my own research,” he
    said. “Therefore, I have actually started to deepen my knowledge of
    Islam out of curiosity.” The 46-year-old has continued on The Hague
    Council as an independent candidate since splitting from Wilders’s
    party. Doorn’s decision to embrace Islam has won mixed reactions in the
    Netherlands.

    “According to some
    people I am a traitor, but according to most others I have actually made
    a very good decision,” he told Al-Jazeera. “The reactions are generally
    positive and I also received quite some support via twitter. It feels
    good that people who do not know me personally have understanding of my
    situation and support me in my choice.”

    Asked if he now regretted joining the Freedom Party, he replied: “I
    have learned that every experience in life has a purpose. However, with
    the knowledge I have today, I would have undoubtedly made a different
    choice.” For the Dutch politician, finding Islam was finally guiding him
    to the true path in his life. “I have made mistakes in life as many
    others. From these mistakes I have learned a lot,” Doorn said.

    “And by my conversion to Islam I have the feeling that I finally
    found my path. I realize that this is a new start and that I still have
    much to learn as we

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    Engrich Mian, Doorn has done immense good to two communities at one stroke; he has increased the IQ levels of both the Christian and the Moslem communities and he has to be congratulated for that feat!

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    engrich Reply:

    muslims are not jahil like hindus.they have produced best scientis in the past.read ibn sina ,ibn rushd.except budhhdists u vedics has contributed nothing to humanity.

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    Engrich Mian, you dont have to go too far, just look out of your window if you are living in any of the Mini-Pakistans in any Indian city and you will realize without any prompting, and get a very fair over-view of the great levels of education and sophistication of your band of converts. Wish you all had some integrity and had followed your voting for the creation of Pakistan and had packed and left for that na-Pakistan. You just stay back and spit on the same plate that you eat. You are truly shameless.

    guest Reply:

    .“Hindu India” we find no difference between the words and actions of
    gandhians, marxists, Hindu terrorists, Dalal Street Dagalbajis.
    Everything in India is created, promoted and sold for the benefit of the certai class of people

    Raj Nath Reply:

    K2e dont like it, then do us all, including yourself, a great favour and fcuk off to that ****-house named naPakistan, made by and for filthy and dirty converts as you.

    engrich Reply:

    most of the muslim run countries literacy is 90%plus.we have largest number of illetrate in the world

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  • engrich

    picture of durga was brought from shanghai whom u worship as god.

    brhmno ka indians ko chutia bana ke lootney kee kala ko hinduism kahte hain.u were *** lickers and boot polishers of britishers who starved to death half the population of bengal bihar and orrisa

    tell me one achievement of vedic rule in india.

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  • engrich

    What Brahminism did to India?

    Destroyed democracy in India

    Removed equality for women

    Prevented Philosophy and Science from developing.

    Divided people from socializing.

    Made life a misery to most of the population

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I guess you are talking about Islam.

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    engrich Reply:

    see present india

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, it is based on present India where muslims have polluted the liberal culture.

    engrich Reply:

    i think u are talking about butchers of kanpur.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Some butchers who follow arabic traditions live in Kanpur..many were butchered in 1992.

  • suresh kumar

    Is your friendship with Isrealis conditional to whether they love Palestine?

    In that case how many friends in Kashmir and Pakistan do you have who love India? SHould you not shun all the Kashmiris and Pakistanis who don;t want a strong united India?

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  • Abhi

    “An aspect of Israel that goes largely unnoticed is that the fiercest
    critics of its policies are Israelis themselves. Alice Miller is one
    such Israeli”.
    Wish it were the same for the community to which Zia belongs.

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