Folk Tales

[...] Folk Tales : Download Central By Sanjoy Narayan … that at that time I was already swaying more toward songs like Happiness Is A Warm Gun (The Beatles, The White Album), Sister Morphine (The Rolling Stones, Sticky Fingers), Kosmik Debris (Frank Zappa, Apostrophe) and their ilk. … Download Central – http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/download-central/ [...]

Sir,
I read your column everyday and I’m a huge fan, But I’d like you to cover my favourite band U2 the coming edition of Brunch. i don’t know what in them but I’ve been listening them to more than 2 years and I still can’t switch over to any other artist.
Hope you’ll do that.

U2 rules !!!

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Hi Sanjoy,

I’ve been a huge fan of download central and thanks to you, I’ve started listening to tons of bands whose existence I didn’t even know off. Could you cover some more Indie bands. Also would like to have your take on Indian folk-rock bands like Indian Ocean, Swarathma, Raghu Dixit Project, etc.

Cheers,
~ madinindia

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Hi Sanjoy,

I enjoyed the article. I think you are doing a great job at Download Central – I for one have got hooked to NPR.

Having grown up in Calcutta as well, I always had an avid dislike for the way the Reds claimed everything that was Seeger to be their own, so much so that kids like us couldnt get tickets to his performance when he came down to Calcutta. That led me to avoid Seeger’s music for a long time. But when I finally heard him properly, I realised what I had been missing.
Arlo Guthrie has also been a favorite, right from the time I heard the Woodstock tapes for the first time – especially “Coming into Los Angeles” and his version of “Shenandoah” (incidentally, I heard another great great version of the song by Charlie Haden on the Charlie Haden Friends and Family Album). BTW, this Charlie Haden album is a must listen – some amazing songs, with Pat Metheny playing the guitar.
I’ve quite liked the album “Castaways…” by The Decemberists, but somehow didnt like it enough to look for other albums. However shall check out their live performance.

Thanks for NPR, again – have discovered an amazing old Brazillian artist, Arthur Verocai. I greatly enjoy Brazillian music and artists, although I dont understand the words But thats what good music is about, I guess!!

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Hi!
I enjoyed reading your piece on the Newport Folk Festival this weekend, especially about Pete Seeger. I was introduced to Seeger’s songs ‘Little boxes’ (which is now a Maruti ad) and ‘We shall overcome’ way back in school. It was a pleasure listening to those numbers again this weekend after almost two decades, thanks to your column.
I was wondering if you could enlighten my generation about Slim Dusty and Doc Watson and provide links to their albums through your column?
Thanks and regards,
Vandana

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My intro to Woody and Arlo was an early Woodstock showcasing on Channel V (When they played good music). Gotta love Arlo and his hi-performance set!

However, I wonder how exactly the genre gets ring-fenced? I think Grateful Dead contains nuances that would be classified Folk, as does CSNY. I don’t know if James Taylor and Tim Buckley get categorised into ‘folk’ or ’singer-songwriter’. There’s a really marginal difference in the two genres where those two gentlemen were considered.

I’m also curious to know more about British Folk Music!

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Sanjoy, I have for quite a few years been searching for an album called Pete Seeger Live in Kolkata (or something like that), issued at some point in the 21st century by an organization called Chintan. Any idea where it might be available?

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SA wrote: “Question today is which party can give good governance in UP?” Unfortunately, good governance is not a priority for any of the political parties in UP where they exploit religion and caste affiliations to divide and mobilize voters. Things have gotten so bad that the venality of candidates is generally not enough to disqualify them from running for office. An ex-IAS officer of the UP cadre, Mr. P.L. Punia is a classic example. He was known as an acolyte of Mayawati during her earlier reign and her Mr moneybags. Any impartial investigation into his assets under the Prevention of Corruption Act would land this man behind bars. Instead, he trots around as a leader of the Scheduled Castes by the Congress and nobody thinks to inquire into his background. This lack of alternatives is the problem that is eating into the vitals of Indian democracy. Just because he has won an election, we are supposed to respect people like him. Anna Hazare’s movement has launched a bold experiment to intervene in this process as veto players where they vet candidates based on their position on the Lok Pal bill like pressure groups in the US. For example, the Americans for Tax Reform has ensured that most Republicans running for elective office sign a pledge not to raise taxes. This is just the beginning.

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“Somehow I fear or feel that Team Anna has shown unwarranted haste in taking a plunge into the political arena, even though their aim may have been to mobilise public opinion in favour of Jan Lokpal Bill.”

To me it sounds like you are saying team Anna has done the wrong thing by taking PANGA with dictatorial Congress. I agree. Congress will go to any extent to protect its vote bank..It can tolerate anything but can not tolerate dent to vote bank. Anna may be lathicharged by congress soon.

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Congress is going to win Hissar bu hook or by crook. The crooks will manipulate the elections and declare V so that Anna learns a lesson. Congress is a party of crooks . They are using Sonia and rahul after Sonia. The Crook party is going to win.

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The main problem that the minorities endure since Independance is that all secular politicians “pander to their sentiments”, without doing anything concrete as a solution to their various other problems. Digvijay’s is a classic example – he was closer to PV Narasimha Rao who in turn was closer to the RSS and Digvijay played a greater role between the RSS and PVNR during the Babri fiasco – and yet Digvijay is further vitiating the atmosphere by constantly speaking out against the RSS, without the Congress doing anything worthwhile for the Muslims of India. Fraud-secularists these, rather than pseudo-secularists.

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we pursue money as spirtual goal.i exercise my right and my freedom by demanding the balance of the monetary transaction.hpwever credit-cards have eleminated the need-area of demanding balance.my gut feeling is volume of festivity accelerated spending will be low in india i have started questioning whether our way of celebrating dewali is right.what a noble way of celebrating dewali by arranging gifs for underprivilege.

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WILL SUNITA AARON ,DO ASTUDY TO FIND OUT HOW DIWALI WAS CELEBRATED IN AREAS OF MAHRASTRA WHERE THOUSAND KID DIES OF MALNUTRITION.THE PICTURE AS A NATION IS NO BETTER THAN SOMALIA.
BUT TODAYS JOURNALISM IS TO PLEASE THE MASTERS.

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One of the now manifest cultural impact of Islam on Upper Caste Hindus is that the latter are now more ready to spend on the Dalits and the down-trodden, at least during festivals.

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When the earning is limitless who cares for receipt ? It’s all due to the fact that materialism is at its peak.

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The majority is busy to make his or her own Diwali happy but true satisfaction is always there when we make someone else happy by our support,help or charity.

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Anna or no Anna, Bandra-East Cabbies do not ply anyone short-distance.
Nirmala SeethRaman does a better job than Manish Tiwari

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Bittu Stores? I haven’t seen it, Sunila.

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Hi Kushal!

You should write that book…even if it is a collection of your blog posts….you write so well. Series of essays, posts, ramblings, musings – they’ll make a wonderful, wondeful book!

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It’ll more likely be Hong Kong, Akhilesh.It was on a trip to HK in 2004 from deadly dry Delhi that I realised how much I loved the sea.

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Sanghvi as usual is playing apologist for Congress. He is shifting all blame on DMK giving clean chit to Sonia and Rahul. What makes him think that Sonia and Rahul did not make money out of 2G scam?

Congress is also involved in CWG scams..Now Sanghvi will hold only Kalmadi responsible for this.

MMS may be an honest man but he has enabled corruption so that his bosses can make money.

The journos like Sanghvi can not defend congress shamelessly anymore. We still remember Radia tapes.

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That is what ‘empresses’ are for.

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@ Vir Sanghvi

Dr Manmohan Singh would have continued to rule well… but the advent of CHotta baba and his guru, Digvinash singh, made to Congress insult MMS to make Chotta baba look good.

In the end, the COngress looks like a third rate party willing to sell everything for votes. It makes fun of the policemen in the Batla house encounter, is willing to follow the Jinnah agenda to win elections in UP and calls Bin Laden “Osmaji.”

It deserves a kcik in the rump — whihc we will all give.

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Excellent analysis, write and read. And the truth of the matter.

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The calculations of the UPA govt were quite simple: Let Raja make money for his bosses. Eventually he would be cuaght in the web and his crimes exposed. Judicial process would get rolling, licenses would be cancelled. This would lead to making auction of all natural resources to the the highest bidder a policy issue. Auctioning of 2G spectrum would recover all the losses and more for the UPA, thereby enriching the govt’s coffers. If not a moral, it will be legally clean and the finances of the country would improve. So, the UPA saved itself all these years, allowed Raja & DMK to be made the scape-goat (after all DMK got the lion’s share), and in the next elections it would be able to face the public with less tar and lesser fear of the voter. DMK alone is the Faustus which had paid the price already, UPA is setting the record and the budget straight after all and would come up trumps, despite Sangh Parivaar’s machinations

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Balwant

I totally agree with you

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Yep, you get it, Parmanu. Grin.

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There was a suggestion on Twitter long ago. I forgot the name of the person, but here it is (paraphrased):

Instead of boycotting the Olympics, Indians should turn up at the Olympics, win medals, and refuse to accept them.

Succinct and effective.

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This pathetic **** who calls himself Iyer or watever his mother told him must be shamed first. Pathetic **** or **** brit as you may be, Indians are going to crush you very soon. Get out of commenting from here you worthless piece of shite.

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Who cares for Indian. They are bunch of arrogant, just like Vir. A country where 60% of population deficate outside in the open, where 42% of the children are malnourished, where almost all politicians are corrupt, where 250 women dies during pregannacy of every 100 000 birth, where 80% live with income less than 80 Rs a day, who will take it seriously. Grow up India.

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Maybe Vir can get his pal Niira Radia to run the Shame campaign. They certainly have enough practice!

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ahem – why not collect 7 million pounds from each major donor and give it to the Bhopal victims? that would certainly help them. shaming Dow may or may not do anything.

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Pakis cares where we are headed!!!

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By any paranoid assessment inheritors of legacy of Rajiv Gandhi & Arjun Singh who were directly connected to escape of Union Carbide chief from dragnet of Indian laws can be assigned the responsibility to be held responsible for the misdeed of their predecessors.
Similarly now even ex chief Union Carbide is squarely & specifically responsible for all liabilities after Bhopal gas leak tragedy & not at all DOW which is being dragged to divert attention from Rajiv Gandhi & Arjun Singh.

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Ridiculous and senseless article by Vir. It was the Indian Govt. of the day which agreed to the compensation package from Union Carbide. Only after everything was settled, Dow agreed to buy Union Carbide. Dude, you should brush up your history!

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Yes India must stand up ,if it can. But we need a strong and straight spine for that.

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[The general view in the Congress, I am told, is that Khurshid’s utterances while wooing Muslim voters in UP led to a “ c o m m u n a l i z a t i o n ” of the party’s electioneering platform and this hurt the party.]

Yes, he missed the under laying message that ” c o m m u n a l i z a t i o n of society is ok but not the “platform” that pays dividends and brings long term benefit.

Salman’s decisions are indeed short sighted, although, there is not much difference between what he wants and his party man/women want. Poor Salman! He should have grown up a bit!

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Good place to write a biased article, just show your loyalties.

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A leader committed to the all-round growth of India and all Indians is any day my leader, regardless of his/her name or religion.

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Salman Khurshid’s problem is that he is too much UP-centric to wear a pan-Indian Muslim leader tag. If he wishes to lay claim over leadership of Muslims, he will have to at least visit central India, like Hyderabad, once in a while and also go to bangaluru, chennai, mallapuram – apart from Guwahati and Ahmedabad (if he is daring enough) and make himself aware of the Muslim issues there. Unfortunately, all these so-called Muslim leaders, either of the Congress or of the SP, cannot see beyond UP and are hampered with their frog’s-view and yet want party, people and country to accept them as great Muslim leaders – that is why they fail. That is why the Congress too have failed in UP – u cannot allow Narender Modi to continue in Gujarat while claiming to be a secular party.

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@ Abu, Your emotional rant flies in the face of logic.
Ethnic ( rather religious) cleansing has been aggressively persued by Islamic societes. Just look at the census figures of Turkey, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iraq Egypt, Iran, ndonesia, Malaysia etc etc. That brutal record should silence you, even if you are totally blank on the religious cleansing carried out so throughly in the Kashmir valley just 2 decades ago. But you rave and rant. The real reason, is that Hindus in Gujarat had collectively decided that they would not tolerate any more provocations from one paricularly nasty community.

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You rant against Modis massacre but you are quiet about a hundred times bigger massacre of nonmuslims in Kashmir. Shows that you are just another communal muslim. People have figured out now that Muslims are very different because the forces of arabization have successfully done their dirty deed on Muslims everywhere. So go on ranting for ummah but not for humanity. No secular person will believe that you are sincere.

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I think we should keep out of this fight and just ensure we get a good oil supply from Iran. I think we are doing a good job bbtw dint Iran allow Pakistan to park their jets in Iranian territory during a previous war !!

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Shan,

A good fitting reply to the writer of this article.

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The pople does not know much about their own religion. It is a fact. Ask them how many Gods they pray, they will be confused to mention any one.
They are very disturb with the ruling not because it will create a approved child marriage plan, but because why the judiciary (they think is for them only) has given a rule favouring even remotely related to Muslim laws.
The problem is they do not know this problem is in whole india among Hindus. Go to Bihar, hindu female child is married at the age of 7-10 and sometime even before, same is the case with Rajasthan where it more evident. MP, UP and many other states follows the same.
So before jumping to any biased conclusion, try to understand that it is not a favour to Mohamedian law by the judiciary. The problem is in the society without being biased accept it and it is more persistant in Hindu society.
Please improve your knowledge before you jump to any conclusion.

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VERY GOOD MY DEAR, CHILD MARRIAGE ABOLISHED AND IT CONTINUES IN BIHAR, RAJASTHAN, YOUR VERY OWN BENGAL, MP, UP AND WITH THE CONSENT OF YOUR SO CALLED LEARNED HINDU HEADS.
THE CAST HEIRACHY IS NOT RECOGNIZED AND THE VERY OTHER DAY I READ A STORY IN THIS SAME PAPAER AS DALIT WAS BEATED TO DEATH BECAUSE HE DARED TO TAKE WATER FROM A WELL WHICH BELONGED TO SOME UPPER CAST (FROM WHERE IT CAME DEAR THE UPPER CAST AND THE LOWER CAST AND THE DALIT). DOWRY IS OUTLAWED AND STILL EVERYDAY EDUCATED PEOPLE LIKE YOU KILLING THEIR WIFES.
GOOD SHOW, KEEP ON IMPROVING YOUR KNOWLEDGE. A LITTE ADVIES WHEN YOU READ SOMETHING KEEP YOUR PREJUIDE OUT OF IT.

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Why do news paper allow this radical cheap writer to publish his filth here in indian democracy who is clearly opposing democracy and want to eastablish radical, terrorist barbaric shriya here, shame on Hindustantimes and this anti national writer. this guy has no shame and no patriotism, such peoples shud be thrown into pak or afghanistan where they can do whatever they want to do in their caves, shame on editor of this news paper, this news paper shud be called musselman times dot com.

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I think you need to expand your brain Mr Zia. Everything written in a book written 1400 years ago cannot be right.

Is the earth round or flat?

Is marriage at 15 desirable?

Will the girl married at 15 complete, college, MBA, Phd?

Why can’t you just say that the book might have been right in the context of the time but is wrong now, instead of weaving a romantic folktale of how fantastic the book is.

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Whatever may be the dictates of the Shariah, educated Muslms, men & women, in the urban areas mostly go by the civil laws. As education spreads amongst Muslims in the rural areas, Shariah would go redundant gradually. More education of the masses is the only answer to make customs, traditions and laws such as Shariah obsolete. Its time consuming but better than imposing something against the collective will of an emotionally charged / poverty-stricken / slum-dwelling / police-harassed / societally oppressed and discriminated, ill-educated mass of Indians.

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No right thinking educated citizen – Hindu, Muslim or whatever religion he or she may belong to, would like the modern law to be based on religious scripts. What gave you the impression that Hindus do not want to give up their personal law? I and all my educated Hindu Friends want to have a law based on humanity and not a ‘personal’ law based on shastras, manu smriti or anything else. Do you think educated Hindus want laws that endorse the caste system, sati, dowry or any of the ills of the society? There may be some who are misguided by religious bigots but do you want to compare educated muslims with those misguided Hindus or with progressive Hindus? You certainly seem to belong to the first category – an educated but illiterate person.

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Mr Zia
You have goen terribly with this blog. Yes they are still HIndu girls being married at 15, but the system is breaking this habit. Hindus are welcomign this change.
Somehow Muslims seem to be welcoming this stupid, retrograde, unfair step of underage marriages.
Musims will now remain conedemned to have the lowest female literacy rate in the world. Of course you will not notice … or mind but call it discrimination

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After reading the article and responses, I m really surprised by intolerance level of readers here. Let freedom of expression prevails and let writers have their say!!!

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Another piece of putrid **** from this “ghatiya Taqqiya”. I wonder why bapuji disagreed with Ambedkar who insisted on total transfer of population along with the division of assets in 1947? We would have been spared of such nonsensical drivel festooned as an article.

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~~~ WHERE ARE THE HUMAN RIGHTS AND WOMEN’S RIGHTS BRIGADE ?
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India needs the best of ideas and laws on human rights and women’s rights.Unfortunately in the past few years– fake human right activists — who only recognize the rights of LeT and Maoists have tried to capture this stage.
Similarly while Indian women need protection from dowry and unfair treatment, certain trolls have created and used these laws, especially the barbarian section 498 to implicate men.But now has come the acid test. Marriage of underage girls AND EVERYONE IS STRANGELY SILENT.let us remember our country that girls were getting married young and and in many states it still happens.

Historically when the life expextancy was 35 in 1947, it was perhaps a logical thing to do.But today the national priorities are different

.a) Population control, which a higher age marriage can achieve

b) Education of girls… which can only happen in case they marry once they complete college .

But… but… but… With the court giving precedence to what is written in a book over what is common sense, the equation has changed. The Muslim girl child will now be denied education, enlightenment, mixing with men ( which all girls I know love to do), seeing the world, the chance of a career. the chance of leading your won life… and so many things..

.And the s called human rights brigade and the women’s rights brigade is silent!!!

The UPA has no balls to rectify this. Who believes that Baby G, Sonia G, Digviansh G or Salman ji want to do anything on this. They would rather tell the muslims that we have killed the constitution for you and held the Sharia to be superior..

.I cry for India today

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Somebody asked about the proof of quoran saying EARTH IS FLAT
Here you have it

Sura Al-Kahf (18:47)

And (remember) the Day We shall cause the mountains to pass
away (like clouds of dust), and you will see the earth as a
levelled plain, and we shall gather them all together so as to
leave not one of them behind.

Sura Taha (20:53)

Who has made earth for you like a bed (spread out); and has
opened roads (ways and paths etc.) for you therein; and has sent
down water (rain) from the sky. And We have brought forth with it
various kinds of vegetation.

Sura Az-Zukhruf (43:10)

Who has made for you the earth like a bed, and has made for you
roads therein, in order that you may find your way.

Sura Az-Zukhruf (43:38)

Till, when (such a one) comes to Us, he says [to his Qarîn
(Satan / devil companion)] “Would that between me and you were the
distance of the two easts (or the east and west)” a worst (type
of) companion (indeed)!

Sura An-Naba (78:6)

Have We not made the earth as a bed,

Sura An-Naziat (79:30)

And after that He spread the earth;

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Be it Military of USA or any other part of the world you will see debates not on any other topic except Islam and there was no word of terror attached to it until US took away USSR’s parallel position of World super power so there remained no country to challenge US so they analysed and concluded that there is only one ideology which remains that is Islam which is a threat to US hegemony and then started the terms Islamic terror,extremism etc…go back before 1990 and u will not find media attacking Islam as much as it did afterwards and who it attacked were themselves characters created by USA be it Osama bin laden or Gadaffi ….as far as Islamic way of life is concerned it will be a failed attempt by western or any other parts to crush it…check which system of economy is flourishing it is Islamic banking…which is the most preferred way to be adopted (converted)by women in west and figures say Islam….if Islam is so irrelevant then how come it is the talk of all the elite….US and its allies are clearly fearing about the fast growing number of muslims in the world…they want to stop but the very means they are using are helping islam…like 9/11 was a cooked up story but it helped 40,000 + American people to understand islam and embrace it…google more on this

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The backward mindset. Denying women equal rights in the name of Islam.

here is a story in the New York TImes.

A breath of fresh air”
http://india.blogs.nytimes.com...

I know about this park. They are two sides of this story. The
orhtodoxy in the Muslims, loved and pampered by the UPA and COngress wont
allow sunlight to fall on the faces of these women.

That is why Salman Khurshid and Baby G will remain silent on the
retrograde step fo marrying Muslim girls at 15 and try to reap some
votes out of it. Even the NMC will keep silent.

So for the women it is some relief and freedom from the cruel burqa.

But on the reverse it speaks volumes of our declining India where
such isolation of women happens in the name of minority special rights.

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This article seems to be based on a “profound” philosophy which goes like this
“retrograde laws in sharia are ok since in reality other religions also practice the same retrograde laws”

What’s conveniently left out is that other religious followers may follow retrograde ways in their personal lives regarding child marriage but their laws do not allow them under the Indian constitution. What zia is suggesting is the institutionalization of retrograde Islamic laws for Muslims in India.

I find it hard to believe that an educated person would take such a stance. It’s totally disgusting.

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I think is another blow to the idea of secular India. This is throwing acid on the foundations of our country. That in the name of minority appeasement, the Government of UPA is willing t sell decency, human rights, women’s rights, children’s rights. It is willing to send girls to, what would qualify as child sex abuse in many countries.

Shame on UPA.

Shame on Zia for forgetting the rights of girls. What is the use of your education zia? What is the use of working for a national daily like HT, when you want to peddle the most fanatic ideas.

SO the idea of getting Seema Chisti and Seema Mustapha in journalism is going to be dead now.

The idea of getting Sania Mirza’s will be over now.

The idea of India is going to be dictated by illiterate goons who claim that all that is good is written in this book and if you disagree we wil kill you.

That before 7th centruy jahils existed on this planet. they were no dinosaurs. There was no religion.

Ho !! Hum!! What trash…

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Anita a lot of things happen in society which are not desirable. however the state has to set guidelines which are exmplary and incentivize its citizenary to follow them. Not by coericon
If you see the state of half the Muslim girls– then this court ruling will give the orthodxy a tool to push them into early marriage, sounding forever the death knell to the possibilty of a good education.

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Author’s extra-effort to somehow defend retrograde Muslim personal laws again proves that even educated Muslims are much more conservative than his an average educated Hindus…Pl note that Hindus never shied away or resisted in reforming his olden wrong traditions viz untouchability, child marraige, sati pratha et al..They did not revolted enmass at a reformist verdict like Shabano case..Agreed, Hindu culture may be lot of discrepancies, but they are ready to reform, whereas even educated Muslims zealously defend burqa system, suppression of women, polygamy, etc etc..

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Mr Bose
I do not hold any brief on behalf of any Muslims, whether they are educated, Nut cases or even if they are ex-president of India.

I do oppose KNEE JERKERS like you, who irrationally react to any thing that has Islam associated with it.

You brought Umma in to the discussion not me, and all I am doing is pointing that we have our own H I N D U Fruit & Nut cases, who hanker after our own Umma which is Ram Rajya.
I guess you have not read very many of our own manuals which are also full of severly objectionable material.

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What are you —a HALF PANT.

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@Tasneem, Please, you have had the benefit of secular education, why dont to exticate your grey cells from the madrassa pits.
Today’s economics has not been invented by an individual but it developed as a science based on the experience of economic dealings and transactions followed by man from time immemorial. It is ridiculous that some Muslim fanatics are toiling to mould that science to accommodate the dictates of an illiterate fellow, who lived in Arabia 1,400 years ago, whose economic wisdom was limited to plundering and looting the wealth and riches of the infidel kafirs. But these stupid Muslim economists are striving hard to establish a nonsensical economic theory that suited the 7th century Arabia. Beside that, these stupid economists are claiming that their nonsensical economic theory is far superior to the conventional 21st century economics. May Allah help them to develop their superior economic theory and lead them to prosperity, without moulding the conventional financial sciences to give Islamic color. Coming to figures that we can account , Isklamic banking thathas its origins onlyabot 25 years ago in Saudi Arabia, it is a total prorpoganda non-issue, only to be screamed about, not to be used for one’s hard earned money.

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If what you are saying about banks not allowing Muslims to open savings account, that’s a crime under Indian anti discrimination laws. You shouldn’t be pleading with the banking manager. You should be reporting him. Are you sure that they were refused accounts because of their religion or because of other legal reasons like not being able show permanent address and such?

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Fools (Arabs) deserve to be fooled. Let’s see how the world treats them when the oil dries up. They will understand their true worth then. Unfortunately for them, they can’t do what their ancestors did under the guidance of Mohammad. That is plunder and loot civilized societies. “liberal Hindu” Ravi, are you sure that you are liberal and Hindu? I wonder why a liberal guy would support 6th century primitive practices from Arabia. Only an arabized would do that.

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“liberal Hindu” Ravi quietly slipped in a lie there hoping that no be will notice. Haha..Hindus don’t fare any better. Really? Really?

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What’s truth got to do with banking ? Honesty maybe but truth? There is nothing philosophical about banking. It’s a business like another enterprise.

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Oh boy. “liberal Hindu” Ravi only has respect for the Arab cult but only hate for his “own” religion. . A very “liberal Hindu” indeed or maybe a practioner of taqqiya against the knave kafirs.

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Wealth … in any concept … including the Islamic concept, means …
“Human effort, translated into printed Paper Promissory Notes” … Since its the most practical, and I agree, for it makes the day to day exchanges, easier to conduct than Barter.

The only conditionality, in Islamic Finance, is, that Wealth should follow the Natural course in a Just Distribution of Wealth, so that “wages of labour” are Justly distributed among the people …

Because … In Islam … The Flow of Wealth, follows Gravity … Thus, Money flows downward … from the top … to the bottom, in an Islamic society …

Whereas … In the Swami’s idea … an Ideal Economy is one, where Wealth [is made to flow] in an un-natural direction against all norms … and made to accumulate in a few hands … then these few hands, must pass it on to the top … like IMF.

The mere renaming of “Interest” … as “Profit” or, the still holier ” Musharika” or “Mudaraba” does not make any Economy, Islamic.
Just as if Swami adopted
the name “Abdul Salam” … it does not make him a Muslim.

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It is also called ethical banking as Islamic banks will not invest in non-ehtical businesses such as liquor factories, lottery industries, casinos etc. It is purely based on human welfare rather selfishness.

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That’s definitely tru in Islamist countries whom you unabashedly admire. “liberal Hindu”? Seriously? What’s liberal about Saudi Arabia or the Arab cult for that matter? Ravi…..

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Hi Pramit! Here’s some more perspective on foreign issues.

http://shovonc.wordpress.com/2012/06/23/rescue-of-baby-mahi-delayed-due-to-rescue-of-europe-says-pm-2/

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Not at all. Islamophobe is a tag for Islamophobes just like you.

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And you are a dyed in saffron Hindu Fundo a RSS dog

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आओ ट्विस्ट करें

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Simple. They are available in every pub in England. You should try them, they are great with a pint of bitter truth, that you are nothing more than a naked Saffron Terrorist.

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This newspaper deserves better writers than Zia Haq. You are already well taken care of by the Italiano’s and let me tell you that You are no Muslim either. If you want to know the “Actual Muslim” sentiments go and visit Gujarat. They will spit on your face because of your idelogy. You are off-the-shelf bought-out writer….Nothing more. Hindus and Muslims can prosper under Modi only and penny collectors like you will be jobless once he comes to power. We patriotic Indians only pray that he be spared the assassination wrath of your Italian Mom’s gang….Jai Hind, Jai Modi.

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India is only the land that hindus have in this whole world, please let us live peacefully . Muslims have already got their share in 1947 kindly leave us alone.

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India is only the land that hindus have in this whole world, please let us live peacefully . Muslims have already got their share in 1947 kindly leave us alone.

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And if you actually want to write about Muslims, write about the one’s who become terrorist, pedophiles (Middle East Muslims who throng to poor Muslim families in India and marry girl as young as 6 year old), Muslim man marrying hindu girls and forcibly converting them to Islam, Hindus forced to convert to Islam in Pakistan, Some Madrassas in India and all in Pakistan who convert humans into human-bombs…..there are a lot more and my spondylytic fingers will be tired typing but people like you will never will raise these topics. Also how Congress has been fooling Muslims of India for last 65 years causing a gradual decline in their social/mental status and alienating them from the mainstream. Zia Beta Please help and save your community somehow. Learn from Modi who has saved Gujarati Muslims and given them a better life and treats them at par with us Hindus. Muslims in Gujarat are the most prosperous in India – Now you will say Dawood Ibrahim is the most prosperous Muslim of India. He is but also see how he became most prosperous?

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Why speculate about the future Prime minister now. Our history has ample examples when dark horses became PMs. It is my request to all the leaders,historians,the media,the political analysts that the need of the hour is to educate the electorate to elect a one party govt in the center like they do it for their respective states to ensure stability of the nation.It will ensure a strong India which can move ahead as a leading nation of the world. Are we not fed up with the coalition central govt in the past 15 years. This a wake up call to all those who love this country.
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agree fully wid har gobind bhukkal……the only one to be blamed for the plight of muslims today is muslim themselves….becoming a vote bank in the hands of the ugliest n oldest indian party congress for small n meagre short term gain has only increased the plight muslims face..n lot of these blame should also be taken by both electronic n print media too for just highlighting n exaggerating anti modi views…..these newspapers and media are sold in the hands of congress….n pity that media who actually should be touted as the opinion framers are just poltically motivated…..look at western media who always stands behind their nation n their strong leader who actually wanted good change…..one man who wants to make the country a leader of the world is being restrained to become….shame hindustan times n all other media…..

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agree fully wid har gobind bhukkal……the only one to be blamed for the plight of muslims today is muslim themselves….becoming a vote bank in the hands of the ugliest n oldest indian party congress for small n meagre short term gain has only increased the plight muslims face..n lot of these blame should also be taken by both electronic n print media too for just highlighting n exaggerating anti modi views…..these newspapers and media are sold in the hands of congress….n pity that media who actually should be touted as the opinion framers are just poltically motivated…..look at western media who always stands behind their nation n their strong leader who actually wanted good change…..one man who wants to make the country a leader of the world is being restrained to become….shame hindustan times n all other media…..

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Tks for your view….a matured one.

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gud article by zia..can understand the frustration of bjp chamchas..continue zia with the gud and geniune work

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gud article by zia..can understand the frustration of bjp chamchas..continue zia with the gud and geniune work

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HI Zia ,
Why are u replying to engrich under the psuedo name of “Abu”?

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What so ever, I personally feel Modi wil b the best prime minister of India

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What so ever, I personally feel Modi wil b the best prime minister of India

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Abu

I agree with you.

We are witnessing – hopefully – a reformed Muslim Brotherhood. My view is that the Muslim Brotherhood has been to the extreme, had a good look, and is now moving towards a centre right position. I am sure that there still remain some radical elements within the Brotherhood, but they seem to be losing their influence. This is probably true of other Middle Eastern Muslim parties too.

Similarly, I believe that Indian Muslims are unique. I do not believe that they have ever been Islamists or Radical in any way. An attempt – under the influence of Saudi Money – was made to radicalise them and it miserably failed. Indian Muslims have seen the kind of fruit radicalism has borne in Pakistan and have collectively decided to not adopt that path.

However, the RSS/BJP combo and all other branches of the Sangh Parivar provoke them into retaliation as well as push them towards adopting more radical stance. This is purely a political gambit because if one has to make a हउवा then make sure that it is as डरावना as possible. Most Indian Muslim leaders have wisened upto this tactic and no longer respond in a prdictable fashion.

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All Indians are one Please don’d divide my Vishal Akhand Bharat

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Modi is an honest corrupt free leaders, any sensible people will praise him. Riot is a very bad thing, but it has happened many times under different ruling party. So may question is what is the definition of secularism? if Riot is the one, then no political party is secular.
Second point is if one party is asking for religion based quota, how it remains secular.
Third point is, Nitish and team does all caste based politics, how they are secular.
Modi should be the PM for India for next many years, people will see how India will progress under his leadership….Jai Hind..

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Modi is an honest corrupt free leaders, any sensible people will praise him. Riot is a very bad thing, but it has happened many times under different ruling party. So may question is what is the definition of secularism? if Riot is the one, then no political party is secular.
Second point is if one party is asking for religion based quota, how it remains secular.
Third point is, Nitish and team does all caste based politics, how they are secular.
Modi should be the PM for India for next many years, people will see how India will progress under his leadership….Jai Hind..

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mr zia haq you want some body like mohammad ali zinnah as indian’s PM and not modi then please tell me that openly and dont beat around the bush. be frank and candid when you choose your leader for PM.

zia beta india is not your saudi arabia or iran to choose muslim PM who ever becomes a PM 1 thing is always certain.
indian voters would never allow a muslim to be PM and we must be proud about that.

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What can you expect from Zia Haq? Once Shyama Prasad Mukherjee said that there is only one nationalist Muslim and he is Jawahar Lal Nehru. So it explains the attitude of the minority.

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The problem is that the peak oil theorists are always claiming we will encounter problems in “the next few years,” then the next few years come and nothing happens. Now I am sure if I had debated this with say a Matthew Simmons or whatnot, that they would have wiped the floor with me as they understand (in Simmons’s case understood) the subject a lot better than I do, but peak oil theorists do not seem to understand the subject nearly as well as they think they do. If they did, then they would have been right on the claims made about hitting peak oil in the late 1990s, the early 2000s, the mid-2000s, 2012, and so forth.
One thing to keep in mind as that as oil gets more expensive, investment pours into new technologies to make extracting the tougher oil (like shale oil) easier and cheaper. Yes, production rates might be slower and harder to maintain with current technology, but new technology has ways of making previously “impossible” things in different areas of technology possible. There was a time, for example, when engineers said that the idea of having televisions the size of phones and flat screen displays, and so forth, was just science fiction, and would never happen, then it happens.
Another thing to keep in mind is that if the older economy was built on cheap oil, that means industry didn’t have the incentive to do things as efficiently or cheaply regarding things requiring petroleum. As oil gets more expensive, industry isn’t just going to sit and continue chugging along as usual. They’ll by themselves start investing in finding new ways to do all sorts of things far more efficiently, and with less.

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Is Zia Haq going insane? I could not make what point he is trying to make! Being a writer his language should be plain enough for others to understand what he is up to!

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Why should I let myself make someone else make me unhappy? That’s the question all desk-rage sufferers should ask themselves and chillax while on the job.

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loved this post

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Its time we accepted that Babri was just a building and not a Mosque as these ****** Muslims claim. As a matter of fact it was a a Ram Mandir. I am not a Hinduvta advocate but we must stop appeasing this territorial religion. The Congress Party has done well so far-by keeping the Muslims in India and illiterate and used their beliefs to secure votes. This has stopped working. Like Pakisthan which has defranchised Hindu votes we must also defranchise the Muslims and give them reservation of 25 seats.This is the only solution for rabbits

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There is no doubt that Congress governments in many states collude with the RSS. Case in point, Andhra Pradesh, where Chief Minister and some of his cabinet colleagues are RSS followers. They have expanded the bhagmati temple at Charminar the temple never existed at the site before 1974. Muslims should create their own parties without relying on the Congress.

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Muslims are curse to Humanity. No religion in the world behaves the way Muslims behave. They are fanatics.

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Dhaka | Dec 9 2012 | HE BD Bureau :: A Hindu young man was beaten to death by a Islamic mob near the district courts in the Old Dhaka amid nationwide Bandh (blockade) today clashes that halted the Dhaka-Aricha Highway. The Bandh was called by the opposition group of Bangladesh, the Bangladesh Nationalist Party (Nationality means here the Islamic Nationality of BD) and the Jammat-e-Islami Party of Bangladesh. It has been alleged that members of the students union of both parties ‘Jatiyatabadi Chatra (Students) League’ and ‘Islami Chhatra Shibir’ were behind the brutal killing of this Hindu Youth named Biswajit Kumar Das (24 yrs) with lethal weapons like Iron rods and sharpened chopper.

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No Muslim was killed during destruction of mosque but Indian Muslims have engaged in numerous terror attacks and killed many civilians in revenge. Contrast that with reports coming out of Muslim world where Hindu temples, Buddhist statutues, Christians praying inside churches are destroyed and killed but still no Hindu or Christian terrorists in Pakistan who massacre civilians in bomb blasts in buses or markets- only Muslim terrorists in Pakistan. How do you explain that?

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previously…. with the help of wapons muslims who were less than 1 percent in population converted all temples into mosques and so babri was one of it…..

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Mr Zia haq show me one election when MUSLIMS have voted with out keeping BJP in mind? people of your community have become pawns in the game played by parties like CONGRESS, LEFT, SP .

you feel MUSLIMS really vote for issues as development and education i feel all they care about is keeping COMMUNAL BJP out at all cost.

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Let me tell you why I hate Islam. Fact – “Muslim majority countries
don’t develop (unless there is oil) and don’t respect minorities”. So
I am in favor of Islam free India – A country where every religion but
Islam is welcome. I’m not against holy Qur’an or current Muslims. I
would like new borns to be converted to any other religion, in case you
are not a fan of Hinduism.

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Two
decades is almost a third of the journey that independent India has
covered since 1947. It’s been a long journey, chequered with events that
challenged, threatened and sometimes even sustained – in their own
convoluted way – the idea of the Indian state. The epoch begins with
what happened in small-town Ayodhya on Dec 6, 1992 when a medieval
mosque, labelled as a monument of Mughal pride and persecution, was
pulled down by a frenzied mob of right-wing Hindu ‘activists’. One need
not go into the well-documented details of what happened that day.

The
only aspect I want you to consider here for the sake of the argument I
will be making later is that the demolition of Babri Masjid, organised
by the BJP government in UP and tacitly supported by the Congress
government at the Centre, was still considered an assault on the Indian
state. It was constitutionally a ‘crime’ and therefore liable to
prosecution, which of course did happen. That nobody has been punished
yet for the demolition and its protagonists today grace the Parliament
and dream of
becoming the Prime Minister of the country is a different story.

Two
decades later, there is a lot of talk about the nation moving on.
Presumably towards less hatred and more ‘development’, thanks to another
epochal event that happened a year before Ayodhya 1992 – the opening of
the Indian market. But has the state really moved on? If so, then has
the state moved forward on a trajectory of democracy, justice and
equality, or has it actually regressed into a delusional and scarier
behemoth? Let’s consider another example on the ‘decadent’ (couldn’t
resist the pun)
timeline as the title of this piece suggests.

Let’s
move a decade forward to an event that is again simply called Gujarat
2002, undeniably the most unfortunate event since Ayodhya 1992. How do
we look at Gujarat 2002 vis-a-vis the Indian state? Well, we can’t,
because Gujarat 2002 was all about the state. It was a state-sponsored
and organised pogrom against its minorities, the main protagonist of
which has grown more powerful since the violence and represents the
collective dream of Hindu middle-class as well as its corporates of
becoming India’s next Prime
Minister.

So
what changed? For the sake of argument, we can say with some comfort
that the Babri protagonists were largely punished by India’s syncretism.
Of course, the BJP gained from Ayodhya 1992, forming a short-lived
government in 1996 and then coming back to power in 1998. Yet, the
protagonists of the demolition – Kalyan Singh, Vinay Katiyar, Uma
Bharti, Murli Manohar Joshi and even L K Advani – could never come out
of its shadow. In contast, Narendra Modi’s only claim to fame, if you
will, is Gujarat 2002. Modi without the pogrom has no resume to flaunt
or
claim his legitimacy as the tallest leader in the same BJP.

Allow
me to elaborate. What changed in a decade since 1992 – in the same BJP -
was that while Advani, the supreme architect of Hindutva in India,
could not become an accepted prime ministerial candidate because of
Ayodhya 1992 and the violence that followed, Modi, on the other hand,
has not only been largely excused from any serious prosecution by the
law of the land for his role in Gujarat 2002, he is even the BJP’s only
consensus candidate for the prime minister’s post.

In
other words, while we may bask in the growing secularisation of the
state – marked by a larger rule of law as well as open-market capitalism
– the fact remains that the Indian state continues to be schizophrenic
about its self-image. If Ayodhya 1992 was about a bunch of non-state
loonies pulling down a mosque, Gujarat 2002 was marked by the same state
being an active participant in a pogrom against its largest minority.
While Ayodhya 1992 sought to correct a perceived historical wrong by
erasing its material testimony, Gujarat 2002 did not even care to show
any pretension other than a crude and
violent majoritarianism.

Mumbai
2012, to move on and conclude, further complicates the pattern of the
Indian state’s failure to define itself in a more rational, democratic
and more importantly, secular manner. By choosing to honour a rabid
hate-monger who mocked at all the ideals a liberal nation is supposed to
stand for, the state displayed its pathological schizophrenia like
never before. The state funeral of Bal Thackeray, in other words,
expunged him of his role in the killing of hundreds of Muslims in Mumbai
post-Ayodhya 1992, which is just one among his and his
party’s many assaults on the state. Moreover, as the year 2012 closes,
the killer of Gujarat 2002 is set to return as the Chief Minister of the
state for a record fourth term.

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PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE IN KORAN IS IT WRITTEN “LOVE” “PEACE ” ..FIRST SHOW ME ..ISLAM SPREADS HATRED

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islam is crazy ..fact 1) it has words like kafirs etc 2) muslim lie when they tell jihad is all about peaced etc ..now where will you dinf word like love etc..muslims only like to kill anf they cry when some body ***** them in written !!

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hey writter u *** BABUR WAS NOT EVEN INDIAN LOL

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Any historical fact for ayodhya being budhist and other etc you mentioned.

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brhmns came 3000 years before muslims.they enslaved indans call them hindu.victims of brhmnsm coverted to islam.
in practice hinuism is worst type aparteism.for 3000 years doors of education remained close to non brhmns.justice was also not equal.

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BABAR WAS A INVADER ON INDIAN SOIL.THE MOSQUE WAS BUILT BY DEMOLISHING PART OF THE TEMPLE

bullshit and wrong.brhmns too were invaders.there is proof that any temple was demolished.

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Mr.Haq long-time by reading your pro- terrorist and Islamic I had indeed doubt about your veiled Zeehadi bent, taking full advantage of liberal Hindu democratic values and our society, and by knowing Hindu sounding names(they may be even newly convert to Islam)do not try to push your closeted Islamic agenda. Out of 1.2 billions this is one incident deserved the full scrutiny of the psyche why these animals did what they did and how they influenced by such copy book style Islamic barbarity,like sticking ,mutilating private parts(Saurabh Kalia),be-heading,chopping off limbs etc. In Pakistan and Afghanistan follows Sharia,does these fully Islamic countries able to stop cruelty against women which includes barbaric use of force in raping a woman or a young boy? On the contrary, the latest Times magazine covers put the picture of an Afghan Girl whose nose was chopped and acid was thrown on her face because she refused to have sex with her husband. In another recent incident two young girls in Afghanisthan denied the sexual advancement of the two Afghans, they were taken to an isolated place and be-headed. As a Muslim you know fully that your security is fully protected by the majority tax(Hindus) payers money, so you can have the indulgence of such awful Islamic laws which the innocent people are suffering in countries like Sudan and Nigeria. We Hindus are civiled society and it has benn proved through our contribution to civilisation and building human capital through out 7000 years of our existence unlike the 1000 years of barbaric rule of Islam when the millions were killed and the Hindu temples ,Nalanda , Taxsilla,place of ;earnings were destroyed to establish just like your present suggestions of implementing of Islamic barbaric rule guided by Sharia.. We Hindus do not need your zeehadi suggestions to push India towards Isalmic nation like Paksitan or Afghnisthan. Before suggesting such awful barbaric Isalmic law, you should go and live in Pakistan or in Afghanistan and try to understand the Sharia not here in 90% Hindu majority country. This thing happening because of lack of governance and corruption by the rulling of the present UPA governmnet which is supported by the Muslim community. If we take the example of good Goverance , we must take few pages from the adminstrative and governance skill of Mr, Modi and you will see for the past few years there are no violations against women like rapes,kidnapping in Gujarat,only ramoant in UP, Delhi and other Congress and Muslim appeasing vote bank influenced regional political parties like Mulayam etc. So we only need to work good governance to vote for Narendra Modi in up coming 2014 election.

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Finally, you showed your true green color.

You like SARIA, take it as much you can;

We like MODI, we will bring him in 2014

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When tolerant and democratic non-Muslim societies give in to the Muslim religious privileges, many of their toxic anti-non-Muslim components creep in exponentially as their population grows as explained below:

-Muslims up to 5% of the population (Australia, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Italy, Norway, Spain, Sweden, UK, USA) stay as segregated minority, start Mosque construction, use oil money to influence liberal Journalists for public relations and open Islamic Study Chairs in major universities, proselytize from vulnerable groups, clog streets with open-air congregationary rug prayers, develop sleeper cells for future Jehad;

-Muslims 5 to 10% (France, Kenya, Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland) push for those Islamic believes that are in conflict with the values & tradition of
diverse societies, ask breaks on jobs for 5-times prayers, establish madrasa
education, display of veil by their females, demand to rule themselves by
Saria; They quickly learnt to use, misuse and abuse the freedoms granted to citizens in free and democratic countries to spread vitriol, virulent indoctrination and hate against their non-Muslim hosts, the kafirs, among who they freely chose to migrate and get citizenship through various guiles.

-Muslims 10 to 25% (Burma, Cyprus, INDIA, Israel, Philippines, Russia, Serbia, Thailand) tend to increase lawlessness and chaos such as mob violence after Friday Sermons for alleged blasphemy or Koran burning by destroying national monuments in India and car-burnings in France. Many actions of native non-Muslims population in full compliance with their own culture, constitution and traditions of freedom of speech will offend Islam resulting in uprisings such as opposition to Mohammad cartoons or veil in public, post false blogs using non-Muslim on-line names, force partition of countries, create mayhem by terror and ethnic cleansing, keep their daughters confined while seducing young non-Muslim girls to marry and forcing conversion, shelter illegal Muslims migrants from all over the world and breed more to increase Muslim population ratio;

-Muslims 25% to 90% – Once the population of Muslims reaches 25%, forced conversions, hair-trigging riots and ethnic cleansing will start to ensure that the figure reaches 95%. As long as the figure is fewer than 25% the only ways to increase Muslim population are illegal immigration, conversion of poor and illiterates, and high birth rates like rabbits; with the exception of few countries such as NIGERIA (always in turmoil despite huge oil), there are very few countries in the world where the population of Muslims is between 25% and 90%. Indonesia and Malaysia are examples of countries that have seen rapid Islamisation and discrimination of minorities in recent decades.

-Muslims from 90 to 99% (Albania, Azerbaijan, Algeria, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Bosnia, Chad, Chechnya, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kosovo, Kyrgyzstan, Lebanon, Pakistan, Qatar, Sudan, Syria, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Turkey, Uzbekistan, West Bank) notice violent jihad, face hair-trigger riots as in Syria, jihad lashkars, unfettered persecution of non-Muslims, use Zakat of funds to spread Islam and terror, target killings, sporadic ethnic cleansing, death for conversion (apostasy and proselytizing), Rule by Saria, start of conspiracy theory, subdue and impose Jizya tax on non-Muslims only, military coups, dictatorships, disappearances of dissidents, enforcement of dreaded Blasphemy Law, start of genocide to drive infidels out with frenzy to make 100% Muslim state;

-100% Muslim population (Afghanistan, GAZA, Libya, Maldives, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Yemen) should usher Darul-Islam, the Islamic world of Peace; here everybody is a Muslim, Madarasa their schools, Mullah their intellectuals and Koran is the only word. Unfortunately, peace in Islam is a mirage as it can NEVER be achieved, even in 100% Muslim states. By then the entire society becomes radicalized and more-radicalized Cr@zy Muslims intimidate, spread hatred thru network media by morphed pictures, spew venom and satisfy their bl@@d-lust by killing less-radicalized Muslims such as Sunnis killing Shias in Pakistan and Arab world. Worst, the Islamic state becomes either a brutal Islamic Sheikhdom as Saudi Arab with free oil money or a terrorist state like Pakistan using terrorism as the state policy with nuclear bomb in the control of genocidal army or a Somalia, the nation of pirates, all claiming to follow the guidance emanating from the same source, KORAN and SARIA.

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india should run under sharia as justice under sharia is deterent instant cheap and examplary

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Zia, you forgot to mention one of the basic requirement of the Saria;

TESTIMONY OF FOUR (4) EYE-WITNESSES who actually saw the rape by their own eyes.

Four eye witness for the rape and that too males; in case of females, Saria requires 8 eye-witnesses as famale testimony is given half weightage only compared to that of a male.

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We do not want medieval laws (Sharia or Manusmruti). We want secular laws with modern sensibilities. We need here simple amendments to CPC where by the law will fulfill its role as a deterrent of crime and the instrument of justice in the context of rape, and related attempt to murder, and the murder.

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The death penalty is not the patent of any religion. It is a hangover from medieval times in the minds of people who refuse to see that killing by any name is just killing. Religious mythology of any religion is just a story of good versus evil, relevant to a particular point in time. Don’t think that Hinduism is the only religion whose religious books are a myth. It is not the degree of punishment but education and the surety of punishment that will stop it.

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The author seems to be master in stretching examples and arguments and is trying to develop a backdoor channel for acceptability of conservative and outdated principles.His hints of Shariah as a solution to lawlessness reeks of Jamaat’s ideology

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we don’t need any religion laws.ammend hundred years old cpc . recruit more police personnel ,train the police with modern equipment ,more police training institutes,crime related course in universities ,upgrade police with latest technology, increase ratio of police,non interference of politician in crime cases,Effective policing,teach children in school about duty of a citizen instead of useless histories,harsh punishment like life sentence with out parole,treat rape as non bailable offence .All this will reduce the crime rate.Media should always give maximum importance about rape issues

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There are strict Hindu Vedic laws that applies against incest and rape against women. The problem in India is politicians does not enforce laws strictly and do not punish criminals harshly like in the U.S. These problems can be solved without Shariah, there are more modern and better laws than Shariah. India has a secular democratic constitution that takes precedence over any religious laws. In Muslim countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan women are being killed and brutalized everyday and there are no protests. Atleast in India I see mass protest against such heinous crimes.

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When americans shove a danda up the *** of mullas n took away raymond davis even when whole porkistan was yelling to hang him,real usefullness of saria came to be known.They paid them blood money n took their man even when he shot 2 porkis in broad daylight.

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It turned out the death penalty for kidnapping made the kidnapper more likely to kill the victim – minus a witness, for no extra risk. The same holds true for rape.

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better they can move to pakistan and get all laws as per islam.

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hindu fascists are liars of highest order,their only aim is to divide

In
his incisive study of the Hindutva phenomenon, titled Saffron Fascism,
Shyam Chand, a Dalit scholar and activist who served for many years as
member of the Haryana Legislative Assembly, quotes from a secret
circular sent out by the RSS to its preachers. It clearly indicates the
sinister Brahminical strategy of using the Dalit-Bahujans to attack the
Muslims and Christians, while at the same time aiming to keep the
Dalit-Bahujans under the permanent slavery of the ‘upper’ castes.
Excerpts from Secret Circular No.411 issued by the RSS:
[.]
Scheduled Castes and Other Backward Classes are to be recruited to the
party so as to increase the volunteers to fight against the Ambedkarites
and Mussalmans.
Hindutva should be preached with a vengeance among
physicians and pharmacists so that, with their help, time expired [sic.]
and spurious medicines might be distributed amongst the Scheduled
Castes, Mussalmans and Scheduled Tribes. The newborn infants of Shudras,
Ati-Shudras, Mussalmans, Christians and the like should be crippled by
administering injections to them. To this end, there should be a show of
blood-donation camps.
Encouragement and instigation should be
carried on [sic.] more vigorously so that the womenfolk of Scheduled
Castes, Mussalmans and Christians live by prostitution.
Plans should
be made more foolproof so that the people of the Scheduled Castes,
Backward Classes, Musslamans and Christians, especially the
Ambedkarites, become crippled by taking in [sic.] harmful eatables.
Special
attention should be given to the students of Scheduled Castes and
Scheduled Tribes so as to make them read the history written according
to our dictates.
During riots the women of Mussalmans and Scheduled
Castes should be gang-raped. Friends and acquaintances cannot be spared.
The work should proceed on the Surat model.
Publication of writings
against Mussalmans, Christians, Buddhists and Ambedkarites should be
accelerated. Essays and writings should be published in such a way as to
prove that Ashoka was opposed to the Aryans.
All literature opposed
to Hindus and Brahmins are [sic.] to be destroyed. Dalits, Mussalmans,
Christians and Ambedkarites should be searched out. Care should be taken
to see that this literature do [sic.] not reach public places. Hindu
literature is to apply [sic.] to the Backward Classes and Ambedkarites.
The
demand by the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes for filling in the
backlog vacancies in services shall by no means be met. Watch should be
kept to see that their demands for entry and promotion in government,
non-government or semi-government institutions are to be rejected and
their service records are destroyed with damaging reports.
Measures
should be taken to make the prejudices amongst Scheduled Castes and
Backward people more deep-rooted. To this end, help must be taken from
saints and ascetics.
Attacks should be started with vigour against
equality, preaching communists [sic.], Ambedkarites, Islamic teachers,
Christian missionaries and neighbours [?].
Assaults should be made on Ambedkar’s statues with greater efforts.
Dalit
and Muslim writers are to be recruited to the party and by them essays
and literature opposed to the Dalits, Ambedkarites and Mussalmans
written and preached [sic.]. Attention is to be paid to see that these
writings are properly edited and preached [sic.].
Those opposed to
Hindutva are to be murdered through false encounters. For this work the
help of the police and semi-military [sic.] forces should always be
taken.”[2]
*
In the face of this circular, no more evidence is
needed to show what Hindutva actually bodes for the Dalit-Bahujans. It
circular very clearly indicates that Hindutva aims essentially at
preserving the oppression of the Dalit-Bahujans, in addition to the
Muslims and Christians, on which the entire edifice of Brahminism
stands.

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Pakistan was created for such people who believe in uncivilized Bedouin law. They can move there.

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The purpose of a religion is a selfish (Muslim) to become a selfless (Muslimeen).
The purpose is lost, prehistorical traditions & culture remains.
Understand the religion.
‘TRUE ESSENCE OF RELIGIONS’ To unite all.
http://www.fazelsubian.com

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Imagine if Sharia laws were applied on Mohammad, that guys would have reduced to pulp by stoning for 9 crimes that he committed.

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donkey bose,aurangzeb was ruling 25%of world with 35-40 of gdp of world.muslims made all cities and roads in indiaCOULD THEY DO IT WITHOUT EDUCATION.

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woman gang-raped in UP, dumped in south Delhi

A 42-year-old woman was sedated and raped allegedly by three men in Uttar Pradesh who then dumped her in south-east Delhi, police said on Thursday.
The fresh case comes close on the heels of a 23-year-old girl being gang-raped in a moving bus in south Delhi on December 16.
Police

claimed that the woman, who hails from Jaipur, was raped
somewhere in Vrindavan and dumped in south-east Delhi’s Kalkaji area on
Wednesday night.

The incident came to light around 9:15 pm when a passerby saw the
woman lying on a road and called the police.The victim had gone to
Vrindavan on December 22 and was returning home on Wednesday.

She met Verma there and he accompanied her in a car to her hometown. On the way, Verma’s two friends joined them.

“She told us that she was gagged, sedated and raped by the trio. They
took turns to rape her. A medical examination has confirmed rape,” a
senior police official said.

Police said she was conscious and taken to AIIMS where she is undergoing treatment.

A case of gang-rape under section 376(G) has been registered.

One of the accused identified as Dilip Verma has been detained.

Delhi Police spokesperson Rajan Bhagat said Verma was picked up from
Agra and he is being brought to Delhi for interrogation. He claimed that
he knows the victim for five years.

Three teams have been formed and are raiding several places to catch the other two accused.

A senior police official said it is claimed that the woman had
earlier tried to get a rape case registered in Agra but after
investigations, police did not file any case as they found the
allegations to be false.
Police was verifying it

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sumit bose as per british histoians delhi had 100 hospitals during aurangzeb time,

If lie becomes the routine of a mass media, and its audience also starts
doing blind believe on the productions of it, then no one can stop to the
destruction of that poor nation. It has been found that on the mass media of the
Pakistan, there are people who just try to degrade the Muslims’ heritage and in
this regard they try their best to prove that the rulers of the sub-continent
had been cruel, uneducated and uncivilized. Though there had been Hindu, Sikh
and other rulers as well on the sub-continent but their angriness falls only on
the Muslim rulers, especially on the Aurang zeib Alamgeer. He has been recorded
as the most virtue, justice-providing kind Mughal-Emperor. If we want to
exemplify the condition of those so called media intellectuals who are ashamed
on their heritage and who are enjoying good seats in the mainstream, then the
example comes in mind is; A guy who get settles in the city by the sacrifices of
his poor villager parents. Once old parents visit him on some occasion but he
tries to hide them from the friends. But when he fails in it, he introduces
them, as “the servants from his village, came to ask some favor and will stay
for a few days with him”.

Since some days, a so called public service message is being run by a big
news channel of the Pakistani mainstream media. In the ad, history has been
distorted towards the interest of the people mentioned above and the makers have
shown that; when Europe was building Universities, research and thinking centers
at there, the Mughal Emperors were busy in making Shalamaar Bagh and Taj
Mahalhere. We will discuss the historical evidences from the next paragraph but
here a point to think is; how such wonders were possible to build without
education, which are the samples of great architecture in themselves. If we get
little deep, we will find that such architectures were impossible without the
great command on at-least two social aspects; the experty in the science of
architecture and the strong economic and financial conditions of the state. The
available description of Taj mahal, Sheesh mahal, maqbra-e-Hamayun,
Deewan-e-haas and shalamaar baag tells that the constructors of the buildings
were touching the best knowledge of the geometry at the age. All the four
minarets of the Taj Mahal were constructed ½ inch outward bowed so that the
earth quake can’t cause the minarets to fall on the domes. An uneducated layman
can’t lay the bricks in such pattern because there is science of mathematics at
there. The Taj Mahal is standing at a 90 feet base in which 30 feet is sand.
This sand is to protect from the earth quake, so that the construction can stay
at its position if shock shakes the building. All this need is the education of
geometry and mathematics at there. The tiles are mosaic art, in which small
colorful tiles were used to make the pictures and designs on the walls. This art
can be seen in the 1KM long wall of Shahi Killa Lahore and Masjid Wazir Khan.
The colors and making of that long lasting material needs deep knowledge of the
chemistry which we are studying now a days in the contemporary universities.
Same situation has been found in the fresco painting, the colors of which are
still same as they had been 400 years ago. All the Mughal age constructions has
been found with a special underground water supply and sewerage systems. The
pipes of them were made with special clay that they are still in their real
working conditions even after 400 years. The clay making technique was known as
tera kotta. If we collect all the knowledge of construction in Mughal era and
try to make a curriculum according to our current education system, we will find
that a single construction will require numbers of PhDs in them. Now the simple
Question is; Does all this possible in that Sub-continent, in which the
illiteracy was at its peak and whose rulers were education

By coming to the historical evidences about my points of the Mughal age, I
will code only the western historians, because might be the ad-makers and their
ideological fellows don’t like the locals/Muslim’s references. Will Dewrant is
famous historian and philosopher of the west, he writes in his famous book (The
Story of Civilization) about the Sub-continent that; “Every village was having
school teachers, which were being paid by the Government. There were eighty
thousand (80,000) schools in the Bangal only, much before the British came here.
There was one school for every 400 people and the subjects in the schools were;
Grammar, Arts and Crafts, Medicine, philosophy and Logic”. He codes in his
another book (A Case for India) that; “Only in Madraas there were 1,25,000
centers where the education of medicine was being taught and free health
facilities were available”. Major M.D. Basu wrote bundle of books on British
rule and the Hindustaan of the Mughal era. He also codes by Max Mollar that;
“There were 80,000 Madrisaas in Banghal only, before the British occupied
India”. A tourist Alexander Hamilton came in India in the time of Aurang Zeib
Alamgeer, and he codes; “There were 400 colleges of Arts in Thatta only”. Once
major Basu writes; “The Education of science, philosophy, medicine etc. of a
common Indian in the Mughal age was more than the elites, rulers and even than
the Queen of the Great Britain. The report of the James Grant is memorable
worthy in which he says; “The donations of the personal properties, for the
educational institutes was introduced by the Muslims in the world”. “In 1857,
when British occupied whole India, in a small district of Rohail Khand five
thousand (5000) teachers were getting pays by the Government treasury”. All the
above discussed areas were so far from the Delhi, Karachi, Lahore, Mumbai and
Agra like big cities but the facilities for the education were so enriched.
British and Hindu historians are agreed upon that the education was at its peak
in the era of Aurang zeib Alamgeer. He used to pay equal salary to all the
teachers without any discrimination, based upon the religion. Though it has been
recorded that the secularAkbar practiced unequal salary distribution for the
teachers in his rule. It was Aurang Zeib who donated the land to all the worship
places (temples, churches, mosques etc.) and fixed the scholarships/salary for
the priests and co-workers from the government treasury. There were three famous
Hindu historians at Aurang Zeib’s time; Sajaan Roy Khatrri, Bheem Seen and
Eishwar Daas, they all coded in their books Khulasat-ul-tawareeh, nus-ha
dilkasha and fatoohat-e-Aalam Geeri respectively that; it was Alam Geer who 1st
time in the Indian history introduced regular medicine curriculum and added the
books Tib-e-nabvi, tib-e-akbar, mafrh-al-qaloob, tareef-ul-amraaz and
Mujurbaat-e-akbari in the courses of the medical colleges. All these books are
almost equal to the current MBBS courses in the modern medical colleges.
Hundreds of years back from the Aunrang Zaib Alamgeer, Feroz Shah built a
hospital in Delhi named “Daar-ul-Shiffa”. Alamgir introduced another book later
named; Tib-e-Feroz Shahi which also became the part of medical studies in the
time. It has also been recorded that there were 100 hospitals in Delhi at the
time of Alamgeer.

I can code thousands of such evidences from the history but the space is not
allowing me to do it. All the researchers can visit Lahore Anar kali tomb and
can see the census report of 1911 regarding the literacy rate of all the
districts in Mughal period. It was 80% or more than that in all the districts
and was more than anywhere on the earth at that time. But when Britain left
India the literacy rate was just 10% here. The Banghal was conquered in 1757 and
in next 34 years all the schools and colleges were turned into rubble. Then Lord
Cornivolas opened 1st separate religious school in 1781 and paved the way for
new destruction in the India. Before of that in sub-continent there was no
division in the religious or any other scientific school. In a single institute
(Madrassa)there was education of Quran, Philosophy and of science at there.

These are the votes of history but if the ad makers want to spread the lie
then who can stop them? Abu-Jahal’s name was Umru Bin Hasham, he was very
intelligent and educated that the people of Makkah used to call him;
“Abu-Al-Hikam” means the father of wisdom. But Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said; he
is not the Father of Wisdom but he is the Father of ignorance,
“Abu-Jahal”.Modern age also have many of such Abu-Jahalaround us

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All those non muslim brothers kindly save your skin for the day of judgement. Don’t pass hatred remarks. You have no knowledge about peaceful islam. Read and learn religious literature before leaving hatred comments.

Brother Zia is writing very honest and truthful piece.

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The sunnah of islam teaches lots and lots of patience which perhaps none of us possess. Specially internet surfers!!!

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I repeat God’s punishment is severe. Don’t forget muslims and non-muslims brothers n sisters we are living in this world for a very short period and soon we all have to say good-bye. The day angels of death appear at our doorstep, our properties and other possessions will be taken away by someone else.And we all are transferred to another world forever!!!

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The holy quran says every soul shall have a taste of death. So pls fear your lord and do your best in this short span of time.

And those who have misconception about islam and rights of women in it. Kindly read the last sermon of our last prophet(pbup)

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For your knowledge i m dispatching few quote:
“….O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to
your women, but they also have right over you. If they abide by your
right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness.
Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners
and comitted helpers….
Remember, one day you will appear before ALLAH and answer for your
deeds. So beware, do not astray from the path of righteousness
after I am gone…
Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that
you will indeed meet your LORD, and that HE will indeed reckon
your deeds…
O
People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL
BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QUR’AN and my
example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray.
All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to
others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than
those who listen to me direcly. BE MY WITNESS O ALLAH THAT I HAVE
CONVEYED YOUR MESSAGE TO YOUR PEOPLE.”
-Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)

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