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Shailendra- birth anniversary
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Enjoy my dear friends- Raj Kapoor called him kaviraj. What a man-
1958: “Yeh Mera Deewanapan Hai” (Yahudi)
1959: “Sab Kuch Seekha Hamne” (Anari)
1968: “Main Gaoon Tum So Jao” (Brahmchari)
“Awara Hoon” – Awaara
“Ramaiya Vastavaiya” – Shri 420″Mera Joota Hai Japani” – Shri 420″Aaj Phir Jeene Ki” – Guide”Dost Dost Na Raha” – Sangam”Kisi Ki Muskurahaton Pe” – Anarihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT9kqNvaUoQ[Reply]
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September 2nd, 2012 at 8:50 pmहम सिंघासन पर जा बैठें, जब जब करें इरादे
सूरत है जानी पहचानी, दुनिया वालों को हैरानी
सर पे लाल टोपी रूसी, फिर भी दिल है हिन्दुस्तानी[Reply]
Anonymous Reply:
September 3rd, 2012 at 4:46 amजहाँ होटों पे सच्चाई नहीं रहती है
जहाँ दिल में सफाई नहीं रहती है
तुम उस देश का वासी हो
तुम उस देश का वासी हो
जिस देश में जिहाद बहता है.[Reply]
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All;
Bangaru laxman should be given bail. A news item in Indian Express.
Ha, A Dalit, ( UPA, beat its breast for Dalits) albeit, BJP person, is being hounded, and has to plead for bail, for a fictitious deal, where he was entrapped by Tarun Tejpal, contrary to law,. Put this incidence vis a vis, G2, CWG, Coalgate and what not. Once, opposition comes to power, they must hunt all these vermins, like Tejpals and whole pantheon. Nothing less.Otherwise, we Indians at heart will understand that NDA and congress are same and a bloody revolution is, what is required for India.[Reply]
vijay ! Reply:
September 5th, 2012 at 1:39 amTejpal is silent over these 176666666666666 + 187000000000000
+ 70000000000000 crores.So is Pthak G and Vinod G
But they willl kep talking about the 50 thousand ruppe forcefully given to Laxman to divert attention from Congress loot, pocketmaari and chori.
Pathak G wil pretend that he has not read this.
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vijay ! Reply:
September 5th, 2012 at 1:39 amTejpal is silent over these 176666666666666 + 187000000000000
+ 70000000000000 crores.So is Pthak G and Vinod G
But they willl kep talking about the 50 thousand ruppe forcefully given to Laxman to divert attention from Congress loot, pocketmaari and chori.
Pathak G wil pretend that he has not read this.
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Sahai says did not lobby for coal bloacks…
Darda says no lobbying….Baby G is not lobbying for PM’s seat…
Badi ajeeb duniya hai…
Sab kuch bina lobbying hota hai…
Kya AISA BHI HOTA HAI????????
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Washington Post says Manmohan Singh is a tragic figure.
I wonder why it took the US media so long to configure
the tragic fact; but for our media, he still is ‘jaan-e-jigar
even though his credibility is thinner than Karina’s small fingure![Reply]
Anonymous Reply:
September 6th, 2012 at 5:01 amUS media is very slow. What we knew since many years, they found out now and have reported.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 6th, 2012 at 5:40 amMohan,
Wa-Po article is fairly shallow in its content and criticism about MMS.
We know the issues – but they are not the ones that Wa-Po makes them out to be.
As an example – the article talks about lowered economic Growth. Scratch a little deeper and you will realise the co-relation between global macro-economic situation and investments. Not much of which is MMS making. Plus there is this issue of role the economic growth plays (or more aptly, doesn’t play) in alleviation of rural poverty.
Same with FDI in retail. Americans are betraying their impatience and expecting MMS to do what was done during the Nuclear deal. Do we want to repeat that ?
Our polity , in general, and UPA as a part of it has tonnes of issues . Much of them are left out by the Wa-Po article.
In comparison, Paul Krugman’s articles and blog at NYT offers much better insight and depth compared to the Wa-Po article.
Tom-tomming the Wa-Po article metaphorically rhymes a lot with “Tinke Kaa Sahara lekar behna” .On a different Note, did we notice Mr. Modi’s troubles have acquired a far serious tone ?
More later. Stay well.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 6th, 2012 at 6:10 amMahesh,
If you associate depth in the opinions of US papers with praising the non-existent success story of Manmohan Singh and his master, Sonia Gandhi, I can understand your utter disappointment.
You have come down on the US media like a ton of bricks.You know very well it is not only the US, but many other countries too who are flummoxed by the total inactivity of the erstwhile economist. Here is a sample:
“lame duck” – The Economist
“a Tragic figure” – Washington Post
“The underachiever” – Time Magazine
“India’s saviour or Sonia’s poodle?” – The IndependentI expected better from you than this gem of ulta-logic: Economic growth doesn’t play any role in the poverty alleviation of the rural population!
You have also voiced your opposition to FDI in retail trade, bringing your thinking in line with the Mamtas, Yechuris, Brindas and….and …..
Absence from the blog for long periods sems to have dulled your thinking faculties.As for Modi, didn’t you notice Modi has simply brushed off the Naroda verdict. Even Barkha Dutt accepted the fact that Modi cannot be bothered about these things.
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September 6th, 2012 at 7:19 amShenoy,
You said :
“If you associate depth in the opinions of US papers with praising the non-existent success story of Manmohan Singh and his master, Sonia Gandhi, I can understand your utter disappointment.”
Disappointment ? Actually it was that of dismissal about the Wa-Po story. Now, were you not being a tad too tone deaf in reading my post ?
You said :
“You have come down on the US media like a ton of bricks.You know very well it is not only the US, but many other countries too who are flummoxed by the total inactivity of the erstwhile economist. Here is a sample: “lame duck” – The Economist
“a Tragic figure” – Washington Post
“The underachiever” – Time Magazine
“India’s saviour or Sonia’s poodle?” – The Independent”
I am curious which part of my following statement did you not understand ?
“Wa-Po article is fairly shallow in its content and criticism about MMS.We know the issues – but they are not the ones that Wa-Po makes them out to be. ”
Try not to deflect or obfuscate when replying.
“You have also voiced your opposition to FDI in retail trade, bringing your thinking in line with the Mamtas, Yechuris, Brindas and….and …..”
Did I ? Did you even read what I wrote ? Next time read first CAREFULLY before blurting out something irrelevant .“As for Modi, didn’t you notice Modi has simply brushed off the Naroda verdict. Even Barkha Dutt accepted the fact that Modi cannot be bothered about these things.”
Doesn’t mean the problems are going away anytime soon.Anonymous Reply:
September 6th, 2012 at 7:15 amMahsh,
You have only focused on the slowdown of the economy
and FDI and have avoided mentioning the huge corruption this government is involved in. The writer
starts his article with this paragraph –
“Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has been described as “a dithering, ineffectual bureaucrat presiding over a deeply corrupt government” by a leading US daily.”ManMohan Singh who is supposed to be carrying an image of a clean, non corrupt PM has allowed scams to
happen under his nose and did not try to do anything to
stop those and the reason he give is ‘ compulsion of coalition’.Regarding Modi, I had said on this blog few months back that we will keep on hearing more anti Modi
new before the forth coming elections in Gujarat. This
is only a start, there is going to deluge of such news and most of us will be watching the fun from the sidelines.Anonymous Reply:
September 6th, 2012 at 7:20 amMohan ,
The article doesn’t end at first paragraph.Anonymous Reply:
September 6th, 2012 at 7:32 amWell, you focused on later part of the article and I perhaps stopped
after reading first paragraph. Journalists do exaggerate and write many things to fill up the pages but that does not mean that our PM should not be blamed for some the points which have been raised in the article, mainly about corruption taking place on his watch.
And would love to read your comments on our government’s
approach of demanding an apology from Washing Post.Anonymous Reply:
September 6th, 2012 at 8:59 amMohan,
My point is not about infallibility of PM. It is about the wrong blames being assigned. Had we seen a few more deals with Boeings , Monsantos and Walmarts – those same folks would’ve been singing different tunes.
Again – not arguing PM’s infallibility, just pointing out the shallowness of criticism.
As for apology thing – Government has shot itself in the foot. It has ended extending undue credence to the article in whole process. Plus there is this history of being particularly intolerant of criticism. Sometimes , terribly so.Anonymous Reply:
September 6th, 2012 at 9:10 amAs I said earlier
exaggerating and sometimes biased reporting is the habit of most of the journalists.
The person whom we both ‘love’ – Modi – is the prime example
of biased and exaggerated reporting by selected media who
have never stopped blaming him for almost all the problems
of Gujarat.Anonymous Reply:
September 6th, 2012 at 7:45 amI liked the proverb of Tinke ka sahara. Don’t you think that
this government is using Tinke ka sahara to stay in power
by taking support from people like Mulayam, Mayawati and
Mamta Di.?Anonymous Reply:
September 6th, 2012 at 11:30 amNot much of which is MMS’s making—–
In 1992, even though economic liberalisation was begun by Narasimha Rao and he installed MMS in the FM gaddi precisely because he would bend whichever way PVN asked him to bend, still our media geva all the credit to MMS, because PVN was not liked by Sonia Gandhi.
Now for the last eight years MMS is the PM and he has brought the country to a sorry pass. And still you say ‘not much of which is MMS making’?
Aap ki wafadaari ka jawab nahin, MaheshG!
Anonymous Reply:
September 6th, 2012 at 2:07 pmShenoy,
“In 1992, even though economic liberalisation was begun by Narasimha Rao and he installed MMS in the FM gaddi precisely because he would bend whichever way PVN asked him to bend, still our media geva all the credit to MMS, because PVN was not liked by Sonia Gandhi.”
Two points here.
First – What has this got to do with the topic under discussion ?
Second – MMS was *already* credited long before Sonia Gandhi could gain strong foothold in Congress.“Now for the last eight years MMS is the PM and he has brought the country to a sorry pass. And still you say ‘not much of which is MMS making’?”
Shenoy – just so you don’t miss what was under discussion here.
“Wa-Po article is fairly shallow in its content and criticism about MMS.We know the issues – but they are not the ones that Wa-Po makes them out to be. ”
Surely you understand English Language well enough both in Syntax and Semantics to not have missed out the difference. So, why the urge to deliberately obfuscate and deflect ?
Waakai – Shenoy Saahib – aapki Nazr-Andaazi waali harkat taarif-e-qaabil hai.Anonymous Reply:
September 6th, 2012 at 3:53 pmMahesh,
I think in your hazy way of thinking, you forget the central issue of our discussion: Manmohan Singh is a tragic figure, a lame duck prime minister (!), an under-achiever and Sonia’s pet poodle.
I understand you have severe comprehension problems, but the rest of us here on the blog have very focussed, MMS centric discussions. They may infuriate you, but don’t lose heart, may be Baby G would bring enough cheer to befuddled minds like yours.
That is if he gets a chance.
Till then happy dreams, Mahesh.
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September 7th, 2012 at 6:05 amShenoy,
Never mind. Enjoy wallowing in your obfuscations. I refuse to stoop to your level.Praveen Saxena Reply:
September 6th, 2012 at 6:41 amShenoy Saab, Mohan , Pankajji
How can the insolence of Washington Post be tolerated ?. When the PM expects that the country that should remain “Khamosh” on his “Khamoshi” , then how can a foreign newspaper write on his failure to discharge his duties.
He said … “there is no question of my resignation” .. why should there be ? Is he accountable to the country ?… no ..but to the woman who appointed him ? I recall he has said in the past that he shall make way for Rahul Gandhi if he comes. So he can consider quitting… only if that situation arises…..none other.[Reply]
Anonymous Reply:
September 6th, 2012 at 7:49 amThis Khamosh, khamoshi and silent has become so famous that
people have started saying ‘ I have kept my phone on Manmohan mode ‘ when they keep their phones on silent mode.[Reply]
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An epic tale of the other
http://gulfnews.com/arts-entertainment/books/an-epic-tale-of-the-other-1.1067388
‘The Ramayana’ told from Ravan’s point of view, treated here as a fallen hero rather than as the villain
—–I am sure Ravi will love this book.
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AshokChauhan Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 6:50 amRavanayan is an age-old story. People from south must be familiar. Surprised somebody discovered it now.
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Ravi Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 7:37 amAshok.
Surely, Ramayana chronicles just one battle of the period of
“spread of the Aryan civilisation through the central-southern parts of the subcontinent as these areas progressively came under Hinduism.”However, that is looking at Ramayana as a Historical Document.
Devotees read it and interpret it differently, particularly if the devotees have been told to do so, together with supression by force of all other versions of the epic. The problem starts when a discussion takes place between a devotee and a historian, then no common ground exists upon which a sane discussion can take place, it soon degenerates into personal abuse, etc.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 7:55 am17 minutes since your post. Nobody has come forward yet to abuse you. Where is Shenoy ?
Ravi Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 7:59 am Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 8:14 amI see the Congressis gel so naturally with J…!!
Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 8:29 amThere you go buddy. How come others haven’t joined you in the chorus ?
Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 8:36 amHave you got some indigestion problem? You are unable to digest your meals unless followed up with some choicest abuse? What was the point you were trying to make in your first post on this thread?
Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 8:54 amBlog was getting boring since last few days, maybe to make it ‘interesting’ Mahesh was trying to incite we ‘Sanghis’.
Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 8:59 am . Clearly somebody took the bait.Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 9:25 amFake Ravi’s walrus mustache must have been twitching violently.
Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 9:30 amYou mean he dangled you the bait on his Walrus Moustaches and you fell for it ?
Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 10:11 amFake Ravi doesn’t need any bait to come and pollute this blog. What I am curious about is how you suddenly started throwing your poison darts all around on this blog
Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 10:13 amPoison Darts ?
Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 9:00 amOf course, it is no fun without one of these people around.
Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 9:05 amYou are right there is no fun in only ‘Sanghis’ agreeing and patting each other’s back. We need ‘ trolls’ and ‘ Jehadis’ to fight with us to make this blog lively.
Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 9:23 amVinodji must have sent urgent SOS to Mahesh and the just-waiting-outside-the-gate fake Ravi to conduct a rescue act.
Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 9:11 amNext time see if you can type in all Upper Case. It will have a yelling effect.
Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 9:23 amThis blog-space has taught me the art of abusing without inviting the wrath of censor or breaching the basic etiquette of posting in a public forum. You’ll have to look for a post in All Caps from someone else.
Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 9:11 amNext time see if you can type in all Upper Case. It will have a yelling effect.
Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 9:28 amMahesh only gets intoxication problem.
Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 9:20 amMahesh,
You are no weakling in the abuse department yourself.
Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 9:37 amArrey Shenoy Saahib. Aap apna lubhaavnaa andaaz kaise bhoola diye. Aakhirkaar woh Shwet-Lingam waali rachna ke rachnakar toh aap hi the naa.
Ab mooh mat pheriyegaa apni rachna se.Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 10:07 amji haan, ’shwetha lingam’ ka rachnakaar main hoon,
lekin usse munh mein rakh ke aap baithe hain!Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 9:37 amArrey Shenoy Saahib. Aap apna lubhaavnaa andaaz kaise bhoola diye. Aakhirkaar woh Shwet-Lingam waali rachna ke rachnakar toh aap hi the naa.
Ab mooh mat pheriyegaa apni rachna se.Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 8:13 amWho is a historian? Why do I need to believe his hi’’story”?
Not long ago. you had agreed that both Ram and Allah (whatever PBUH or similar) are fake on this very forum. So, what’s new about this now?
This gentleman has a book to sell – and that’s about it.
emotionalatyachaar Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 5:55 pmKaha sahi aap ne, kaun hai yeh historian,
kaun hai scientist agar na maane hum science ko mahaan;kyuon mein maanu kisi artist ko,
jab na samjhu mein art ke mahatwa ko;kaun kehta woh hai ek sureli gayak,
jab mein na samjhu raag mein pharak;hisrtorians na karte hain kaam hoke bhavuk,
sutra woh neekalte hain karke adhyan barso purana artefacts ko.Na Ram ya Allah ko hum karte hain aswikaar,
kuch cheeze hote aise jisme na kuch hota hai karne aviskaar.Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 9:19 amYou confine yourself to jihadi literature.
Ramayana is too good a subject to be discussed by fakes like you.
Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 9:12 amMohan Neelakantan is a young author taking artistic freedom/imagination to tell a story from another character’s perspective. While the artist has all the freedom to do this, the danger, especially in today’s electronic world is that at a time in future, this will be described by a future historian as the 301st Ramayana. . btw Ravana was never a bad king – from the praja perspective- in Aadi Kavi Valmiki’s Ramayana. He had blessings from the same set of Gods and Rishis as Rama had.
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September 7th, 2012 at 9:24 amThe beauty of our country is that everybody has liberty to write anything about almost everything specially if it is about Hindu Mythology. Some will be respected, few will be heavily criticized and many will be ignored.
I was expecting Ravi to pick this sentence from the article I had posted ” Neelakantan highlights how the advent of the Aryan civilisation led to the introduction of the caste system in the interiors of the country — a scourge which continues to plague society today.” Either he did not take the bait or he he did not read whole article .[Reply]
Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 10:25 amFuture Historians will have a lot to look at when they start looking.
Unlike today’s historians who use artefacts like “bakhars” – tomorrows artefacts are going to be large in number, requiring different – actually much different – set of analysis tools.
Their artefacts will be storage devices used by different public blog engines, Facebooks, Linkedins and yes HT blogs too.
Another interesting thing is – future historians would be in a lot better position to understand “commoner’s” opinions and sentiments. Much better than the current historians.[Reply]
Ravi Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 10:28 amWould it not be easier if they just
relied on their belief and pure speculation? Analysis and objectivity is for
wimps and weak willed.Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 10:47 amMahesh is being optimist and you, though sarcastically, are being pessimist. I have seen most of the times, pessimist win.
vijay ! Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 2:31 pmGood evening from GHouzhou. Will be leaving for Ukraine possibly flying over Tora Bora…
Will definately look down for one man, thru my binocs…. reading Martha Nuss –without – bum and Wendy Doniger…
Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 11:06 amMahesh
Good points.
However, the question is how will they sort out the wheat from the chaffe. The question of data vs information..ie Manohar extols UPA, Indian legal system etc, while BVS brings up UPA issues..multiply it by thousands..and the truth is somewhere in between
Anonymous Reply:
September 7th, 2012 at 5:27 pmGopi,
All said and done – there is no such thing as complete Objectivity. Don’t expect the historians to be “completely Objective”. You need to have a point of view – a stand – to make sense of things. Current historians have a point of view. Don’t expect future historians to be very different. After all, you need a bias and point of view to make sense of Data.
And yet – the real objectivity shines through when in defending and debating the methodologies and biases.
Try reading through the history of early days in quantum mechanics – you will understand . Historians are no different. -
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Anonymous Reply:
September 1st, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Sonia Gandhi is scheduled for a flight out to the US of A for a routine check-up tomorrow. I hope she has given instructions to the next in command to concede some ground for the BJP to re-think its position of disrupting the parliament.
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