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Kalam was a people’s president when he was propagating RSS agenda though his name carries some arabic words. Now Kalam has realised without congress there is no democracy-secularism in India, so he is now trying to shed his color. Otherwise history would remember him as a safron guided missile man
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
I agree with you. Kalam is a sambar-eating vegetarian, very unislamic habits. I saw one picture of him playing the Veena, another Hindu tradition!
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 3:50 pm
also because Dr Kalam respects his Brahmin teacher who identified his scientific capabilities and skills and made him go to college in spite of the family opposition
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Did they not teach you in RSS that there are Tamil speaking Muslims as well ? Or, does Reshimbaug ground in Nagpur needs a good revision on eating habits of Indians (Hindus and Muslims included).
Abu Ahmed Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 8:41 am
I love my Vada, Sambar, Idli, Uttappam – plain Dosa goes rather well with fried boneless mutton though. Try it once, if u can. Kalam is Indian Muslim, period. Those who question him on either count are neither Muslim nor Indian.
This is in response to Article ” Once there was a Hindutva Terror ” by Subhash Ghatade. This article was discussed at length in last blog.
While going through the whole article, what does one find , All so called terrors attributed to Hindus are COMPLETE HEARSAY. Every so called proof begins with statements like
“A special director of the Intelligence Bureau (IB) is understood to have recently told the state police ”
” Well placed police sources, told the Hindu that the entire incident was carried out at the behest of ”
A very long article with 99.5% of time is giving theories of writer with Hearsay for evidence.When NIA is not able to make Charge sheets against accused, it is not because they don’t have a case , but something else is cooking up.
It is not that there is no possibility of any Hindu ever getting involved with bomb blasts , but reading the article, one can definitely make an opinion how opinionated the writer is and it is better to flush this article to its proper place. I am surprised that this article was given such an importance. Is it our terribly falling Standards, Our terrible Biases , Entrapment in Phoney Intellectualism , or what ?
Ravi Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Classic. Don’t like message…attack the messenger.
The above assertion is a big baloney and not supported by any evidence from the article. Here I will re-post snippets in italics which are either supported by dates, names, incidents or identification of sources and in most cases all.
1. investigating agencies suspecting involvement of Hindutva activists in as many as 16 explosions across the country.’ (Deccan Herald, 23 Sep 2011, Anirban Bhaumik, New Delhi, Sep 20, DHNS)
Source identified as Deccan Herald. Why a “Special Director of IB” will not be identified is obvious, other-wise what would be the need of “Special Directorate”
2. Ganesh Prasad, a resident of Shiriyar village, at Jambur in Yedthady village coming under the limits of Brahmavar police station.It is learnt that Ganesh Prasad was an activist of a Hindutva outfit.
How much more specific does one have to be.
3. Police had clear evidence then itself that hindu extremists were behind this move who had desecrated the temple themselves (Saffron extremists desecrated temple to trigger riots: Cops, Times of India, 14 th April 2012). Within few days the Special Investigation Team of Central Crime Station arrested four hindu youths who were allegedly involved in temple desecration at Kurmaguda in Madannapet police station limits. The arrested youths were identified as GHMC sanitation superviser Nagaraj of Maddannapet, flower decorator Kiran Kumar, hotel waiter Ramesh alias Chinna and car driver Dayand Singh of Kurmaguda.
Source identified, culprits named, what is vague about this.
4. The Patiala Police on 16th February arrested five persons in connection with the series of bomb blasts in various districts of Haryana in 2009. The accused included one Sagar (alias Azad), chief of the Azad Organization under which these people were working. The Patiala SSP DP Singh told newsmen on 16th Feb. that four others have been identified as Sham Niwas, Gurnam Singh, Parveen Sharma and Rajesh Kumar, all residents of Haryana, says a news report published in The Tribune daily on 17th February. They allegedly carried out the blasts including one at a mosque to create a communal rift.
..The police said Sagar was the kingpin who had also taken credit for the blasts by approaching various media houses a day after the blasts.
( By TCN News, 20 February 2012 – 6:45pm)
Incident, investigation authority and culprits named.
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 3:43 pm
You are the messenger of death sent by the ISI.
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 3:53 pm
For anyone to attack the message, there has to be one. I couldn’t go thru the garbage after a few paragraphs. Unless proved otherwise in an Indian court under CrPC, there is no such thing as saffron terror (or anything similar) as you or the author may like to call it.
By the way, I had a wonderful short break of three nights in relatively cooler McLeodganj away from the searing heat of Delhi. I did miss this space though.
Ravi Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Entirely up to you.
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 4:21 pm
The following may mean a lot to you, nothing to me:
1. investigating agencies ’suspecting’ involvement of –
2. It is ‘learnt’ that Ganesh Prasad was an activist of –
3. Four hindu youths who were ‘allegedly’ involved in temple desecration at -
4. Sagar was the kingpin who had also taken credit for the blasts by approaching various media houses a day after the blasts – which media house?
Any convictions so far? Why?
And notably- no RSS (aise kaise)!!
Ravi Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 4:27 pm
As I said Ishwar, you read what you want to
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Congress is writing a new dictionary where Hindu suspect
and alleged Hindu will mean as confirmed culprit.
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 4:46 pm
And if he is a Hindu, he must be a part of some grand plan of the RSS to turn the nation upside down and kick all the muslims out of the country!!
If a hindu is arrested somewhere for an ‘alleged’ bomb-blast, Ravi (and not many others, thankfully) use it to immediately say that violence is the stated policy of RSS-BJP. However, when a Congressi is arrested in connection of corruption, does it mean by extension that ‘chori’ is the official policy of the party. Again, if we extend the same logic to Abhishek Manu Singhvi’s case, what would Congress stand for then?
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Many congress leaders – males only – would have loved to be in place of Singhvi, only they would not liked to be caught.
pankaj#1 Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 5:41 pm
That is what intrigues me. Any hindu name and secular brigade will fall over each other, to raise bogey of hindu terrorism. Bring a muslim name and despite of irrefutable evidence, secular brigade goes to a long slumber. This system of duplicity should be taken out root, branches and leaves.
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 3:44 pm
If there was a truth in this article than there would have been no RSS.
All their members would have been behind the bars and this organization
would have been dismantled. Even after four years in jail police have
not been able to file a case against Col. Purohit because of lack
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Also that bleeding heart secularist’s closing line is:
“Anybody can see such politically aware, socially conscious citizenry has always acted as a counterweight to the fundamentalist terrorist forces”
If this is true, then kerala will be the last place one would expect to have jehadis!
And they dont even have BJP/RSS there..
All hogwash, Indians better be very vigilant about domestic and foreign jehadism.
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Since when has Kerala started representing entire India ?
And yes – you would be better off selling your oft repeated increased Muslim percentage in some part of Kerala to fertility specialists than selling bridges here.
There are multiple interpretations of “truth” as in the famous movie Roshomon by kurosowa. The murder had six or so eye witnesses with each giving a different interpretation/colour.
Kalam is an honourable leader; I do not have any reason to doubt/question his assertions.
Kalam books rumour mongers,
Vinod Sharma charge-sheets them,
N.Ram prosecutes them,
Shekhar Gupta sentences them
Rajdeep Sardesai hangs them.
And Vinod Sharma declares, “Kalam’s book settles the debate”
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 3:55 pm
That is a forceful line up.
BJP betetr learn to play the agme, get good paid journalists
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Barkis is willing.
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 4:32 pm
a) The rumour mongers propagated the ‘myth’ that Dr Kalam didn’t allow Sonia to be the prime minister.
b) Sonia never wanted to be the PM – she was the ‘tyaag ki devi’
c) Dr. Kalam says he didn’t have an option but to appoint her as PM if asked.
May be I am too dumb to see a big deal here to get so excited about.
manohar_T Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 5:00 pm
1) Dr. Kalam has demolished the myth that he did not allow Sonia Gandhi to be sworn in as the Prime Minister. That is settled, unless one wishes to cast aspersions on him and say he has spoken half truth or is lying. The question as to why he is doing so is not being answered, unless one wishes to question his honesty or credentials or attribute motives. The second question – who benefits (if at all) from his revelations also needs to be answered? In my view, he is setting the record straight.
2) Why did Sonia Gandhi not choose to be the PM? That question remains unanswered. Whether it was her ‘inner voice’ or intense external pressure or any other, we may not know, unless she writes her memoirs and chooses to give out the reasons. Till such time – speculators can have a field day or months and years.
3) The two above are unrelated. Now let me recap then as to what happened then.
a) She got herself elected as the head of the Congress Parliamentary Party as well as that of the UPA. A master stroke, as Vinodji has alluded to above.
b) For three days before the new Government was sworn in, whenever she appeared in public / in front of TV cameras, Dr. Manmohan Singh was always besides her, yet the press and the world was intensely speculating as to who the Prime Minister would be, only N Ram (of The Hindu) told everyone – ” Can’t you all see, it is Dr. Manmohan Singh”?
There is a slight inaccuracy in your write-up.
The President at the time of Gujarat genocide was Mr. K R Narayanan, who was equally upset as the press reports at the time said. Dr. A P J Kalam was elected president on 25th July 2002.
Other than that, your write up is entirely appropriate. Dr. Kalam has laid to rest the rumour mongering by the hatemongers.
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Kr Narayanan, a fellow Malayali, was quite useless..his notable achievement being elevating another unqualified useless fellow Malayali KG Balakrishnan chief justice of indian Supreme court- and setting an example of the first CJ to make money hands over fist – and walking free
manohar_T Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 4:35 pm
You didn’t have to say it so explicitly. Anyone who opposes RSS/BJP/Modi is either a cheapshot or useless, as per yardstick owned by Gopi Thomas.
I suppose now in your book Dr. Kalam too is one such person.
Guest Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Kalam is an honourable man. (so also Nehru, although i am disappointed in him as to what it could have been)
Narayanan is gutter grade; his pet chief justice Balakrishnan even worse than that. Balakrishnan was the first chief justice of India who knew how to make money by rearranging cases.
Narayanan gutter/Balakrishnan garbage
manohar_T Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 4:44 pm
You do not have confirm to what Gopi just said.
Having passed judgments and given grades to others, what about yourself – what class / grade do you consider yourself to be in?
Ravi Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 5:00 pm
1. Any one who is anti Hinduatva, is anti Hindu and therefore anti India.
2. Any democratic process which delivers a result that he does not like, is a flawed democratic process and should be replaced by Dictatorship.
3. That yellow ball one sees in the sky, came out of Modi’s arse (or *** for American Blogers)
4. Muslim’s are a vote bank, and Hindus are normal.
5. Congress can never and has never beaten the BJP (see 6)
6. Only the BJP can beat the BJP.
7. Keralite Christians are so in love with Hinduism, that they choose to adopt Hindu names.
8. The RSS is a benign social work organisation who just wants to preserve noble hundu traditions
9. B V Shenoy is a gentleman.
All right alright the 9th one I just made-up
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 5:26 am
Fake Ravi is actually Ravi Osama heading Al Qaeda in Tora Bora.
As jihadis don’t know the meaning of the word gentleman, fake Ravi can never imagine that there can be gentlemen in India.
Muslims are the reason why there came into being the expression, “Vote Banks”.
besides Muslims, SCs too act as vote banks, which is why Muslims and Christians fall over each other to appropriate SCs and dalits as their own. AJAGAR, KHAM, MY etc are proof of such efforts.
Their historians, mainly from the JNU school of thought have already proved that SCs. STs. dalits are not Hindus (unless certified by Romila Thapar as such).
manohar_T Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:17 am
I like the point no 6.
Only the BJP can beat the BJP.
That also echoes what Gopi has been saying all along about the BJP.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 5:13 am
And KG Balakrishnan’s only achievement as chief justice of India is to save Sonia Gandhi from certain political ignominy and shame in the case of her Oxford graduate claim in her electoral papers.
It is a bigger fraud compared to Pranab’s slip on ISI.
Nehru wrote his autobiography when he was in jail.
I think Sonia Gandhi too should do a stint in jail, to get inspired to write her “own” story.
Some may say, 10Janpath is a veritble jail; but it keeps her so busy she can’t even speak, leave alone write something about herself and how she is persecuted by the Hindus, whom Vinod Sharma has given the very respectable name of rumour mongers.
Now, her inner circle can get cracking.
There were several discussions on rumor mongering, lies etc from a propaganda/electoral perspective.
Spreading lies, falsehoods, fear etc are unfortunately landmarks of all democracies.
In the heated presidential contest here, Fox news is perpetually spreading:
- Obama is a Muslim (they have already spread fears about Muslims)
- Obama does not want to provide his transcripts at Harvard because he was a poor student
- Obama is born in Kenya
- Obama is a socialist
Ravi Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 4:28 pm
I thought Obama was the former head of Al Qaida and now dining Fish Sans Chips.
Rumor has it that he is a Black राक्षस
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 4:36 pm
They have not stated that, although the widespread belief among h the “tea party” (extreme right wing here ) is that bin Laden has not been caught or killed (where is the body?)
Tea party also always refer to him as Barck Hussein Obama
Ravi Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
The Boston Tea Party in Bristol is a great tea shop. Scone Jam and Clotted Cream are just out of this world.
I think the Mullahs have realised that a quick and only marginally less violent way to facilitate the Muslims take over the world is to dub Obama a Muslim.
How many Americans think that MMS is a Muslim??
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 4:44 pm
The people who know of India and MMS (may be 3%) know the story.
Who knows what the Tea Partys think. Recently a Sardarji was killed because they thought he is a Muslim/Taliban. My understanding is that 3 or 4 Sardarjis were killed immediately after the 9/11 thinking they are Muslim Talinbans.
Ravi Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Well there you go Binoy. So what credibility about rumors emanating in the US.
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Rumors, falsehoods etc are mainstream in US elections. Rupert Mudroch’s Fox organization has significantly enhanced the sleaze. There is 35% of the population who believe in what Fox says
Ravi Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
In India, Dr Kalam has just shot Hindu Right’s FOX
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 5:08 am
from the authentic information I have, most Pakistanis and even Al Qaeda operatives living in the US claim to be Indians and do their best to convince sceptical Americans and even Indians!
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 5:05 am
The npresent head of Al Qaeda, Tora bora branch is Ravi Osama (bina lalten).
What is your opinion about BJP ‘collective IQ” – why would they go after to “disqualify” Pranab due to his affiliation with ISI..
Congress can just sit there-BJP will do the job for them!
manohar_T Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 5:33 pm
As per my information and what I could make out from the Institute’s website is that the Finance Minister is the Chairman of the Institute by virtue of being the FM, once he demits the office of the FM, he ceases to be the Chairman. I may be wrong though. We will know by 3 PM tomorrow. The Institute’s director has already clarified that Pranab Mukherjee had indeed resigned on 20th June.
Regarding, the BJP and its collective IQ (does it stand for Intelligence Quotient or Idiocy Quotient?), we have discussed ad nauseum as to what ails it.
Whether raking up this issue is right or wrong can be debated. In a way it is right – if Pranab Mukherjee has not resigned (if he is supposed to resign, that is), then the fault is entirely his and of his team, and that would be a Himalayan blunder.
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 5:52 pm
It is stupid of BJP to go on these technicalities, especially when they know they do not have enough votes to influence..
I am afraid Congress led coalition will win by default (and incompetency of BJP)
manohar_T Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Here is something the BJP conceded and yet went ahead with their demand
“Interestingly, the party conceded that the post of chairperson, ISI, comes under those which have been exempted under the office of profit rules but insisted this applies only to MPs and MLAs and not the President of India”.
manohar_T Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 4:26 am
Correction. The FM does not automatically become the Chairman of the ISI. Mr Mukherjee has been the Chairman since 2004.
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 5:37 pm
As far has I am concerned issue of President is settled. Pranab Da is confirmed as a next Preident of India. BJP should not waste their time and energy on this issue, as it is not going to help thir cause. They seriously need a good PR and sooner the better.
manohar_T Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Mohan and Gopi
Not so fast. Anything can happen between now and 19th July. Suppose JD(U) and the SS decide not to vote for him? IMO, the race is still open.
The reason SS has decided to vote for a ‘Congressman’ is due to local politics in Maharashtra. The NCP led by Ajit Pawar is busy demolishing the support base of the SS and the BJP and has been successful, hence the SS is cosying up to the Congress to counter the NCP. The BJP is not much of a help (with the two factions – Gadkari and Munde – preoccupied with fighting among themselves).
Why JD(U) is voting for him? I can only guess
1) Wanting a special package from the centre?
2) Sending a message to BJP – re: Modi – that we have alternate ally (the Congress). Hence, do not take us for granted and listen to us.
manohar_T Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 4:27 am
Good PR can never sell a bad product. Improve the product and you may not need good PR.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 4:57 am
Looking at Congress even worst product can be sold by good PR. But yes BJP should improve and change their style
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 4:58 am
Particularly foreign made “goods”.
manohar_T Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 5:09 am
Depends on people’s perception as to whose product is better. Currently, it looks like the Congress has a better product – what with that ‘phoren’ coating.
BTW, why does the BJP wants to be a B-Team and ape the Congress?
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 5:10 am
Gopiji’s three quotes on BJP keep coming in my mind.
manohar_T Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 5:25 am
About A-Team and B-Team
The A-Team has made a royal mess of things. Imagine the disasters awaiting us, if the B-Team is put in-charge.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 4:56 am
It is a slip born out of over confidence and invincibility.
What is the reading in UK about EU?
Their economic problems aside, are the pundits and populace there happy that they did not join Euro (now that Euro union is in deep mess).
Will Euro- single currency union without political union – survive? What is the Pundit opinion there?
Ravi Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
My reading is that there is a core of anti Europe people here who vote for UKIP, they would probably be around 5% of the population.
There are some Eurosceptics in the Labour Party but not as many as in the Tory Party.
There are not many Eurosceptics in the Liberal Party.
We will have another Refrendum on Europe in about 5 years time and the answer would be the same as it was when last this question was asked.
UK will stay in Europe but some Brits will always moan about it.
Greece/Portugal/Ireland economies would have suffered even if they were not a part of the EURO zone. These economies have structural issues, but it is easier to blame it on the EURO.
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Winds of Euro-skepticism appear to be flowing more in Greece and Spain than in UK.
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 8:26 pm
UK is not a part of euro
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:28 am
I know. I also know you don’t read.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 8:35 am
after absenting yourselves for so many days, and making some people here demand of Pathak ji your immediate return, one would have expected a refreshed Mahesh to make all of us laugh happily with your jokes and over-the-top yarns.
But, you have disappointed even your friends here by being more abusive than even fake Ravi.
Mahesh, honestly, not expected of you.
manohar_T Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Ravi and Gopi
This European Union has been a bad idea from the start (I am not talking from hindsight, I have held this view since the 80s).
1) A union to be successful has to be between equals (*).
2) There is already a NATO shield, hence defence was not an issue.
3) In my view, this was plan by Germany and France to have a hegemony over the rest of Europe.
4) Having a common currency – the Euro – has been a disaster.
5) Not having a common language has been another stumbling block. Perhaps.
What they should have done (not an exhaustive list) is
1) to have the common currency – the euro – for cross border trade with MFN status across the continent and each country should have retained its own currency for internal business.
2) to maintain some border controls to minimise the number of people walking into another country for employment and livelihood.
3) to have uniform custom duties (if possible) on goods and services.
Today, the Mediterranean countries have caused havoc across Europe and there is no mechanism to isolate them to minimise the effect beyond their borders.
Does this make sense?
* By some ‘miracle’, tomorrow if India and Pakistan were to settle all their disputes and decide to become one country again, it would be a disaster solely due to the economies of the two countries.
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Most importantly – it was a monetary union and not a economic one.
Germany stood to gain most out of it. With the break-down German losses would be phenomenal.
And yes – Indo-Pak monetary union (same currency with minimal trade barriers) would be vastly advantageous to India. Less so to China. And even lesser to US.
Pakistan would benefit too.
Here – more importantly – such a union would obliterate the cross-border war talk and animosity. Not necessarily a bad thing . p.s. : Folks, back here after long. Was unable to visit due to very very heavy work pressure. My sincere apologies if any discussions were cut short.
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 8:11 pm
“Here – more importantly – such a union would obliterate the cross-border war talk and animosity.”
I love your naivety.
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 8:25 pm
nonsense more than naivette
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:12 am
Much better than the communal BS you are peddling.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 4:49 am
I like the word naivety, particularly when applied to **** loving Mahesh’s of this blog, who are all but separated at birth.
Keep Wallowing !!!
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 8:28 am
would you prefer non-sense as Binoy used, to naive?
What is so Naive about it ?
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:17 am
I will again copy what you had written.
” Here – more importantly – such a union would obliterate the cross-border war talk and animosity”
If you really believe in Pakistan state that they will forget
animosity than I think you are being naive.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:27 am
Mohan,Please see my response to Pankaj above.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:38 am
It has sustained for so many years and I don’t see any reason why it will stop. The main agenda of Pakistan is
to harm and ultimately destroy India. The country where from the very young age the children are taught hate India, hate non believers, I do not expect anything positive coming out
that country. You may think that I am a hate monger or
a hard liner but I know what I am saying as I have met many
Pakistanis and I have heard lot of stories from Pakistan
to form my view.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:52 am
Hatred against India was smaller part of the game Pakistani defence establishment engaged in. Remember , though a militaristic regime – it is still part of ruling class, with all its in-securities and tactics to maintain its grip on the state. Its sustenance has stemmed more from its involvement as a strategic ally with US. I am not denying the strong adversarial under-currents and the notoriety ISI has involved in . However, you need much more to sustain yourself than just hatred. Plus, off late India – despite all the history (which , btw, will keep casting its dark shadow time and again) – appears to be willing as well to iron out some contentious issues.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 7:25 am
Hatred was a smaller part in the beginning but now it has become the major part. India will keep on forwarding olive
branch but in reply they will keep on attacking us through their terrorist activities and flooding our country with fake notes. You believe that problems can be solved diplomatically but I don’t accept that argument. It is a long process but the only way of dealing with Pakistan is to isolate
them completely. I am not talking of war, India should cut off
relations with them completely and use their clout in whatever field they have to urge/force other nations to stop dealing with them – a sort of apartheid.- It may take a decade
or two but I am quite confident that it will have a desirable effect.
manohar_T Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 8:08 am
You are being naive. Sanctions have never been very effective – total isolation is not going to happen – there are many countries who are ready to do business, if the price is right.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 8:24 am
Sanctions do have effect but not as we would desire.
In last 6-8 months Iranian currency has depreciated to
more than half its value and because of this the cost of their
imports have more than doubled. My own business with
Iranian customers have come to a complete halt. For how long these countries can keep on doing trade at the ‘right price’.
It cannot be sustained for long term. As I said earlier that
it is a long term process and it will ultimately have an effect.
Public in these countries will get fed up and will demand a change from their rulers.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 8:27 am
today’s abusive word seems to be ‘naive’. Everybody is using it for everybody else. including Mahesh.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 8:48 am
Good to know that. I hope that very soon we will reach
a level where only abusive word/words will be ‘ I don’t agree with you.’
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 10:15 am
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 8:41 am
Some thing wrong with the edit button.
I will continue here–
Sanctions are very inflationary. More smaller the country, the effect is more IN Zimbabwe what you can get for 10 – in their local currency – in the morning, you have to pay 15 for the
same item in the evening. The currency has lost its value almost completely. Most of the trade there – even if you want to buy a loaf of bread – is conducted in US Dollars.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 9:52 am
First, Isolating Pakistan will only play into the hands of hard-liners.
Secondly, cutting off relations with Pakistan may not be entirely possible and realistic. Remember, we are playing together in Afghanistan too.
Third, my sense is – given the relations with US turning bad Pakistani establishment is probably already feeling the heat. A lot like waking up with hangover from last night’s “let us fight the war on terror and let the defence bureaucracy make some money while we are at it” party. From this perspective – another mis-adventure with India is going to be lot more costly.
Fifth, this still doesn’t rule out the possibility of some folks in the Pakistani establishment not exactly fancying the warming up with India.
Sixth, there is legacy. which refuses and will keep refusing to go away and make its presence felt time and again. And the legacy of Indo-Pak relations is not particularly good one.
pankaj#1 Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 am
What aboout the bas…who will work with state to subvert and harm India. Examples are ISI, Kayani et al, Financial institutions like BCCI of past, and Habib bank of present. You stiull do not recognize with whom you are dealing?? First finish this Nasoor, a real one, and then talk of reproachment.You have some idea or you are busy in your cuckooland.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:25 am
Let me ask you a few basic questions.
What has been sustaining anti-India hatred peddled by Pakistani Establishment so far ? Further ahead, how long do you think it can be sustained ?
BTW, forget the cuckoos – Doves sing much better.
manohar_T Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 4:17 am
Whether such a union would be possible only time will tell. SAARC was supposed to be a pilot car of such an journey, but alas.
Watching Pakistan TV programmes on YouTube, there is a section (may be miniscule in number) of opinion that it is better for Pakistan to have more trade relations with India (just across the fence), instead of importing goods and services from Timbuktu and adding unnecessary transport costs. Recent initiatives from their side – desire to import petroleum products, railway locomotives (the Railway Board at the moment has turned down the request on some non-technical issues) – the USA and China have badly let them down in this regard – and even power. It will take time for these initiatives to fructify or if there is a ‘miracle’.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 4:46 am
long lay off from the blog has dulled your thinking process. Pakistan has gone far beyond monetary unions and such fuddy-duddy ideas. Now the only thing that sustains the nation is the fear of India. Read Times of India of last Sunday for confirmation.
The only thing that can benefit Pakistani people is breaking of that country into five new, smaller nations with distinct nationalities. Like it did to Bangla Desh.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:35 am
A stable non-adversarial Pakistan is in Indian interest.
We are neither capable of bringing about break-up of Pakistan , nor should we do that.
A little curious – these days what are they mixing with Cinnamon sharbat in your Prabhaat Shakha ?
manohar_T Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 7:32 am
A stable non-adversarial Pakistan is ‘not’ in the interests of the Hindutvawadis. They need permanent enemies for their raison d’etre. The enemy provides them with their daily hate-diet, which they spew at the drop of a khakhi knicker. They have their counterparts across the border.
The Hindutvawadis have also forgotten history or rather choose to ignore it. Germany fought two world wars with its neighbours and countries beyond. Japan was on the opposite of the USA in WW2. Today, look at relations between these once adversarial nations.
It may take longer with power holders in Pakistan to realise the futility of being hostile with a neighbour, which is progressing and marching ahead, in spite of it.
PS: I thought they drink bitter-gourd juice out there – going by the amount of bitterness that he vomits by the minute towards his ‘dushmans’ – its all dushum, dushum, dushum.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 9:37 am
You only know what the congress party’s and JNU historians want you to believe.
Germany might have fought two WWs, Japan might have been bombed. But they didn’t have Islam to fight for and die for.
If you try to understand what this Islamic jihad connotes, you will sleep a little wiser.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 9:07 am
if you do not already know, today is the 40th anniversary of Shimla agreement. You can privately review the progress bilateral relations have made during these four decades. And then you will realise all this separated-at-birth romanticism is a whole lot of bull shit.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 9:12 am
You can add donkey’s, horse’s and dog’s shit to that also.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 9:14 am
But Mahesh understands only bull shit!
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 9:28 am
Please try not to bring in your fetish during discussions.
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 7:51 pm
These both countries Germany and France were the main force behind the introduction of Euro. Germany decided not to have referendum – rumors at that time were public will reject the concept of Euro-. France referendum was barely in favour of Euro.
50.1% yes against 49.9% no. The treaty to introduce common currency was signed at a city called Maastricht. People later started calling it Mass Trick treaty. The main idea behind this was to reduce the whole world’s over dependence on US Dollar.
Now they are in catch-22 situation. To maintain the Euro they have to keep on funding small countries like Greece and Portugal who are spending more then they should or let Euro disintegrate.
manohar_T Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 4:24 am
By all means they should have the euro – as a counter to dollar but solely restricted for cross border trade.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 4:53 am
Chidambaram must have taken a leaf out of the Germans’ manipulation of the voting machines to get a majority.
Anonymous Reply:July 2nd, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Euro was bound to fail – you cannot have sovereign nations deprived of their ability to control monetary supply (printing notes).
A monetary union without political union works well in the go go days like the ones world had till the subprime and lending crises. Once it started unravelling, elected politicians could not do anything, other than listening to the unelected bureaucrats of European central bank.
The dominoes have started falling – Ireland yesterday, Greece today, Spain tomorrow, Italy two days down.,
manohar_T Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 4:22 am
“A monetary union without political union works well in the go go days”
True. However, when a union of this magnitude was set in motion, one should have been prudent enough to look at the dooms-day scenarios and have contingent plans in place.
Chandrababu Naidu is attempting a “Jagan Reddy” trick in organizing a statewide march in support of farmers.
It will be a no-show!
It was the greatest mistake to appoint Mr.Kalam as the PRESIDENT of India.And it would have been worst if Sonia Gandhi was made the Prime Minister of India.Prime Minister of spaghetti yes.This post would have suited her the best and of course her chgildren.
For her own good Sonia Gandhi should leave India.Quit India.
Why is the Indian press spending time on what an ex-president is going to write in an upcoming book, or about Mamta-UPA fight or about Nitin-Modi fight when real people are dying of real problems because of Govt mismanagement.
Three or four major things that appeared in the American newspapers/TV coverage today:
- Farmer suicide increasing; Maharashtra had more suicides last year than the prior year; and that state leads in Farmer suicides worldwide
- Maternal mortality rate abysmal – with Assam, UP, Bihar, MP, Rajasthan at subsaharan levels
- Assam floods, apparently GOI/state govt essentially considering the vast flooding, displacement, and deaths (80 or so) as normal business; Govt does not have any special programs, efforts to control and manage
Are these true or is American media doing a biased reporting?
If these are true, is the media (or at least a couple of newspapers/magazines, channels) going after these, and holding the respective ministers, government departments etc responsible to fix these? ,
pankaj#1 Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 am
Fasih is responsible for tranforming SIMI to IM. M.F. Hussains of this blog have closed eyes on this. They remember only, Modi, RSS, Abhinav bharat and all that. shame on all of you.
I read 59 comments and I had to write something on Hon Dr. Kalam. He needs someone defending him. I must salute all those that were defending, but I have no anger or malice towards those who were spilling negative comments on him. They are doing that based on how much bad they have seen in the society, and among people in public lives. This is my attempt to clarify — doing my civic duty.
If I have to pick one person in India with integrity in spite of his proximity to politicians and one person who was not affected by any political parties and his/her own personal agendas, I have to pick Hon President Kalam. The person that has child like innocence, grand parent like kindness, teacher like persuasive tone, rishi like relinquishment, most likely a genius in wit and intellect, honest in every scientific effort — Dr. Kalam to me was the best president India could ever had. I believe he stayed pretty apolitical through all this. There are people calling him names — very strangely , south Indian and “sambar eating muslim” are the two names he was called as though they are insults in these posts. The beauty was Dr. Kalam to most of us was no South or North Indian, not affected by any religion but an Indian with pride from head to toe. Do not malign everyone that is in the lime light, just because they were able to reach heights. There are some good ones too. To me Hon Dr. Kalam is one of them. If he wrote something and described it happened that way — I don’t see any reason not to trust him.
Mr.Vinod Sharma is a die hard congress and it is not possible to get an objective view from him. He states that 2002 Gujarat riot was unprecedented overlooking the riots of 1969Gujrat riots. Further he does not analyse the Congress party’s anipathy towards Kalam.
Akshat Shankar Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 8:44 am
A Factual Mistake also…K R Narayanan was the President and not Kalam during the Gujarat riots. Kalam became president 6 months later.
Factually incorrect…..” and the withdrawal of support by the Left to the UPA over the Indo-US nuclear deal.”. Kalam was not the president then.
“The ‘myth’ propagated since 2002 was that she gave up the high office at Kalam’s behest on the foreign origin question.”….This happened in 2004 and not in 2002.
Vinod Sharma definitely loosing touch. Too long on the payroll makes you forget your core skills.
Husband: My wife and I have Olympian sex
Friend: Wow, must be a terrific sex life
Husband: Not really, it only happens once in four years.
Good morning friends.
manohar_T Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:18 am
Does this happen in some stadium, being Olympian in nature?
A must read
Escape to victory, from India to the U.S.
Out now is economist Padma Desai’s recreation of “An Indian Woman’s American Journey” that focuses on her emotional odyssey out of India’s scandalous social repressions.
Free, at 80, to speak out honestly and unashamedly, Desai’s is a classic immigrant tale. She moved to America in 1968 to escape her terrible lot in India — a fate truly worse than death. She is a distinguished professor at Columbia University, a Padma Bhushan winner, the product of intellectual privilege, raised in a middle-class Gujarati Brahmin family in the 1930s, in small-town Surat. Her father had won a graduate scholarship to Cambridge University and returned home, a professor of English.
Desai worshipped “Father” as mentor and followed his example by concentrating on academic achievements: ranked second among 48,000 students in the state-wide matriculation exam, she’d missed being first by only two marks. Still, she won no praise, no encouragement from a father who, despite her love and loyalty, comes across as an unfeeling, rule-bound patriarch who refuses to appreciate, compliment or support his gifted daughter.
A man of contradictions, he teaches — and deeply admires — the works of Shakespeare, the Romantic poets and of Thomas Hardy. But, in his own life and family, the professor exhibits none of the Bard’s humanism, the Romantics’ liberalism or Hardy’s immense empathy for exploited Victorian women, whom middle-class Indian women — including his own much-wronged daughter — closely resembled in their pure innocence. In fact, he harps on her “unlucky birth on a moonless night,” claims to be a social reformer opposing dowry, while arranging marriages for all his children within their subcaste. He rescues his brother’s shaven-headed widow and brings her into his home but then, that’s where his liberalism ends. Like most widows of the time, she cooks, cleans and runs his home. She is the loving aunt to whom Desai dedicates the book for being the trusted surrogate parent “who endured.” The “Mother,” a manic-depressive incapable of loving her children, was forever indulged by Father. But when the young Desai graduated first class and won a fully-paid scholarship to Bombay University, he warned her that the achievement will be her “crown of thorns.”
At Harvard, Desai meets and befriends visiting economist Jagdish Bhagwati who falls in love with her and patiently waits out the nine years it takes her to escape the ill-fated marriage which had already ended when she left India.
The roller-coaster dissolution of that sacramental marriage is the climactic horror story at the heart of this memoir: the incredible legal entrapment of the Hindu Marriage Act of 1955 which drove Desai to a phoney religious conversion — the only permissible grounds for a judicial separation, if her husband agreed. He did — after years of denying her a divorce — then recanted. Her Christian conversion was in vain.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:59 am
Have we not heard such stories many times? Has not India changed
since then? Earlier women used to have a problem getting divorce from
their bad marriages and now men are facing similar problem. This law
498 is 100% in favour of women and they can create a hell of problem
using this law. Even not talking to your wife and not replying her will
be considered cruel under this law and you can be punished. A woman has to just go to the police
station and give a statement that her in laws are demanding dowry and
without any proof the whole family will be in jail.
manohar_T Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 8:01 am
The main theme is that she got away in those bad old days. Today with more women being educated – it is easier to escape.
Earlier, it was advantage men, today it is advantage women to certain extent, in the sense her complaints are looked into more seriously than before, remember though it is one-woman – vs – the family.
I believe the parliament is in the process of amending the act to make the law more balanced, so it will be a level playing field and all these ‘frivolous’ complaints from either side would be subject to a closer scrutiny, before any action is taken.
Majboor Aurat Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 8:48 am
That explains why the Assamese MLA assaulted three days ago had to convert to Islam – she simply needed a divorce from her husband.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 8:56 am
But she was already in a bigamous relationship!
One interesting anecdote about Amir Khan’s recent Satyamev Jayate episode.
Recent episode featured a person working at Tehelka – narrating his affair with alcohol. The quantum of his daily consumption at the Press Club evenings appeared really staggering (amounting to about 10 pegs).
What left me aghast was comment made by a young guy from my team – his 6 Pegs of Rum is not at all bad compared to 10 Pegs. The guy is not a regular drinker – but parties hard when at it. Interesting to see how and which part of the message percolates.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 8:00 am
After this programme I have delayed my daily drinking by 10 minutes.
I have seen all the programmes of Satyameva Javate including this
one and have found them interesting. – Aamir Khan has announced that
he is planning to come up with second season – . !0 pegs daily is definitely a sign of an alcoholic and even 6 pegs occasionly also I don’t
consider a decent drinking habit. A regular drinker will know when he is
going to get ‘high’ and he/she should stop immidietely but I have seen
many people love/enjoy getting drunk. My motto has been – drinking
is not bad, getting drunk is bad. What I learnt from this programme of which I was not aware of that alcoholism is a disease. Once a person realizes this – the problem is most of the alcoholics don’t – he can get himself cured.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 8:45 am
Something on daru.
Kisi ne Ghalib se kaha : Suna hai jo sharab peete hai unki dua
kabool nahi hoti .
Ghalib bole : Jinhe sharab mil jaaye unhe dua ki zaroorat hi nahi hoti.
~~ BADE BHAIYAA~~ achcha hai hai Sonia nahi bani~~ we would have become the joke of the world !!!!
@ Vinod Sharma
If I call you uncle … you may feel insulted as you do make all the pretty girls on TV blush… so I will call you bade bhaiyya!!
Are’nt you glad that Sonia did not become PM? We would have been the only nation in the world bowin not only before a dynasty… but also to a daughter in law of a dynasty. Which other country in the world has done this?
Even North Korea has only chosen to go as per sons. Cuba, the COngress’ other inspiration has gone till the brother. Pakistan has goen in for a husband. And the COngress last model, Saudia only allows the strainght line blue bloods BUT then has no time for women.
So rather than creating spin that the gaddi was there fro the asking for Sonia G, revel in the thought that she did not take it.
Since you know many a high and mighty, why don’t you suggest on TV channels that Rabri Devi should be nominated as the P of Italy and see the reactions?
There is life in diginity and democracy… not in naukercy!!
So vinod ji… bat for democracy!
“Why should the Congress party be hitched to the Nehru-Gandhi family like train compartments to the engine?”…….Narasimha uwacha.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 9:06 am
Because all other in that party consider themselves useless. They never
use their own brain as they have got used to bending, crawling and taking orders from high command.
I think Narasimha Rao is the ONLY congressman ever born who had the guts to ask such a question. I salute him fo refusing to crawl or even bend before the Rajmata.
pankaj#1 Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 10:36 am
PV Narsimha Rao was true son of India.
A famous story of a scorpion which I am sure you all would have heard.
A scorpion wanted to cross a river and asked a frog to help him.
Frog said ‘ No I won’t as I suspect that you will sting me ”
Scorpion assured him that he will never do such a thing to someone who is
going to help him. Frog allowed scorpion to sit on his back and crossed the river. The moment they reached another side, scorpion bit the frog. Surprised,
and upset the dying frog asked him why ? Scorpion said ” Stinging and spreading poison is my nature. This is what I always do.”
That is Pakistan for you guys. SCORPION.
vijay ! Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 9:51 am
Really good… really apt !
~~~ WHAT A FRAUD, MANIPULATIVE, CHEATING GOVERNMENT !~~~
An issue which I have highlighted before is that the Congress central government has crossed all limits of partisan behavior, treating central funds as if they are personal funds.
We have heard Sonia on her election campaign saying , “we have sent money… to the state…”
We= personal money?
Further on to get Pranab Mukherji elected, the COngress gave 20,000 crores to Bihar and promised a 90,000 crores package to UP.
The Bihar package was not given when Nitish was with the BJP. Maywait as she opposed COngress never got the UP package.
Is this personal money of the centre?
Are BJP/NDA/Non Congress governments not Indians?
Shame again on the Congress and Pranab Mukherji.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 9:31 am
you are absolutely right.
On a different note, compared to Pranab Babu’s election, Sonia Gandhi didn’t have to dispense large doles to demurring states even in the election of a crook with a large caravan of family crooks to the president’s post. I am referring to Pratibha Patil.
vijay ! Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 9:40 am
Sab gol maal hai..
Nauker hi bemisaal hai…!
Today is the fortieth anniversary of the infamous Shimla Agreement.
after four decades, there is only Shimla, but no agreement.
Today was the day four decades ago, when the victorious nation surrendered all advantages of the victory and went on bended knees in front of a defeated Bhutto, begging him to sign the agreement!
India agreed to release 93000 Pakistani war prisoners and retrurned 14000 sq.kms. of our land to the vanquished country. All for nothing.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 10:10 am
The two govts just announced another foreign ministers’ meeting!
We are god st spending good money after bad.
We should totally ignore Pakistan, fortify our borders, gather intelligence.. talk only when there is a clear authority there..
We should structure a covert or overt relationship with US to jointly denuke that country.
~~~ MORE CONGRESS LIES AND SPIN ~~ PV Rao blamed for Bhopal !! ~~
Rajiv Gandhi was the PM when the Bhopal tragedy happened. Arjun Singh was the CM of Madhya Pradesh.
During the tragedy, Arjun SIngh fleed away from Bhopal and hid himself in his palace.
When Warren Anderson came to India — as chairman of a comapny which killed 25,000 Indians, Arjun Singh bowed before him and treated him as a “gora’ god. In the same manner as many COngressis and Media people become slaves in front of the white Sonia and Rahul.
There is a video of Arjun Singh accompanying Anderson to the Airport and literally shoepolishing Warren Anderson.
Well Arjun SIngh is a COngressman of three generations of crime. His father was in jail as a Minister of Nehru –imprisoned for Fraud, corruption and cheating, Arjun Singh’s record is there for all to see and his son cloated the infamous Churhat Lottery to collect money from all over India.
Even after his death, Arjun Singh has left behind a book where he claims P V NARASIMHA RAO WAS BEHINDE WARREN ANDERSON’S RELEASE !!!!
WHAT A CROOK!! WHAT A CROOKED CONGRESS AND ITS SPIN DOCTORS.
PV Rao was probably the best COngress PM.
Today the Dynastic and Sick COngress has blamed him for the 1984 riots
Then blamed him for the escape of Warren Anderson.
Wah Wah !! Kya character hai !! Kya Congressis ki slavery hai… to dynasties…
vijay ! Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 9:49 am
PV Rao was also blamed for Babri Masjid, the “failure” of liberalaisation and what not!! BY CONGRESSIS !
But Mani Shankar Aiyar blames Narasimha Rao for introducing liberalisation!
vijay ! Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 9:54 am
Its a funny world. ABu Jundal is caught… so his sperm product here starts shouting RSS, BJP to divert attention.
At the centre everyone is bad… PV Rao, especially so. But Rajiv, Quotrochchi, SOnia G, Baby G are dhoodhiya white.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 10:00 am
Very funny autobiography of Arjun Singh.
While blaming Narasimha Rao for the Babri Masjid ram Mandir disputed structure’s demolition, Arjun Singh is silent-totally silent- on why he didn’t resign fromRao’s ministry then and there.
He is also silent why none of the other “seculars” resigned from the discredited Rao’s ministry.
This Arjun is a chicken hearted, ratting, small time politician who was all the time nursing ambitions of becoming PM himself.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 9:50 am
Arjun Singh DIDN’T RUN AWAY TO HIS PALACE WHEN BHOPAL GAS TRAGEDY STRUCK AND KILLED 25000 PEOPLE.
Yesterday, Arjun Singh’s daughter has clarified on NDTV that he had only run away to Lucknow to seek peace (for himself) and solace (for his family) from St.Anne at her church.
As for Anderson, I am told he was gracious enough to tell Arjun Singh that his shoes were already polished by the Home Secretary.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 10:17 am
Can you please cite some references ?
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 10:27 am
There is a bigger underlying problem with your posting.
Your narrative of Bhopal case appears to put blame on Arjun Singh – and just him – for the Bhopal tragedy.
Arjun Singh was smaller part of the problem. In Bhopal case what unfolded here in India and outside India was even more terrible.
It appears that the establishment in India and outside has conspired very well in denying justice to Bhopal victims.
Another suggestion – grab yourself some time to watch Nat Geo’s “Seconds from Disaster” episode on Bhopal. Watch carefully the interview of independent investigator – btw, this guy happens to be a “gora” – who took great personal risks in trying to extract information from premises.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 10:37 am
The day the Amount of USD 470 was announced by a US court as a compensation to be paid to the victims, the stock price of
Union Carbide increased by USD 2 as market had anticipated much higher amount of compensation. And yes, the establishment in India and outside had conspired in denying justice to victims.
I had read Ratan Tata’s name as part of that conspiracy but as usual everything was forgotten after few years.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 11:52 am
What is RAtan Tata’s motivation? Tata Sons makes money to give away (80% goes to charity)..plus he must have been a very young junior exec at that time
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
I don’t know what was his motivation but he was vehemently criticizes by the victims of Bhopal tragedy.
Here are the links.
Bhopal gas tragedy survivors call Ratan Tata as anti-nationalist, appeal to boycott Tata salt
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Bhopal survivors strongly condemn Ratan Tata’s offer for Dow-Union Carbide’s investments in India
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 pm
namak haram log!
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
UP MLAs can buy cars from development fund: Akhilesh Yadav
LUCKNOW: In a controversial move, Uttar Pradesh chief minister Akhilesh Yadav placed a proposal in the state assembly which allows MLAs to use up to Rs 20 lakh allotted under local area development (LAD) fund for buying four wheelers, which MLAs, however, will have to return to the government after their term is over. The LAD is given to MLAs for the development of their constituencies. The move has been opposed by most parties in the opposition.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 10:30 am
One thing that has not got any coverage is the news from Pakisatni authorities that in addition to Abu jindal, 40 other Indians were involved in the Mumbai terrorist attacks.
Who are this 40 people? Are they all from Marathwada like Abu? Why is the media not running with it? Is there a directive from the centre to “ignore” this so a s not to upset the communal harmony?
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 11:23 am
Communal harmony in India is not so fragile that it will upset due to arrest of few persons spreading terror.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 12:03 pm
The government has to come out with an answer yes/no . especially when the practice of this government is to answer to every pronouncement from Pakistan – the most recent one being the declaration that Surjit Singh was not a spy (in response to Pakistans statement he was a spy).
otherwise, it give sthe impression that the government is hiding something. It may be as usual an appeasing stance.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Is it correct to expect a Yes / No without investigation ?
Do we know whether or not there is ongoing investigation ?
Are we expecting government to run full-page advertisements declaring its focus and intent of investigation ?
And just because government has said nothing about it – the topic qualifies for humbug talk with communal overtones ?
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
So what have they been doing for the last four years?
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 2:21 pm
World history is replete with investigations lasting years. More often than not taking different turn as fresh information emerges.
If you were expecting overnight results – you might as well send over climate details from your planet.
That said – when was the first you heard about Mr. Malik talk about those 40 people ?
Are you expecting government get into a frenzy just because somebody says something that may not even be remotely credible and get overnight results ?
Another question for you – what is the deal with “appeasing stance” ?
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Good that you said this. Does this mean that RSS – which some people think is trying to create disharmony – also is not powerful
enough to upset the communal harmony?
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
the answer to this can only come jointly from the jihadi and these two trolls.
manohar_T Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 1:08 pm
When it gets its hands on the levers of power, then it goes beyond just creating disharmony. Need any examples?
It surely has more resources and numbers at its command in its attempts to create trouble. However, the people may have got wiser and able to see through, several recent instances show people have been alert and prevented any loss of life.
Ravi Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 3:13 pm
It is powerful and stupid enough to try.
Credit goes to people who resist their communal social engineering overtures.
rahmat Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
that in addition to Abu jindal, 40 other Indians
leaders of these 40 were brhmns of intelligent bureo.boss was nair our chief security advisor.
manohar_T Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
On the face of it, it appears good that Pakistan has given some information – the question remains – how do they know? – they have been in denial. Though, it was obvious that the level of 26/11 attack would surely not have been possible without local support.
It could be a ploy by them to divert the attention away from them. I am only guessing.
Gopi and Mohan
The ‘miracle’ P A Sangma and the BJP were expecting did not materialise.
The fairies decided not to oblige.
The nomination of ruling UPA candidate Pranab Mukherjee for the presidential poll was accepted today, and the plea by his opponent PA Sangma to
disqualify him on the ground that he was holding an office of profit rejected.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 1:56 pm
It was stupid and moronic on the part of BJP to derail Pranab and/or to prop up Sangma.
BJP has to know when to let go.
manohar_T Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Now BJP says, Pranab Mukherjee’s resignation letter is fabricated.
Ravi Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 3:09 pm
This whole world is a MAYA
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Whenever I read such new I just remember three quotes
manohar_T Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Next, I suppose, they will label Pranab Mukherjee as a fake candidate.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Congress got rid of one PM post aspirant by nominating him to presidentship. Wish BJP had done the same with Gadkari
Do what with him? Send him where?
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 4:05 pm
I would like to inform you that Nitin Gadkari has most categorically declared, on every TV channel that he is not interested in becoming PM, but he will contest a Loksabha seat.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
I beg to differ.
Sangma wasn’t BJP’s first choice. Dr Kalam wasn’l prepared to contest unless assured of numbers. The allies were not helping. The party looked into getting some kind of understanding for the prospective allies of the future by backing their candidate. I see nothing wrong here.
Trying to disqualify Pranab Mukherji should have been avoided.
Everyone let Dimple Yadav get elected without a contest – should that be the way?
Romney is making his second trip to Israel this year during the summer.
He says Obama has shorted Israel.
The SuperPAcs headed and funded by jewish organizations are spending boat loads of money to defeat Obama.
It will be interesting how low he will stoop to israel.
This is Bihar!
manohar_T Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 2:08 pm
No. This is India. Tragically, it happens all over.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 2:16 pm
No, it is not all over India, and that stamping of an “all india” colour to all our social ills is our main problem in solving major social ills..Always we institute these All india commission on Muslim backwardness, an all india commission on girl fetocide, an all india commision on rural education, an all India commission on girls education etc etc. functioning as enablers to steal money and nothing else
The only problem common across India is poverty (even that is not true any more, with South leapfrogging over North)..everything else is localized/regionalized issues and have to be dealt with a razor like focus on the problem/region.
For example, if the government is really focused to uplift Muslim situation, they should concentrate on the West Bengal/UP/Bihar venn diagram, where the majority of problems and most of the Muslims live. If they want to address female fetocide, they should focus on Rajastan, Haryna…..
Instead we put every problem as an all India problem, and ends up not solving any
manohar_T Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Such incidents are not specific to any one state, though they have become very rare.
We should remember many strains of Hinduism across India still practice pagan rituals dating back to ancient times – which today are classified as crimes.
I do not understand as to what you are trying to say by raising Muslim issues in this thread.
Of course, the states have to deal with issues specific to them.
P.V. Narasimha Rao & Hindu Trolls
I have noticed that in recent days many Hindu Trolls on this blog are working very hard to misappropriate credit due to Man Mohan Singh and re-deistribute it to P.V. Narasimha Rao. This is a blatant attempt to steal credit from the Sonia-MMS combine in order to damage their future electoral prospects or it is an attempt to avenge BJP’s defeat in 2004 and subsequent election at their hands.
The world sees MMS’s achievements in a different way.
Expectations of renewal for India
(Reuters) – India has gone from the country set to overtake China to the country that can do nothing right. Now, a few contrarians see signs India is turning a corner.
India’s problems from a record current account deficit to stalled policy reforms and economic growth running at its weakest pace in nine years, are well known and explain a slump in the rupee to a record low.
But a handful of signs suggest prospects could be changing.
Furniture maker IKEA and Coca Cola have announced they will pump nearly $5 billion (3 billion pounds) into India. Investment banks are upgrading their view on Indian stocks and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is making the right noises.
He vowed last week to “revive the animal spirit in the country’s economy” as he took control of the finance ministry. As finance minister in the early 1990s, when India suffered a balance of payment crisis, h e orchestrated reforms that set off two decades of rapid growth……..
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 3:20 pm
If MMS was so good at it, why is he unable to fix the economy now?
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 3:43 pm
More to the point is what he did in the last eight years.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 4:00 pm
It is not his fault as for last eight years he was held by compulsions of coalition.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 4:09 pm
and these compulsions of coalition resulted in coal-gate.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 7:00 pm
No matter how we look problems with Indian economy are not going away unless structural imbalances are cured.
From capitalist economical perspective these may require a sustained set of Keynesian measures spread over a decade or so. Much of these imbalances have rural economy as core of problem.
Outside this – we may all celebrate how much ever we may want about increased investments and growth rates , but at the end we will still have half the population struggling at the BPL line.
Ravi Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 7:10 pm
I do not dis-agree with you.
My comment was not a comment on Economy or MMS’s handling of it, but rather on a new phenomenon – which is attributing the Economic revolution of the last 10 or so years to P V Narsimaha Rao. This is designed to take credit away from MMS and give it to some one who is dead so that the benefit accrues to some one who is no longer in a position to harm the BJP.
Just as Sardar Patel is be appropriated in the service of Hindu Right’s cause.
AshishC Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Ravi: outside of atmospherics (chest-thmping??) by MMS, what exactly has changed in real terms that causes you to be optimistic?
Just because Reuters and Economist has put out “all is not lost” kind of messages? Oh, c’mon.
The criticism of MMS is valid. There are many who feel that a) the credit of the reforms in MMS’s FM stint under Rao indeed belonged to Rao and they are not Sanghis; not by a long shot. Read Swaminathan S A Aiyar – probably last Sunday TOI. (I have myself maintained this line consistently; but, that probably damns the argument).
MMS is a technocrat, brought up in the control and command economy with little reformist zeal- when he was handpicked by Rao and told to deliver on an agenda. It helped there was a crisis- there is mere uneasiness now, compared to early 90’s- when there were only 3 weeks worth of forex left.
b) MMS has no great political skill or standing. He needs someone to keep the troublemakers away. What can you do if your boss is troublemaker in chief?
BTW, 5B$ investment is promised till 2020. Are we really that small that we are happy to receive 800M$ every year investment?
Ravi Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 4:54 am
If one was to divide the credit givers for that reform into two. Those who attribute it personally to MMS and the others who give credit to Rao, then the ratio is very much in favour of MMS. Why that I do not know.
Until recently, (less than a year ago) not many people mentioned Rao. My comment is not as to who of the two is the real person worthy of that credit.
Mine is merely an observation that this redirection of credit (rightly or wrongly) started about a year ago and I smell a political rat and it smells like Hindu Right one to me.
I have nothing against Rao, what so ever.
AshishC Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 9:27 am
now you are running a census of Rao supporters
I can only urge you to read Swaminathan Aiyar in TOI. Does not sound like a late convert to Rao-worshipping club, does he?
Your observation that this .301 redirect was sought to be instituted about a year or 2 back is unfounded.
My logic is pretty simple:
MMS today is the same as what he was before Rao picked him to be FM. In UPA I/ II, there has been no reform of the kind that was a hallmark of his first 3 years as FM. Do note that when the crisis receded even in his first term as FM, he fell back onto “normal” budgeting. This strengthens my contention that MMS was helped by the crisis situation and since there is no real crisis now, he won’t get off his backside. Plus, his boss now is different.
Secondly, the liberalization process owes as much to simplification of the industrial licensing that was done in the Rao cabinet- MMS was not the industry minister, correct?
If I take the ONLY common factor among all the growth/ liberalization etc policies that are credited to have brought India to a certain level, it is Rao. ABV was sensible enough to continue the policies and thus, because of these 2 close friends across the political and ideological divide, India shining story was written.
If MMS was such a great economic visionary and leader, then how will you explain the constant wringing of hands over the last 8 years? Can you name one major impactful policy initiative in UPA I/ II for which MMS is credited? BJP wants to credit him with Coalgate, Raja with Spectrumgate .. but his own party is silent
Today is Guru Poornima day. Let us respect and thank the great teachers who shaped and guided us in our lives.
Today also is the 1000th anniversary of the coronation of a great Indian emperor, Rajendra Chola (RajRaj chola’s son). Rajendra’s empire spread from Gangetic plains to Sri Lanka, Sumatra, Java, Thailand, Malaysia, Laos, Cambodia,
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 3:26 pm
I still thank the teacher who taught me to be practical even as we were probably too young (Class V). As he explained to us the meaning of some Sanskrit shloka/story which said that ‘vidya’ is bigger than ‘dhan’, he said that it was a BS – he would rather have more of the latter and a bit of the first.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 3:33 pm
“Vidya Dhan Sarva Dhanal Pradhan”
Well, he gave you a good practical advice.
However, “vidya is bigger than other wealth” is really the capitalist idea that later germinated in the west – teach the person to fish rather than feeding him fish”.
That vidya sustains you to adapt..
Anyway check out how that teacher’s family is doing; help them out (if they need) as a show of gratitude..
Though I never went to college in my life, finished my school – 11 standards – and came to Dubai. But I learnt lot from
my teachers specially a South Indian Mrs. Radhakrishnan.
I am highly indebted to all my teachers who taught me all the
good things about life.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 3:47 pm
yes Mohan, there is a good teacher (or more than one) behind all our successes and life principles. I had a great teacher in my 7th grade, Shri Chandu Kutty, who inspired my interest in Mathematics, and two great teachers in my engineering college – Dr Subromonia Iyer and Dr Vincent Paul.
I have lost touch with him, but I know he must be doing well for himself. He knew as much about the latest NASA project as about a certain Maithili Sharan Gupt. When I heard last from him, he was going to Singapore to teach ‘Vedic Maths’ there – probably, there are not many takers of the same here. What he loved about his new job, he said, was the fact that in the class room he would be sitting on a mattress with pillows on his three sides…
pankaj#1 Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Do not remember him. I believe, he was wrong.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 4:25 pm
If I am not mistaken, I have learnt something wonderful from you as well not long back – ‘Praises are written in sand and insults …”
It seems, you are right again !! Thanks.
In practical terms he was correct.
First rain destroys 4,000 quintals wheat
It is a shame –
If we were China, Pawar or Prof KV Thomas or whoever is responsible would have been …
the same sh– happens every year ..and millions are starving
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 3:57 pm
It is so sad that our babus could not abide the supreme courts order
to distribute this grain to poor free of cost and they let it remain
there to be destroyed.
I still remember the national media playing the story of Varun Gandhi saying – he would “cut off the hand” of any follower of Islam who dared to threaten a Hindu – 24 hours a day and for more than a week in the run up to one of the elections which he incidentally won.
Now, Mr. Shankar Singh Vaghela, a former union minister said this and no one is bothered. Speaking at a meeting of the Congress’ minorities cell in Gandhinagar, Mr Vaghela said, “We are dependent on you. It is because of you that we have been branded pro-Muslim. We have expectations from you. The voting so far has been 10, 15, 20 per cent – your low turnout won’t help. We are not begging. If you want more, it won’t harm you. It will help you decimate people who are against you.”
In fact, he is doing the BJP a favour by making such statements. I sincerely thank him. The party has probably not learnt its lessons from last UP assembly election results.
there is nothing communal in Vaghela’s speech to Muslims. This has always been the congress party’s line. Please read Vaghela’s explanation for this speech.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Isnt it ironic Mahathma Gandhis party has a minority cell?
BJP has to recruit a Madison avenue type PR firm to address all the falsehoods people like Vaghela will be spreading.
Also, BJP has to get their house in order in MP – too many negatives emerging from there.
A clean, “India first” party will get the votes irresepctive of what Pundits say. Many Muslims will buy Modi — however the opposition and some within his own party and NDA alliance has created an artificial ChakraVyuha based on myths and half truths. My advice to Modi is to venture out and face it -
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
If Gujarat is won with a convincing margin, the logical next would follow. If somehow we lose there, it would be almost all over.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Is KeshuBhai funded/triggered by Congress
pankaj#1 Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 5:08 pm
lage raho modi bhai.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 4:11 pm
In last election strategy of Congress was to attack Modi personally
on the grounds of 2002 riots and they failed miserably.- Modi – Maut ka saudagar- was their main slogan. Now they have gone
back to their old tested strategy of begging votes from minorities. I am surprised that how soon they have forgotten the results of UP or may be
they are expecting that Muslims of Gujarat are still angry and disillusioned with Modi.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 4:30 pm
India is at cross roads. Western economies are at cross roads.
Pakistan will deteriorate. Problems and issues – both internal and external – are too many too complex.
I do not see anybody other than Modi from the current crop of political leaders who will be resolute in handling these.
Chidambaram from Congress could be; but he is not going to win a constituency in TN.
I am of the opinion that we should not use Rajyasabha as a backdoor. Antony, Dr MMS etc will never win a Lok Sabha seat from their states
It will be very dificult for Modi to get the acceptability from all the NDA partners. Even within the BJP he has got many opponents. The results of Gujarat elections will give us a clue to the future. If he is able to get similar number of seats as before than it is almost certain that he will be nominated as NDA’s candidate for PM, if not than the situation might be different. Let us wait and watch.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:48 pm
A little curious Mr. Ishwar – how does Mr. Varun Gandhi help BJP by saying what he did ?
Did youa nd your family finish watching “The story of India”..
Hope it was informative and beneficial
The computer’s hard disk crashed a few weeks back and we could only watch three episodes. It came back from the HP’s service centre last evening. Would have to download it all over again. Whatever little we have seen so far was brilliant. Its like a soap opera, you finish watching one episode and keep on craving for the next.
A little bit of history – Radcliffe Line, Indo-Pakistan split.
“Peacocks at Sunset”
vijay ! Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Thx for the article. There is part of my family history tied up here. There is a district in Punjab called Gurdaspur. My Mom a small kid then, recalls that Gurdaspur had first been earmarked for Pakistan BECASUE THE LINE DRAWN BY RADCLIFFE WAS A BIT WAVY AND UNCLEAR !
Her family had packed all belongings, mounted a tonga to leave for Ludhiana– and their house had been immediately occupied by a nieghbour who had chosen Pakistan…
Two days later– when their Tonga had reached some distance came the news on All India Radio– that Gurdaspur was back in India.. !! So they all went back !
Funnily just a few days prior to this my Dad and Grandad had made the trip from Sialkot , now in Paksitan.
And to top it all– I did have a granduncle (now smiling peacefully in heaven) who had worked with Radcliffe. Probably as a clerk… as all top posts were with goras. However in true Punjabi style, he did spend a considerable part of his life being convinced and convinceing others– that he had motivated Radcliffe to give Gurdaspur back to India !
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Vijay, for many, like your father, partition was a too personal experience. And who knows, your maternal grandfather may be right in persuading this Radcliff.
I just cannot comprehend how somebody (Radcliff) who did not know anything about the land, people could be invited to “divide” a country.
Also, why they gave equal number of judges (2 for India side, 2 for Pakistan side) .The whole things look so rigged, to screw up India.
vijay ! Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 5:35 pm
@ Well actually it was my grandad’s cousin who was convinced that he had influenced Radcliffe! My Grandad would always tease him saying that “You were cleaning his table and handing him files… not giving him lectures….!”
Anyway the sordid fact was that the British were wanting to run out of the country. They could have phased out the partition and handing of power more smoothly.
I think the unit area given to Pakistan was more than the population it accomodated. Infact at the end of it the population density of Paksitan becasme half of that of India. Furtheron, Pakistan refused to take in Bihari and UP Muslims.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 5:52 pm
The British did not care about the human tragedy; to a great extent Jinnah and Muslims did not care either. Add to the mix Kayani-like double/triple dealers such as Suhrawady of Kolkotta.
vijay ! Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Actually at that point and sometimes even now… the British had started looking up at the Americans and looking down on the rest of the world.
So while the anglophile Inidans worshipped Churhill– Chirhcill probaly never thought of the Indians, beyond being the white man’s burden.
You see mahadevan, their purpose had been served.
They had captured lands in Australia, canada and new Zealand where they had ensured that the dominant population was to be white. The US, now indendent was still part of the larger white world (then)
The smaller land mass of India overflowing with natives and getting messy was not their cup of tea anymore.
At the end of it was the impossibilty of controlling the natives which drove them away. In contrast South Africa ( where the natives were repressed) , Australia ( natives eradicated) , new Zealand ( natives decimated) were definately more lucrative real estate.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Still waiting for your reply on “appeasement”.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Thanks for the link.. Clear maps..
Will respond later.
I put PART of the blame on Arjun Singh. There is no plant maintenece culture in India and safety inspections by autonomous agencies are almost non existent.
a) Union carbide had been wanting to shift the plant out of Bhopal since 1982, which Arjun Singh had rejected.
b) Arjun Singh had hidden himself during the crises.
c) When Anderson was here– Arjun Singh gave him a gora Sahab salam and not a treatment given to a callous criminal. In fact the film of Arjun SIngh personally accompanying Anderson to the Airport in a blue Ambassador is still in public doman.
At the end of it, while conveniently blaming Rao, Arjun Singh holds out a veiled threat against Rajiv Gandhi loyalists. He says that he (Arjun) informed everything to Rajiv and Rajiv remained silent. And then a few hours later, PV Rao called him up through Pradhan asking his to let Anderson go.
So in effect
a) Arjun SIngh clears himself
b) Says that Rao Called him up immediately after Arjun Singh informed Rajiv gandhi..
NOW HOW COULD PV RAO ACT INDEPENDENTLY OF THE PM (Rajiv) AND CM (arjun)
A very very big fable…the sort of story on Congressmen can believe.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Arjun Singh is garbage – I m sure Manohar will come after me.
What I fail to understand is why would Sonia Gandhi take him in UPA cabinet – a man who did not have a base
vijay ! Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Arjun Singh was the sort of NAUKER the Congress culture of sycophancy encouraged.
remember, how instinctively Arjun used the word “Yuvraj” when he wanted Rahul to take over from MMS?
pankaj#1 Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 pm
I know his whole family in side out. Ab munh nahin khulwao.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:45 pm
My pointwise replies :
You said :
“a) Union carbide had been wanting to shift the plant out of Bhopal since 1982, which Arjun Singh had rejected. ”
Does this mean the safety mechanisms at existing facility need to be put at “Ram Bharose” level ? BTW, Notice here I haven’t even addressed your original claim.
You said :
“b) Arjun Singh had hidden himself during the crises.”
“c) When Anderson was here– Arjun Singh gave him a gora Sahab salam and not a treatment given to a callous criminal. In fact the film of Arjun SIngh personally accompanying Anderson to the Airport in a blue Ambassador is still in public doman.”
Bigger problem is what happened after the tragedy . Judicial process and all. I still see Mr. Singh as a smaller part of the overall problem.
You said :
“At the end of it, while conveniently blaming Rao, Arjun Singh holds out a veiled threat against Rajiv Gandhi loyalists. He says that he (Arjun) informed everything to Rajiv and Rajiv remained silent. And then a few hours later, PV Rao called him up through Pradhan asking his to let Anderson go.”
Well – despite your proclaimed chronological age here you appear way too privy to some internal information here . Lay persons like me try making sense out of publicly available information and get the overall picture. BTW, how will you substantiate this information ?
Also, Please allow me to repeat my question. Can you please cite some publicly available references where Mr. Arjun Singh has concluded PVNR to be a culprit / complicit in Bhopal case ?
vijay ! Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:49 pm
My Engineering college professor was part of the investiation team into Bhopal. ( there were many teams)
He and other teams informed all that the plant was in a bad condition and smaller leaks had taken place earlier. This info would be in public domain.
Furtheron Arjin Singh’s autobiography has been released where he relates the incidents on Bhopal and absolves himself, creates a veiled threat against Rajiv and blames everythign on Rao. You can read relevent excerpts in Today’s Express
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Thanks for side-stepping my original question.
What you say was already known
vijay ! Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Furtheron info on Arjun Singh disappearing from Bhopal would be available on the net… maybe even on Wikepedia
Here is a quotation from a report
Speaking at the Indian Science Congress in January 1985, Varadarajan
claimed that his team had not found anyone in Bhopal who had any
idea of the chemistry of
MIC. Engineers at the plant went by operating
manuals only and did not know the plant design.
CFurtheron wikepdeiaBhopal Gas TragedyArjun Singh was the Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh when the deadly gas leak from the Union Carbide factory occurred. It is widely alleged that on the fateful night between December 2, 1984 and December 3, 1984, when the gas leak occurred, Arjun Singh fled to his Kerwa Dam palace (outside Bhopal) to save himself from deadly effects of leaked gas and was not available to manage the crisis or lead the administration. Subsequently the Arjun Singh government’s mishandling was criticized by the court in the 7 June 2010 verdict on Bhopal Gas Disaster pronounced by the Chief Judicial Magistrate, Bhopal. The media raised serious questions about his role in the release of Warren Anderson. In particular, the pilot of the aircraft in which Warren Anderson flew out of India after the gas leak, has recorded that the final sanction to permit the flight came from Arjun Singh’s office.
manuals only and did not know the plant design.
Bhopal Gas Tragedy
Arjun Singh was the Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh when the deadly gas leak from the Union Carbide factory occurred. It is widely alleged that on the fateful night between December 2, 1984 and December 3, 1984, when the gas leak occurred, Arjun Singh fled to his Kerwa Dam palace (outside Bhopal) to save himself from deadly effects of leaked gas and was not available to manage the crisis or lead the administration. Subsequently the Arjun Singh government’s mishandling was criticized by the court in the 7 June 2010 verdict on Bhopal Gas Disaster pronounced by the Chief Judicial Magistrate, Bhopal. The media raised serious questions about his role in the release of Warren Anderson. In particular, the pilot of the aircraft in which Warren Anderson flew out of India after the gas leak, has recorded that the final sanction to permit the flight came from Arjun Singh’s office.
Abu Jundal has a fake passport issued in MURIDKE !
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Isnt Ravi from Murdike?
vijay ! Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:41 pm
The net is closing in… I hope there is no link….
pankaj#1 Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Itni French suna doon ki AMU wale bhool jayen, what is French.
Ravi Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Et tu, Brute – au revoir
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 5:24 am
The ISI’s fake passport division is based in Muridke.
Till recently, this fake Ravi was Asst.Director of the unit.
He has even received performance incentives for creating some excellent forgeries.
What is the difference between a chicken and a baby?
Chicken is a result of a sitting hen while the baby is the result of
A standing ****.
vijay ! Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Arre baba… I nominate you as the Joke Minister to liven up boring India…
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Please go through these articles.
Centre helped Anderson: CIA
CRIMINAL COLLUSION – Who helped Anderson flee?
vijay ! Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 7:14 pm
All of them will join hands ot first blame Rao and then finally record that the RSS was behind Andersons release.
Look at what even Digvijay Singh said then.
The disclosure in CIA documents and hints by Alexander are in line with senior Congress leader Digvijay Singh’s view that the MP Government only implemented the Centre’s instructions in the gas leak case.
“There was a Cabinet Committee in the Government of India which took all decisions regarding this case. The only task of the Government of Madhya Pradesh was to get the decisions implemented,” said Digvijay
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Truth will never come out. This is the same old style of politicians
passing the blame on others. No one will ever know what actually happened at that time. The only truth which is in front of us is that the justice was denied to the victims.
Ravi Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
110.05% agree with you. Victims are the important people in this tragedy
vijay ! Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Also the facts
a) Rajiv was the PM and Arjun the Cm. between the two of them lies the responsibility.
Yet fake historians will try to blame the humble, the simple and absolve the fuedal families
manohar_T Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Also the facts
a) Vajpayee was the PM and Modi the CM, between the two of them lies the responsibility.
Reference to context : Gujarat 2002
vijay ! Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Letting Anderson fly off can be equated to riots?
Rajiv gandhi is not responsible for the Bhopal tragedy. Union Carbide is for poor plant maintenance. Rajiv and Arjun Singh are responsible for letting Anderson fly of.
Neither Vajpayee and Modi are responsible for the Gujarat riots which were casued by the murder of 58 kar sewaks.
manohar_T Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 8:28 pm
1) Allowing (later justifying it) 1200+ innocent people (Hindus and Muslims) to be killed is a greater crime than allowing Anderson to fly off.
Now I am applying the same logic as yours.
2) Vajpayee and Modi not responsible for Godhra tragedy, just as Rajiv Gandhi and Arjun Singh not responsible for the Bhopal tragedy
3) Vajpayee and Modi responsible for 1200+ innocent people (Hindus and Muslims) who lost their lives, just as Rajiv Gandhi and Arjun Singh responsible for letting Anderson fly off.
What say? I await another spin from you, so that Modi is not in the dock.
vijay ! Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 8:37 pm
No spin required.
Anderson let off because of an adminstrative decision by rajiv and Arjun,
Riots were not caused by a decision to create riots. They just happen when madness takes over. yes in case there is direct creation of riots as done in Delhi by Sajjan Kumar and HKL Bhagat… then they are the responsibilty of the state.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 5:20 am
In the anti-Sikh pogrom conducted by Rajiv Gandhi by hiring lumpen Hindu elements, only Sikh men, women and children were killed and their property was looted and burnt.
NOT A SINGLE HINDU WAS KILLED IN DURING THE THREE DAYS, WHEN, UNDER SPECIFIC ORDERS, THE POLICE, CRPF AND THE ARMY WERE MISSING IN ACTION.
AND THIS HAPPENED IN THE NATIONAL CAPITAL ALL THE WHILE THE PRIME MINISTER SAT BESIDE HIS MOTHER’S DEAD BODY AND CRIED!
pankaj#1 Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 9:29 pm
For some reason, you can not think beyond 2002. Why?? No, I am serious. Was there no riot before or after that??who you are?? Have you ever lived amongst predominant muslim population anywhhere in India??? If yes, what place???If you reverse the question, I will say, yes, I did and know, 10% good people amongst them and 90 % muslims thinking that, they have been God’s chosen people to loot and plunder. I can go on giving you all the instances, if you wish. By our exchanges, you should understand, I do not dislike muslims, simply because they are muslims, what i can not tolerate, is mentality, that they are given birthright to loot and plunder. present day congressis are encouraging this mentality, for votes. How about, making muslim votes ineffectual, I mean no voting rights for them?? sound drastic?? behave, or you will lose your rights? . Not for you, but for badmashs.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Unlike in US, I do not think there is any situation in India where citizens lose voting rights. In fact, jail inmates is a “rich” constituency in india!
pankaj#1 Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 11:06 pm
so one should create this situation. behind the facade of democracy, all the disruptives are having a field day.
manohar_T Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 3:48 am
I can think beyond. My post was to expose the duplicity of the RSS brigade. One set of rules / logic for others and another set for Modi. Nothing more, nothing less.
Look at Vijay’s final reply – justifications, justifications, but no one is responsible for law and order in Gujarat. What sort of irresponsible (of law and order) Chief Minister is there? This ‘defence’ of Modi doe not hold water.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 5:15 am
Your defence of Rajiv Gandhi in the bhopal gas tragedy as also the anti-Sikh pogrom, where he personally supervised the killings is despicable, but understandable, because that is what congressi trolls do and are appreciated for by the bosses.
vijay ! Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 5:33 am
I think you should read the reply and understand that while Anderson was let off on explicit instucitons of Rajiv and Arjun Singn, there are no instrucitons of Modi to create riots.
He can at best be blamed for not containing them.
In contrast, the COngress leaders in 1984 gave explicit insturciond to their cadre to riot. The riotign and murdering Congress Ministers like Bhagat, Sajjan Kumar and Shastri served the Cognress till the end and Sajjan Kmar is still its gujjat face
I have stayed in a colony where Sajjan’s daghter lives. The police still salute her and she clais that “humne dilli par hukamat kari hai…”
pankaj#1 Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
I always say, goons have no religion, they are goons only. In the same vein, I say, Administrator is either a good administrator or bad administrator, may be indifferent administrator as well. Be it Modi, Nitish, Gehlot, Jagan, mamta, laloo. Whatever,. there is nothing like hindu administrator or muslim administrator, in the scheme of things, in India.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 5:06 am
And Rajiv was the prime minister when for three full days from 31st October 1984, the police, CRPF, army were all absent from Delhi when 4000 Sikh men, women and even children were massacred. And they were absent because the Prime minister of India, Honourable Rajiv Bharat Ratna Gandhi asked them to remain indoors.
Reference to context:: 1984 anti-Sikh POGROM.
WHAT SAY, MR.CONGRESSI TROLL?
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 5:02 am
“No one will ever know what actually happened at that time”. Because it happened in the dark.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 5:00 am
Vijay Kumar, Mohan,
The RSS has been described (by western Christian historians) as a shadowy right wing Hindu militant organisation.
Since it is shadowy, it is always behind something.
Hence it is reasonable for the shamed congressies desperate to protect Rajiv Gandhi’s name in the murky deals of Bhopal Gas Tragedy, to blame the RSS as being behind Anderson too.
One of the sad facts of Indian history is that they are a bunch of imbeciles who believe that folding yourself in the doggie position in front of the enemy is the best way to win him over.
mani Aiyar who rose ten notches above his level of incomptence is our best bet of DESTROYING any meaningfull Indo Pak dialogue.
His use of english frightens many of our media men so much that they treat him as God and give him space.
He was the idiot who as COunsel general in Evil CObra Gen Zia Haq’s time could not even detect that Pakistan was fomenting terror in Punjab.
I have a feeling he has been compromised a la Madhuri Gupta an Indian emabssy functionary who was caught in a honey trap.
USA will celebrate its 236th independence day tomorrow.
Normally an invigorating and family/friends get together/barbecueing day, this year’s celebration is in a background of an unprecedented concern about the future of America.
Most of Maryland/Virginia (including a large part of Washington DC, the capital) lost power three days ago in the storm that hit that part of the country. It is going to take one more week before power will be restored. It is 100 degree plus weather now!
Many consider this as another example of how they are losing their uniqueness one by one. They think US is approaching a third world country!
vijay ! Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 9:25 pm
U mean there is no power in those cities? O Boy…
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Many cities/communities in the east coast do not have power.
vijay ! Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 9:40 pm
gnight…rather late in India…3…
pankaj#1 Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Do you remember great black out some years back, when no power was available for 3 days on east coast?? and Indian engineers were called, to help them to manage power outage, as indians are much more accustomed to this situation than North Amercans. Ha.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 4:53 am
And Indians have the additional skills of managing people’s wrath, as the Gurgaon riots show.
Robert Kaplan , a respected foreign policy expert on India-China drive for superiority in indian ocean -
“As the world moves into the second decade of the 21st century, a new power rivalry is taking shape between India and China, Asia’s two behemoths in terms of population, territory, and richness of civilization”..
Now Muslims are creating problems in Sri Lanka
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 4:13 am
I am sure RSS would have provoked them.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 4:51 am
The RSS is spreading its wings far and wide. Looking at the ZSrilanka, Burma and China troubles, they have become pretty successful too.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 4:50 am
That is besides Uighur region of China and Burma.
Pakistani FM meets separatists before meeting Indians, at Delhi, in the heart of India. Can somebody explain this to me, Please. I do not understand this. Gaa.. par do latten, ya, canning. rest is for your imaginatiuon.
Anonymous Reply:July 3rd, 2012 at 11:55 pm
If so, our FM should just cancel the meeting–Screw them
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 4:12 am
Indian leaders do not have courage to do that.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 4:49 am
He should tell them “Kiss my as………….”
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 4:48 am
the congressi troll has faithfully “explained” the rationale for this lack of spine in our stand on Pakistan.
Letting Pakistani foreign secretary to meet with Hurriyat separatists is indeed a disgrace..
Only India, Congress ruled India will let something like this..
manohar_T Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 4:37 am
That is India’s strength. Allowing every shade of opinion and types to be around. That is democracy and not fascism / authoritarianism where only one ‘palatable’ opinion is allowed and counts. Precisely for that reason you are allowed to spew venom and slam anyone (and your post above is doing exactly that) without any fear.
What have the separatists managed to achieve anything in all these years? The Government even provides with Indian passports to travel abroad to show it to them that they are Indian citizens, which they do not want to be. See the uncomfortable situation they are in. Let them or anyone else meet the Pakistan Foreign Secretary – they have done it in the past. It is a free country.
Not giving room to them would have indicated our weakness to face criticism /divergent views and shown us as intolerant bigots, which we are not (with certain exceptions – some of them even reside here on this blog too. Such people resort to abuse and petty name calling in a pathetic ‘attempt’ to make themselves relevant).
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 4:46 am
This post merits a B+ in a school essay. In a blog like ours it gets a pathetic F.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 5:09 am
Are divergent views and talks of separatism same? If tommorow we see again some Sikhs rise and start taking about Khalistan
as a separate country from India? Or any other state Tamil Nadu,
Gujarat or Maharashtra they start playing the same tune of separatism? Should all this be allowed by our government or the problem should be nipped in the bud ?
manohar_T Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 6:02 am
Let them talk. They have freedom of speech, as long as it does not create law & order problem and they do not take up arms or resort to a violent struggle ((then they will be dealt with under the relevant laws). If there is anything seditious in their utterances, there are laws to take care of it.
Who is afraid of Arundhati Roy & Co.? Only the intolerant bigots.
‘in logon se Darro nahin. kuchh nahi.n desh kaa bigaaD sakte’.
pankaj#1 Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Kashmir separatists are not creating law and order problem? They have not taken up arms or violent struggle??Seditious utterances??? Am I reading correctly, or you wanted to say something else??? In my opinion, Geelani and all the Hurriyat group is indulging in all those above mentioned activities with the active connivance of Pakistan. And GOI s facilitating this meeting???? What,? How?? Has the simple / complex politics been made to stand on its head????
pankaj#1 Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Then why mere mention of RSS brings froth at the corner of mouth, for many people here. What is so poisnous about their sayings. We may not agree with them 100% but they are entitled to have their views. Double/ Treble standards???
Failure is not when your girl friend leaves you, it is when you leave her
Ganesh ready for London run as athletes await clarity on cash awards
BANGALORE/KOCHI: His travel file cleared and other formalities completed, Kerala sports minister KB Ganesh Kumar is set for the London Olympics. So are sports secretary M Sivasankaran and Kerala sports council president Padmini Thomas. Kerala’s top athletes, meanwhile, are yet to receive cash awards promised by the state, most as far back as 2008.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 4:42 am
He wants to do ’sriganesh’ to the games.
The sportmen and women may excel in their fields, but are actually buddhus, because they don’t know how to get the award money sanctioned.
They should consult Gopi.
vijay ! Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 5:24 am
All corruption olympiad medals have already been won by the UPA
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Kerala is a mess. This Ganesh Kumar is an OK guy, so also the Finance Minister Mani.
Padmini Thomas (not related to Gopi Thomas)is not a politician; she is an athlete; 1996 Arjuna award winner.
There are several under currents in politics happening. Marxist party may explode because of the leaders’ connection to a political murder. Now several old cases have sprung back as political murders.
Muslim league getting a fifth minister and the Muslim league ministers not having people from any other religion in their personal staff is creating problems. Two Hindu social oragnizations – NSS and SNDP – are talking about merger that will have huge political impact assisting either Marxists if they do not explode) or Congress to achieve majority without relying on Muslim league
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 7:57 am
If these two Hindu oragnizations, NSS and SNDP join together
than this is what we will start hearing from pseudo seculars ” this is
a very dangerous trend, they have a support of RSS, VHP and will start working against the interest of minorities.”
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 7:59 am
They have already started – in fact Muslim League secretary Bashir said that the two joining will be a communal act!
pankaj#1 Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Sooner this is accompalished, better it is for Kerala and India. Nip the problem in the bud, rather than waiting for it to blossom into a poisonous tree.
~~~ THE CONGRESS FINALLY FOUND WHO WAS BEHIND 1984 ~~~
After a thousand enquiries, the COngress finally found who was behind 1984 riots
a) One single guy called Kishori Lal who is in prison and is now being freed fr good “conduct.”
b) As per Congress leaders lke Aiyar, Arjun SIngh and gang… it was all PV Rao!
Wah re Cognress kya sach bola hai!!
Wah !! Wah Wah!!
All the wah’s to the Cognress and its chamcha media brigade !! Wah Wah Wah !!
PM vs Snow White’s seven dwarfs
This column over the years has poked fun at Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. So it is ironic that today it is advocating the prime minister’s cause and is politely asking his Congress party to get the hell off his back and let him try and fix the goddamned economy. Yes. Word from Delhi is that now that Pranab Mukherjee is getting ready to tend to the Mughal Gardens at Rashtrapati Bhawan, the party is putting pressure on the prime minister to appoint a “political” finance minister, and perhaps as early as September.
The party — and particularly its boss — has different ideas, all mainly geared towards Rahul Gandhi’s eventual levitation to the throne. It wants a finance minister who, as P Chidambaram did in 2008 when he waived Rs60,000 crore of farmers’ loans, will throw government book-keeping to the wind. It does not matter if captains of industry whine about how NREGS spoiled rural labour; nor does the prohibitive cost of the proposed food security bill matter. What matters is building up voter goodwill for the next parliamentary elections. Thus Sonia Gandhi wants to spend the remainder of her political capital during the UPA-2’s final two years, through a finance minister with an obedience that is Pavlovian.
As mentioned earlier, various political parties see their historic moment inching closer and closer, and several major parties propping up UPA-2, including the Trinamool Congress and the Samajwadi Party, have an advantage in early parliamentary elections. The only reason these parties would want to help the prime minister is if he obliges them with fiscal recklessness in their states; but that is the very thing he is trying to bring under control (their philosophy of governance is diametrically opposed to his). All that seems realistic at this juncture is that Manmohan Singh spends the remaining years trying to talk up the markets, and even that will eventually lose its efficacy.
It would seem that for India’s economy, the best way forward is to have immediate parliamentary elections and a new government. But that will not happen, so there is no point wishing for it. It is preferable that Manmohan Singh hold charge of the finance ministry for the remainder of the UPA-2’s term. The alternative would be for one of Snow White’s seven dwarves to take over the finance ministry. Perish the thought.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 6:42 am
This writer must be visiting this blog regularly as what he has
written is being said by many of the bloggers here. Examples such as -
NREGA is a mess, waiver of farmers loan was to get votes – to hell with
the economy -. ManMohan Singh is not being given a free hand to handle
the econpmy. Sonia Gandhi’s only dream is to put her son on the THRONE of prime minister. I shudder to think that a bottle feeding baby
who should have remained in the cradle will become PM of India.
Shame on all the congress leaders like Chidambaram, Pranab Mukerji,
Kapil Sibal and others who bend and crawl in front of Ms. Gandhi.
manohar_T Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 7:14 am
The Prime Minister’s opponents are within his party. The opposition parties are just playing along with the disgruntled congressmen. Unless, Sonia Gandhi full backs him, no economic reforms and policy paralysis will continue.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 7:20 am
What did we get by Sonia Gandhi’s full backing.
NREGA, 60000 crores loan waiver for farmers,
2G Fiasco, rupee at record low, stock market in doldrums.
manohar_T Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 7:31 am
They have been factors, but the real problems started with Mamata’s victory (April 2011) in Bengal. Until then, things were not bad (no effect on rupee and other factos you have named) – yes there all those scams – CWG, 2G, etc.
In my view, if things go the way they are, there is going to be real mess in 2014 – when the regional parties will be leaders of the pack – they will be more interested in their own little agendas – nation be damned. The next general election would be within a year or so of 2014.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 7:35 am
That is highly irresponsible of you!
“they will be more inteersted in their own little agendas, nation be damned”.. What is Congress doing with big agendas?
You yourself was promoting little shi– in the name of freedom few comments ago
manohar_T Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 8:40 am
I was talking from past experience of the third fronts and all that..
When Mulayam Singh was the Defence Minister, he used ot spend 80% of his time in Lucknow.
Mamata Bannerjee in UPA 2 had almost shifted the Railway Headquarters to Calcutta.
These are just two examples.
If you think freedom is only for the likes of you and not for others, then Iran, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Cuba, etc. are the places for you to look forward to.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 8:41 am
NREGA, loan waiver, 2G, CWG all were before Mamta.
manohar_T Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 9:05 am
When did I say they were after Mamata. She stalled further reforms – perhaps also by nudging by the Congressmen who are against reforms.
God created sex, but to spoil the fun,- as they always do – the pundits, mullahs and priests created marriage.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 7:32 am
A good one, Mohan!
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Actually it is the children who spoil the fun.
They wet the bed and dampen the “spirit”.
Purohit had no orders to infiltrate Abhinav Bharat, finds Army probe
Lt Col Shrikant Purohit, the Military Intelligence (MI) officer who is a key accused in the September 2008 Malegaon bomb blast, was never authorised to infiltrate the right wing group Abhinav Bharat which has been blamed for the attack, according to a probe by the Army.
Purohit’s association with the group was in fact a breach of service rules, the force is said to have determined. Sources in the National Investigation Agency (NIA) said the Army’s findings on the suspended officer would not impact the terror charges that it is investigating.
“If Purohit was acting covertly, why did he reveal his identity to Swami Aseemanand? His cover, if any, was blown a long time back,” said an officer.
Investigators also suspect that a report by Purohit after the Malegaon blast naming Sadhvi Pragya and others — which is being cited in his defence that he kept his seniors in the loop — was a ploy to cover his tracks as he feared being linked to the blast after the Maharashtra ATS identified Pragya as a suspect.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 7:25 am
I have only one question. Even after being interrogated for 4 years
in jail, having gone through nacro tests several times and why a charge
sheet is not filed against him?
manohar_T Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 8:16 am
As we know, the system of justice in our country has been moving a snail’s pace for years now. Tragic, but true. This is one of those cases. One of the reasons is that evidence takes time to be collected and collated. Such outfits do not operate in the open and advertise their exploits and the actors involved. In addition, the chargesheet(s) must be able to withstand intense scrutiny of the courts.
In Adarsh scam, the charge sheet has been filed some time back – now the courts will decide the case.
We have just managed to get hold of Abu Jundal after 4 years and it will take time to piece together whatever he confesses and complete the zig-saw puzzle.
One of the reasons as to why justice system crawls is the shortage of manpower in the police, intelligence agencies and the judiciary.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 8:29 am
.Evidence takes time to collected and collated : I think four
years should be enough .
The chargesheet(s) must be able to withstand intense scrutiny of the courts.: If they are not able to file a chargesheet which will withstand intense scrutiny till then
he will remain in jail without even getting a bail.
I hope the above is true and the charge sheets which have
been filed against Raja, Kalmadi, Kanimozi and now against Ashok Chavan will
withstand the scrutiny of courts and they will be punished
manohar_T Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 9:16 am
I hope so too.
You should distinguish between cases like corruption and violent crimes – bomb blasts. In the latter cases, evidence is much more difficult to collect and collate.
Why no bail? Perhaps, the judge is convinced that he and his co-conspirators should remain behind bars.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 7:49 am
The Home Minister of Kerala, Thiruvanchoor Radhakrishnan, stated in the assembly that SIMI is operating in the state under various other names and info has been provided to the central authorities.
Chidambaram, few days ago, mentioned that there are seven Jehadi cells in kerala under the central “observation” (?) – many in Muslim League took exception to this
Purohit should be punished if he was involved in terrorist activities.
However, the Abu Jindal (plus 40 other India based particpants in 11/26), Madani etc stories show that the worldwide Islamic terrorism is at our doorsteps; in my case really as neighbour few houses down
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 8:46 am
There was a news while ago in the Chronicle that Owais brothers contributed money to kerala jehadis. There was no follow up news on this.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 10:36 am
NEW DELHI: The case against Lt Col Srikant Prasad Purohit, accused in the 2008 Malegaon blast case, appears to be floundering even before the National Investigation Agency (NIA) takes him into custody.
The Army’s court of inquiry (CoI) report on Purohit has revealed that he could have infiltrated Abhinav Bharat, the organization suspected to be behind the blast, to collect information on right-wing extremism. Purohit was in miltary intelligence at the time.
Purohit had, in fact, communicated to his superiors almost three weeks before his arrest that right-wing extremists, in particular Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur, were responsible for the blast. The report quotes Purohit identifying key blast accused Sudhakar Chaturvedi as his informer.
The development could take the wind out of NIA’s sails as the agency is already struggling for material evidence against Purohit after taking over the case from Maharashtra ATS last year and has been locked in a court battle, as yet unsuccessful, to get Purohit’s custody.
Purohit’s arrest along with Sadhvi Pragya Singh in 2008 had led to a political furore as it, for the first time, revealed the violent anti-national side of right-wing politics in India, with several members of the RSS suspected to be involved.
Sources said Purohit’s defence would most likely use the testimonies and evidence produced in his favour in the CoI in the criminal court. This only makes NIA’s job difficult.
The agency’s case against Purohit has barely moved in terms of evidence collection. Much of the proof it has is still that collected by Maharashtra ATS and listed in its chargesheet — unlikely to hold water against a strong defence.
Purohit’s only established connection with the conspiracy comes through intercepts of several conversations he had with other key accused. While this too would need corroborative evidence, the conversations themselves hardly talk of the actual conspiracy.
The other evidence is that of Purohit’s close connections with Chaturvedi, where the latter used to have keys to Purohit’s residence in Deolali while he was posted there. Purohit had even helped him get a room in Deolali where the Malegaon bomb was allegedly assembled. However, this will fall flat if Purohit proves that Chaturvedi was indeed his informer.
He has also been accused of being a part of Abhinav Bharat and organizing and attending the outfit’s meetings attended by several blast accused. For this, Purohit already says his associations were purely ideological. On two key evidential fronts — of that of RDX procurement and financial assistance — agencies are still floundering. While Purohit has been accused of stealing 60 kg RDX from J&K while he was posted there and passing it on to the bomb planters, the trail has not been established.
Even the financial assistance routed through Purohit has stopped at Abhinav Bharat and does not lead to the actual conspiracy. NIA had recently failed to file a chargesheet in stipulated time against another key accused Lokesh Sharma, allowing him to get bail in the process. The agency also left out Purohit in its chargesheet in the Samjhauta Express blast case for lack of evidence.
Justice and ‘a Ray of Hope’ After 2002 India Riots
She recalled fleeing a mob with her husband and five children to a nearby police camp, where officers refused to protect them.
“They said, ‘No, you have to die today,’ ” she recalled bitterly.….
AHMEDABAD, India — The police stood by as Hindu mobs slaughtered nearly 1,000 people, mostly Muslims, in massacres that evidence suggests were an election-year ploy by state officials to garner votes. Mothers were skewered, children set afire and fathers hacked to pieces. ……
…… but the crucial evidence, again, was the phone records contradicting claims by some of the accused that they were nowhere near the scene of the crimes. ……
……“This is the first time that India’s judicial system has actually worked to hold people accountable for rioting. In the past, the guilty never got punished.” ……
…… About 150,000 people were displaced by the rioting in 2002. Witnesses and other evidence suggest that the violence was encouraged by state officials, who deny the charge. Dr. Ahmad’s son was imprisoned for nearly seven years, accused of plotting against the life of a state official who is now on trial himself. …….
…… Their charred bodies were brought to Ahmedabad, Gujarat’s largest city, and laid out in public, an act that all but guaranteed more violence. Huge mobs gathered to view the bodies.
At the time of the riots, Gujarat’s chief minister was Mr. Modi, a newly appointed functionary from the Bharatiya Janata Party, which advocates Hindu supremacy but faced sinking popularity in the state. Mr. Modi and his party endorsed a widespread strike.
Massacres began immediately. About 20,000 Muslim homes and businesses and 360 places of worship were burned. Later that year, Mr. Modi’s party was overwhelmingly re-elected. Mayors in the United States are thrown out when too much snow clogs streets; Mr. Modi let his streets be choked with blood and won election overwhelmingly. …….
……. Mr. Modi was following a familiar script. In 1984, Sikh bodyguards assassinated Prime Minister Indira Gandhi, and Hindu mobs in Delhi killed thousands of Sikhs in retaliation. The Congress Party, whose members encouraged the rioting, was rewarded later that year with a huge majority in Parliament…….
….. That year, a lawyer representing victims was cross-examining a top police official when the official laid a CD on the table in front of him.
“What’s that?” asked the lawyer, Dr. Mukul Sinha.
“Evidence,” answered the officer, Rahul Sharma.
The CD contained records of every cellphone call made in Ahmedabad during the worst of the rioting. The records allowed advocates to construct precise timelines of the movements of many rioters, timelines that often dovetailed with the accounts of riot victims but contradicted those of the accused. ……
……. Steven I. Wilkinson, a professor of political science at Yale University who has studied India’s riots, said that India’s national elections had become so competitive that no political party could afford to alienate Muslims, who represent 13 percent of the electorate, about the same share that blacks represent in the United States.
“Riots are now a stain on your reputation forever in a way they never were before,” he said…..
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Fact: The following is some part of Arundhati Roy’s article in weekly Outlook dated 6 May 2002 on the Ehsan Jafri case:
“Last night a friend from Baroda called. Weeping. It took her fifteen minutes to tell me what the matter was. It wasn’t very complicated. Only that Sayeeda, a friend of hers, had been caught by a mob. Only that her stomach had been ripped open and stuffed with burning rags. Only that after she died, someone carved ‘OM‘ on her forehead…
…A mob surrounded the house of former Congress MP Iqbal Ehsan Jaffri. His phone calls to the Director-General of Police, the Police Commissioner, the Chief Secretary, the Additional Chief Secretary (Home) were ignored. The mobile police vans around his house did not intervene. The mob broke into the house. They stripped his daughters and burned them alive. Then they beheaded Ehsan Jaffri and dismembered him. Of course it’s only a coincidence that Jaffri was a trenchant critic of Gujarat Chief Minister, Narendra Modi, during his campaign for the Rajkot Assembly by-election in February…”
Outlook had the guts to publish a rebuttal from a senior functionary of the BJP, the then Rajya Sabha MP Balbir Punj. The following was the reply:
“Fiddling With Facts As Gujarat Burns
Introduction: The Roys in the media are harming Indiawith half-truths and worse.
“(Here Balbir Punj quotes some sentences from Roy’s article dated 6th May 2002)…
That was the Goddess of small things, Arundhati Roy, painting the big picture of Gujarat in Democracy: Who’s she when she’s at home? (Outlook,May 6, 2002).Roy sums here neatly almost all the charges against the Sangh Parivar. When a reputed weekly like Outlookpublishes a Booker Prize-winner, it is meant to be serious commentary.(NOTE: Here we completely disagree with Balbir Punj for a change. In our opinion, Outlook is not a reputed weekly but a weekly run by a Congress sychophant loyalist Vinod Mehta, and Arundhati Roy is no respected writer whose writing is serious commentary, but an ultra-Left author whose articles are not to be taken seriously as she has written many imaginary stories full of hyperbole). And concomitantly, Roy has put her brilliant linguistic skills to the service of “truth”. Read her graphic details—”The mob broke into the house. They stripped his daughters and burnt them alive”.Roy speaks with the confidence of an eyewitness. Alternatively, she must’ve access to an eyewitness. Anyway, it reads heart-rendingly honest.
Heart-rending, yes, but honest, no. Jaffri was killed in the riots but his daughters were neither “stripped” nor “burnt alive”. T.A. Jafri, his son, in a front-page interview titled Nobody knew my father’s house was the target (Asian Age, May 2,Delhi edition), says, “Among my brothers and sisters, I am the only one living in India. And I am the eldest in the family. My sister and brother live in the US. I am 40 years old and I have been born and brought up in Ahmedabad.”
So, Roy is lying—for surely Jafri is not. But what about the hundreds of media lies that haven’t been exhumed as yet? Her seven-page long (approx: 6,000 words) hate charter against India and the Sangh Parivar is woven around just two specific cases of human tragedy, one of which—by now, we know for sure—is a piece of fiction…
…She terms Gujarat the “petri dish” of the Sangh Parivar. The fact is that Godhra has been used as a crucible by the secular fundamentalists. No wonder, after the roasting of the Ram sevaks, they, while condemning the crime, blamed the victims. Many of them invented events such as a quarrel with hawkers, misbehaviour with women and shouting of provocative slogans to justify the horrendous crime…
…But was what happened in Gujarat a “pogrom” targeted at Muslims? Loss of 900-odd innocent lives (both Hindus and Muslims) is definitely not a “genocide” of any one community. Yet it is one more shameful event in the long and unfortunate chain of communal riots in India, since the 1893 Bombay and Azamgarh riots. Beginning from the 1714 Holi riots in the Mughal period, Ahmedabad itself has witnessed no less than 10 major recorded riots.
The Sangh Parivar was not there in 1714, nor was it a dominant force during the ‘69 and ‘85 riots. So what explains these riots when Gujarat was not a‘Sangh Parivar petri dish’?…
…Following Godhra, massive spontaneous violence broke out in various parts of Gujarat against the Muslims. Since the rioters were mainly Hindus, they also accounted for about 75 per cent of those who fell to police bullets in the first three days. In fact, till April 18 Hindus accounted for more deaths in police firing than Muslims.
But for almost three weeks now, the violence has been led by Muslims against Hindus and, naturally, a bulk of the casualties are accounted for by them. The police have booked 34,000 rioters, majority of whom are Hindus. Both communities have suffered heavy loss of business and property in the arson and looting. While rioters are communal in picking their targets, looters are not—and they target at random. One lakh Muslims are struggling in relief camps, but so are 40,000 Hindus. This is a horrible riot, which is sad enough, but why call it a genocide? Whom does it help? Not the riot victims, only our enemies across the border.
The country hasn’t suffered so much loss of face in the world as it has now, though it is like one of the scores of riots India has seen. Why? The obvious culprits are those who set ablaze a compartment full of innocent kar sevaks at Godhra and those who indulged in the senseless violence in the following weeks. But the real villains in tarring India’s image are the Roys in the media and a section of public life, who mix half-truths with fiction to settle their ideological or political scores with the Sangh Parivar.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Arnadhati Roy was exposed for telling lies and had apologized for
that. She should never be trusted.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 11:50 am
MOre people killed in Jammu and Kashmir by ISI terrorist and you keep shouting RSS all the time.
RSS is rakshak of Jammu people. You are talking ISI language fo gilani shilani.
Black Sheep of Indian Journalism Exposed
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 8:30 am
The media does the bidding of the government all the time. It happened during Nazi rule; during Iindira Gandhi rule, and happens now.
At least in those days the party/politician did not own the media. Now it is different – Jagan reddy’s Sakshi, Karuna Nidhi’s Sun TV/Dinamani, Marxist’s Kairali etc
We have seen the politico/business/journalist collusion in the 2G Scam.
I lived through emergency..as they say trains ran on time then!
There were many real tragedies perpetrated under emergency. One was the famous “Rajan” case in Kerala.
Rajan, the only son of a Professor (Iswara Varier), a student at Calicut REC, was taken from the hostel, tortured and killed for his alleged involvement in Naxalite movement. Karunakaran, one of Indira Gandhi’s confidants was the Chief/Home Minister. He was personally involved in the decision.
Rajan was a musician – he played veena.
Rajan’s father, a few weeks ago had a poem in one of the Malayalam newspapers ..”It is raining and I hear the rain..I open the door and come out on the verandah.. I see you standing in the rain..Why dont you come inside my son”.. (rajan’s body was never recovered; thus no perpetrator getting life imprisonment )
See the Malayalam movie “piravi” (birth) by Shaji Karun. It won the national award in 1988 .. It is the story of Rajan, Varier, emergency…
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Yes, I remember the sad story of Rajan. The reason we are in this
situation because in our country real culprits are never caught.
Till real culprits are caught and punished regularly we will
keep on witnessing scams, frauds, riots, and political killings .
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 9:19 am
There are new international media outfits such as Rupert Murdoch News Corporation that actively works to promote political and economic systems that fits with their world view.
An investigation in UK has uncovered how much of an influence Murdoch organization had at high levels of Cameron administration, including Cameron himself.
The whole anti-Obama/Tea Party movement in US is a creation of Murdoch’s Fox news.
All this puts onus on the voter to gather independent analysis – which may not be there, will be difficult for many to obtain.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Media is very powerful and their reporting makes people form
their views. Congress in this case is very good in using media
in their favour.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Lot of Blacksheep and blackheart in journalism today also. Mr Padgoankar went to Kashmir and batted for Paksitan. Very bad journalist.
Ashok Chavan charged in Adarsh housing scam
Will he be convicted ?
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 8:34 am
nobody gets convicted; only charged. This is Manohar’s free country
Already there is a chorus that kanimozhi and Raja have spent enough time in jail!
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Raja, Kanimozi and Kalmadi are charged and are out on bail.
Purohit despite remaining in jail for fours has not been charged
is being denied a bail.
‘God particle’: New particle found, could be the Higgs boson, CERN
We have reached the door steps of God. Next step – we will be shaking
hands with god.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Next step will be to declare, “I am GOD”.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Hey bhagwan! Aakhir aap mil gaye….
Kya iss daal mein kuch kaala hai?
vijay ! Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Frankly I am happy that Pranab has left the FM office as he was a consistent failure. He was more a Indira Gandhi/ COngress/ licence Raj mindset guy who had little to offer accept taxes and favouring his favourites— like reliance.
Even while going he used the state’s money for doling out favours to Nitish and Mulayam— not because he liked UP and Bihar– but for getting support for his president ship bid.
In case BJP trips him– and he comes back to the FM seat…. GOD SAVE THE COUNTRY !
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Vijay Kumar, Gopi,
I agree that Pranab is good riddance of a bad bargain for the country.
But, a prospective rashtrapati is expected to start his innings with a clean slate. It doesn’t appear to be so.
Sonia Gandhi, while furnishing her bio-data to the election commission, stated that she is a graduate of Oxford university. She didn’t expect to be caught with her lie. But later she had to state in SC that it was a clerical mistake.
The same way, Pranab Babu has been caught on the wrong foot about his resignation from ISI, Calcutta and now massive forgeries are committed to prove that he did indeed resign before filing his nomination.
He too expected that he would not be caught with his dhoti down. In his case I may accept that it was purely a slip. But then the law is clear on this matter.
vijay ! Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 10:16 am
This law wont be appled and the media will not even notice it. You see there are different set of laws for Congressis— Sajjan Kumar — the real face of teh COngress smiles after the murders. It is the COngress applying laws.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Yes, it does appear to be so.
But, once in a yugantar, as Praveen Saxenaji said, someone like Justice Jagmohanlal comes to this earth to take on the Goliaths of the congress party.
I believe Poorno Sangma is that David.
Karan singh would be good president. He was not allowed.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 10:50 am
In that case he can be made the Rashtrapati of the congress party, as they used to call them before independence.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 9:24 am
BJP is digging a hole for themselves by going after all these technicalities. Pranab will be the president; time to regroup the party for 2014 elections.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Indira Gandhi’s election was set aside by the Allahabad High court on the grounds that her election manager Yashpal Kapoor was a govt servant . At that time also they tried to show that he had submitted his resignation earlier etc… so one does not know ..
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Exactly. If an irregularity has been committed and Pranab is not the only living Indian who can be elected president of our republic, why shouldn’t he be disqualified?
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Yes Shenoy Saab
If Pranab’s candidature suffers from a legal infirmity … then Sangma is well within his Rights to raise it , and that is requirment of the law as well as propriety.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 11:09 am
The resignation of Pranab Mukerjee , its acceptance by the body or the Authority competent to do so and its communication would be a procedural issue . It has to be seen whether it was duly completed.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 10:48 am
In 1974, a mere technicality unseated a serving primeminister.
~~~ SYED GILANI, arundhati (dhat tere ki) roy’s partner AGAINST KASHMIRI HINDUS RETURN ~~~
The dalaloon ki rani of publicity seekers, arundhati Roy, sided with Geelani to come into news and habitually commends him as an exemplary “secular’ sole
So when this exemplary hole called Geelani OPPOSED the return of pundits to the valley calling it a RSS plan– much in the same manner as morons out here find a RSS hand everywhere– Arundhati Roy is conveniently silent and perhaps approves , after all HIndu blood is cheap for her.
——————————— FROM the HIndustazn Times———-
Hardline chairman Syed Ali Shah Geelani on Monday
accused New Delhi of trying to “create a state within a state by coming up with
settlements in the valley” and threatened of agitation against the “ploy”.
“In the garb rehabilitating Kashmiri Pandits, New Delhi is planning to
Israeli-type settlements in Kashmir,”
alleged Geelani during a press conference at his residence in Srinagar.
Claiming having highly-placed process privy to the “game plan”, Geelani said
he fears people associated with Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), Sangparivar
and others from outside the state will be settled in such settlements.
The 83-year-old separatist leader accused the state government of approving
“settlements of non-state subjects in the state”.
“The aim is to change demography and the nature of Kashmir dispute…In these
settlement colonies fundamentalists would be trained and armed to trigger civil
war in Kashmir,” alleged Geelani.
============== WAH !! WAH !! what an ISI agent and mukhota of so called liberals! ~~~
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 11:28 am
nehru screwed us royally…The only solution is movement of people. not just pundits, but any from any part of india
vijay ! Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 11:34 am
I think 10 lakh Indians from all over India are needed in Kashmir.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 11:37 am
It should be done. Some violence will be there; it is not going to be worse.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 11:45 am
This man Geelani is corrupt, thief and murder of innocent Kashmiri people,especially Hindu people.
His own children go America on public money and he make big buildings everywhere. He is behind stone agitation which killed many innocent Muslim brothers also.
But mostly he is responsible for killing at least 500 hindus as he supports all the ISI terrorists. All terrorists can go to him and get money and also hiding place.
Why do Arundati Roy support him? I think she needs TV publicity. But then she is bad writer only good for coming in news. Good writer has heart and sees tears of innocent being killed. Arundati roy only see money and fame in siding up with ISI gilani.
Several officers/employees of the prestigious NDA are arrested/chargesheeted on corruption in recruiting.
Abu Jindals everywhere!
here is more on Kashmir for you. Jamait islami upset about the immodest dress of the tourists, releases dress code and warns of “diluting our culture”..
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 11:58 am
That is why RSS say “Jamait ko maar joota.”
But foolish people think Jamait is secular and then blame HIndus all time.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Who says Jamamit is secualr? Is it Congress leaders?
My comment/article about Mani Aiyer was deleted by the censor board!
vijay ! Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Yes I find it very strange.
I would appeal to the censor to be liberal. Mani Aiyar spoke all sort of nonsense and fell onto the feet of the Pakistanis. Binoy just gave a link here.
My god.. kya zamaana aa gaya hai… !
Adarsh scam: Chavan got 3 flats for wife’s relatives
Never asked CBI to probe Adarsh case: State to HC
The Ministry of Defence had ordered a CBI probe into the scam on the recommendation of the then Army Chief General VK Singh following a preliminary inquiry.
Is this one of the reasons why he (Gen V K Singh) was such a hated man in Congress?
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Sara jahan ek taraf
joru ka bhai ek taraf.
I can understand what Ashok Chavan must be going through. Like any
other normal husband he would not have been able to refuse his wife
few flats which she had asked for her relatives. I don’t find him guilty
in this case, poor guy should be spared.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
That could be a reason – that VK Singh was an honest soldier (as a good soldier he must have tried to be more honest than the Gandhian Antony!)
btw Antony yesterday made a sattement in a local meeting here about the excessive placation of one community at the expense of others… madam will send him to the doghouse because of that..She did that to him when he made a similar remark years ago after Marad riots
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Antony committed blasphemy, he should be killed.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 5:21 am
All the tips of his fingers must be chopped off.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 5:20 am
Which is why Gen.Singh is considered the worst army chief ever by Pathakji and all the trolls.
Vikram sood in HT is saying exactly same things, which myself and mohan told. Please do not justify center’s stupidity about letting pakistani delegates to meet separatists/ terrorists. Which country in world followa this? Are we emulating some other nation or it is our original gem??. Who is the author of this policy???
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Absolutely right – the incumbent govt. is spineless.
manohar_T Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Vikram Sood is talking through his hat.
Let me tell you why. Some of the points I have made earlier to Mohan.
1) India is not some weak country that the meeting between the ‘Separatists’ and the Pakistan’s Foreign Secretary is going to shake the foundations of the country. Moreover, such a meeting has not intimidated our Government and our Foreign Secretary in the talks that are underway.
Suppose we had not allowed them to meet, only a dumb person will imagine that they do not have any other channels of communication? So let them meet openly. No big deal.
2) We have allowed these ‘Separatists’ to travel to Pakistan and other countries on Indian passports to say whatever they wish.
What these ‘Separatists’ demand is well known. Have we conceded to their demands? No. Therefore what else new they would have discussed in that meeting. As I see it, this meeting is more of a sending a message back home that Kashmir issue is still alive and also to provide some solace to these separatists. They and Pakistan know very well that we are not going to concede an inch on the question of Kashmir.
Having said that, let us move on further.
3) They consider themselves as Separatists. Fair enough. We (that includes the Government) do not consider them so. We consider them to be Indians, just like any other Kashmiri and hope to convince them that their future lies with India. Never mind the fact that they have not budged from their position for the last 60 years or so.
As we treat them as Indians, they are entitled to all the freedom, liberty and rights that are available to all the citizens of India. They are free to travel anywhere in India and abroad, just as the rest of us are.
Imagine, if we were to treat them as ‘Separatists’, put restrictions on them – they cannot meet this person(s) or that person(s), cannot travel here or there, in addition restrict their other rights (in short treat them as as if they are not Indians), then they will have an additional weapon in pursuit of their demands and to malign us.
If they do anything unlawful, then law deals with them (they have been in and out of jail regularly), but the situation in Kashmir is to be dealt and solved politically. Just locking them up for good will not solve anything – others will take their places. It is a very long haul.
BTW: the Northern Ireland problem took decades to be solved.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
@ Mr Manohr
You are only talking theory which is not true at ground level. Why you not come to J&K and stay in srinagar or sopore as Hindu as your name suggest.
Every meeting with Pakistani officer some money is given. Sometimes fake currency is given through Pak embassy. Raw has caught some separatist leaders with fake currency given by Pakistan. No guts to punish them becasue UPA government is scared.
Can Indian ambassador in paksitan meet baluch leaders so openly? baluchi will be killed after that. many Indian ambassador and officer get attacked even if they go to **** market in Karachi or Islamabad.
With evil country like Pakisttan. slap has to be answered with box and kick. Only then jehadi will get message.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 5:18 am
He is Hindu only in name. His posts show his shame in being a Hindu.
manohar_T Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 5:25 am
Once again, I have to tell you grow-up.
You must be naive to imagine that the Separatists get money from them ‘only’ during such meetings. There thousands of way money can be passed on.
Why should we meet Baluch leaders openly, if at all we are supporting them politically and financially, and expose ourselves to the same charge we make against them?
India’s foreign policy is largely party-neutral. What do you make of A B Vajpayee’s visit to Pakistan? Didn’t the NDA have the guts to punish them, as they too were afraid?
You really really need to grow-up.
pankaj#1 Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Wanted to answer you but not feeling like it. I believe, India is a very weak country. You will not believe, but it is true. Having nukes, frigates and warplanes, a million strong Army, means nothing, if there is no resolve to defend your country, and country men. You will not agree with me, but some time things are clearer from afar.Feeling tired defending obvious. May be you have some point somewhere, that is not obvious to me , a simple, normal person. Termites are eating, silently, vitals of this nation of yore. An abode of large part of my life and place of rest for my ancestors.
pranam. You ask me about Jamait being called secular. I tell you this secular- communal is big big game. If you kill hindu in Kashmir and then like gilani say Ok ok only hindu killed, then you can be called secular.
But if Hindu ask for space for Yatra– everyone cry communal communal. ONly Space on rent and even so much money comes with Yatra. But many many Kashmiri Muslim buy houses all over India. That will be secularism.
When RSS protect Hindu and Sikh all seed of donkey will shout communal communal. But when JKLF and Jamait amd LeT kill Hindu, many seed of donkey say, no problem, this is secular.
Gopiji this secular communal is big big game. Kashmir Committe talk to separatist and Hurriya t and Gilani and feel secualr. But will not talk to RSS and say communal communal
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
What Nehru did to keep a gentleman’s word and what his successors did in terms of appeasement resulted in a holocaust in kashmir – thousands of people killed, properties taken over. India was not prepared to deal with Shrimathi Bhutto and Hamid Gul goondas infiltrating Kashmir in the late 1980s and poisoning the environment there. They were caught unaware exactly similar to how Nehru and Krishna Menon were unprepared for and surprised by the Chinese aggression of 1962.
You and your people have suffered a lot. It is time for India to take a decisive action.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Very nice points. You are very well knowledgable of situation. In Jammu where I stay, becasue fo Vaishno devi yatra lot of money come from tourist. But major collection from Jammu tax spent on Kashmir.
All subsidy and budget from Centre, only spent on Kashmir and not on Ladakh , Jammu or Budh, Sikh or Hindu minority area. Lot of corruption here. Situation can improve in Kashmir in case some jhatka is given to Separatist that you will not get pocket money from centre if you shout I love pakistan.
Now, lets’ wait for Congressi’s reaction on this.
“People are fed up with the Congress… it neither did any work which was in people’s interest, nor fulfilled the promises made by it,” Mulayam Singh Yadav was quoted as telling his partymen here in a party release.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
He will get 50+ seats unless Raj Bhaiyya and co indulges in a murder orgy there in UP. I think he will contest the election without affiliaiting with congress or BJP front.
He may be wrong on BJP. Or may be right – because BJP does not behave like a hungry party wanting to win.
Their “signature issue” agaionst Pranab , Ii think is a wasted effort (although Shenoy says it makes sense).
They should get MP right, Karnataka right, and let Modi win big in Gujrat. They should field Parikar, Modi and other youngsters as the face of the party. Sushama, whether she has got campaign money or not from Reddy brothers, is tainted by the mere connection. Country will reward a centre right clean party.
vijay ! Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Strange as it may sound, but the signatures are clearly forged. You can see the difference on the clip being run on IBN.
however with the government beign their own, I am sure it would be overlooked.
Jamaat dress code for tourists in J&K: Do not wear skimpy dresses
P.S.: Those wishing to wear one are welcome in Delhi
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Hai rabba!! We people in jammu and in valley will then hav to buy delhi ticket to see nazaara !
God particle, Higgs Boson, CERN lab etc..
“Prakritim Svam avas ta bhaya
visri jani punah punah
bhuta-Gramam imam Krishna
Avasam Prakritita visat’ (Bhagawad Gita 9-8)
“yaa chapi sarva-bhutanam
Bijam tad Ahan Arjuna
Na tad asti vinayat syan
Maya bhutahan Charachara” (Bhagavad Gita 10-39)
Ancient pronouncement of our Gurus. It is not BJP, or communal; it is Higgs Boson. Sanskrit is an Indian language.
vijay ! Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
can you just rughly translate it so I can enjoy this more. And do it fast before ravi arrives and tries to get the focus onto some pro LeT agenda. …
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
LeT has a principle of hate, killing, elimination – in fact they have moved from “ours” and “theirs” to “ours” and “ours”. Cultureless useless group.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
In addition to the pronouncements of our Gurus, there is a recent and real Indian connection to the discovery. Deccan Chronicle reported that the “boson” name is connected to Dr Satyendranath “Bose”, a physicist who has expounded the theory and done some joint work with Einstein and Higgs. May be some physicist bloggers here can clarify.
pankaj#1 Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
It is not only name Boson, many top scientists in this facility are Indians and the lead scientist, a lady is from India. We should be rightfully proud of this achievement.
vijay ! Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
This is India’s moment also. Here is a clipping on SN Bose from Wikepedia. Before that I must say, ECG George Sudarshan from kerala, who deserves the Nobel prize and has been bypassed at least 5 times, would perhaps one day also eb recognised.
Bose attended Hindu School in Calcutta, and later attended Presidency College, also in
Calcutta, earning the highest marks at each institution while fellow student Meghnad Saha came second. He came in
contact with teachers such as Jagadish Chandra Bose and Prafulla Chandra Roy who provided
inspiration to aim high in life. From 1916 to 1921 he was a lecturer in the physics department of the University of
Calcutta. Along with Saha, Bose prepared the first book in English based on
German & French translations of original papers on Einstein’s special and
general relativity in 1919. In 1921, he joined as Reader
the department of Physics of the then recently founded University of
Dhaka (now in Bangladesh) by
the then Vice Chancellor of University of Calcutta Sir Asutosh Mukherjee,
himself a distinguished mathematician, a high court judge & with strong
interest in physics. Bose set up whole new departments, including laboratories,
to teach advance courses for M.Sc. & B.Sc. honors and taught Thermodynamics as well as
Maxwell’s Theory of
Satyendra Nath Bose, along with Saha, presented several papers in theoretical
physics and pure mathematics 1918 onwards. In 1924, while working as a Reader at
the Physics Department of the University of Dhaka, Bose wrote a paper
deriving Planck’s quantum radiation law
without any reference to classical physics and using a novel way of
counting states with identical particles. This paper was seminal in creating the
very important field of quantum statistics. Though not accepted at
once for publication, he sent the article directly to Albert Einstein in Germany. Einstein,
recognizing the importance of the paper, translated it into German himself and
submitted it on Bose’s behalf to the prestigious Zeitschrift für Physik. As a
result of this recognition, Bose was able to work for two years in European
X-ray and crystallography laboratories, during which he worked with Louis de Broglie, Marie Curie, and Einstein.
After his stay in Europe, Bose returned to Dhaka in 1926. He was made Head of the Department of Physics. He
continued teaching at Dhaka University and guiding. Bose designed
equipments himself for a X-ray crystallography laboratory. He set
up laboratories and libraries to make the department a center of research in
X-ray spectroscopy, X-ray diffraction, magnetic properties of matter, optical
spectroscopy, wireless, and unified field theories. He also published
an equation of
state for real gases with Meghnad Saha. He was also the
Dean of the Faculty of Science at Dhaka University until 1945. When the
partition of India became imminent, he returned to Calcutta to take up the
prestigious Khaira chair and taught at Calcutta University until 1956. He
insisted every student to design his own equipment using local materials and
local technicians. He was made professor emeritus on his retirement. He then
became Vice Chancellor of Visva-Bharati University in Shanti
Niketan. He returned to the Calcutta university to continue research in
nuclear physics and complete earlier works in organic chemistry. In subsequent
years, he worked in applied research such as extraction of helium in hot springs
A Pakistani mob has taken a man accused of blasphemy from a police station and burnt him to death, police say.
The man was being held for allegedly burning a copy of the Koran in public. The incident took place on the outskirts of Bahawalpur, in Punjab province.
Witnesses said hundreds of people looked on as he screamed for help.
Pakistan’s controversial blasphemy law imposes the death penalty for insulting Islam, but it is rarely carried out.
This act of barbarity is atrocious and the perpetrators should be caught and tried
~~~ HIGGS BOSON AND ALSO HOW LUCK PLAYS A PART ~~~
Being a small guy trying to do some original research, I am often stuck by the fact that many an accident and error actually help you in getting results. We have seent his in the case of the discovery of penicillin where the culture got mixed up.
And in the case of SN Bose, an error led him to the path which the world marvels at today.
here is another excerpt on Bose. And how he accidently commited the error which got him the result.
Possible outcomes of flipping two coins
One of each
There are three outcomes. What is the probability of producing two
Since the coins are distinct, there are two outcomes which produce a head and
a tail. The probability of two heads is one-quarter.
While presenting a lecture at the University of
Dhaka on the theory of radiation and the ultraviolet catastrophe, Bose intended
to show his students that the contemporary theory was inadequate, because it
predicted results not in accordance with experimental results. During this
lecture, Bose committed an error in applying the theory, which unexpectedly gave
a prediction that agreed with the experiment (he later adapted this lecture into
a short article called Planck’s Law and the Hypothesis of Light
The error was a simple mistake—similar to arguing that flipping two fair coins will produce two
heads one-third of the time—that would appear obviously wrong to anyone with a
basic understanding of statistics. However, the results it predicted agreed
with experiment, and Bose realized it might not be a mistake at all. He for the
first time took the position that the Maxwell–Boltzmann
distribution would not be true for microscopic particles where fluctuations
due to Heisenberg’s uncertainty
principle will be significant. Thus he stressed the probability of finding
particles in the phase
space, each state having volume h3, and discarding the
distinct position and momentum of
Einstein who presented this view for twenty years agreed with him. Einstein
translated the paper to Zeitschrift für Physik in
Bose’s name under title Planck’s Law and Hypothesis of Light Quanta, in
The reason Bose’s “mistake” produced accurate results was that since photons
are indistinguishable from each other, one cannot treat any two photons having
equal energy as being two distinct identifiable photons. By analogy, if in an
alternate universe coins were to behave like photons and other bosons, the probability of producing two heads would
indeed be one-third (tail-head = head-tail). Bose’s “error” is now called Bose–Einstein statistics. This
result derived by Bose laid the foundation of quantum
statistics, as acknowledged by Einstein and Dirac.
Einstein adopted the idea and extended it to atoms. This led to the
prediction of the existence of phenomena which became known as Bose-Einstein condensate, a dense
collection of bosons (which are particles
with integer spin,
named after Bose), which was demonstrated to exist by experiment in 1995.
In the House of Lords today a tongue tied lord inadvertently invented a new spoonerism.
I have Barked for many years at Banklays.
manohar_T Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Great. Can it be classified as spoonerism?
Ravi Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
With a bit of a stretch, may be!!
Advaniji gave best solution to Jammu and kashmir.
Not many people know LK Advani sanctioned dam project to block water in case Pakistan get more jehadi. That is scaring Paksitan very much. His idea to block water show Pakistan that India also mean business.
many people on blog think Pakistan are normal. As Ravi has shown in example below, Paksitan is full of mad jehadi who only want to kill non Muslim. Tomorrow they even kill kashmiri Muslim as many kasahmiri Muslim are Shia.
But Kashmiri Muslim today think they and Pakistan are like heer and Ranjha. It will be good if we treat paksitani like they treat India. In case they bomb– we should double bomb. In case they send fake currency we can send double fake currency.
manohar_T Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 4:40 am
If L K Advani ever made such a suggestion (I do not recall reading it or is it a figment of your imagination), it is the most juvenile idea from a ’seasoned’ politician and the ‘tallest’ leader of the BJP.
The flow of river waters are governed by international treaties. Even during 1965 and 1971 wars, we did not stop or restrict the flow and rightly so. Even during WW2 in Europe, there was no attempts made to stop the flow of waters in the rivers that crisscross the continent.
What should we do if China starts restricting the flow in the Brahmaputra and other rivers that flow into India?
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 4:56 am
It is an absurd idea.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 6:44 am
Flow of terror and arms is also regulated by international treaty by UN. In case pakistan do not follow international treaty on terror why should India follow treaty on water?
manohar_T Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 7:44 am
First answer my question, then I will yours.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 9:00 am
China is already putting Dam on Brahmputra. China already in POK and has got territory. India is afraid of China and will keep silent.
In Pak front, Pakistan always putting blame on India and has caused many dam breaches. Give them taste of jehadi medicine. Trouble India and we will do nasbandi of water.
Ansari, Chandra Deo, Jamir in race for vice-president, BJP may not contest
The names of Vice-President Hamid Ansari, Tribal Affairs Minister V Kishore Chandra Deo and former Nagaland Chief Minister SC Jamir are doing the rounds as the vice-presidential candidate of Congress while BJP may leave it to its allies to put up a nominee.
Meanwhile, BJP is not keen on putting up its own candidate as the numbers are not stacked in its favour. It may instead bank on one of its allies fielding a candidate and supporting him or her.
Unless one of our senior leaders insists on contesting knowing well that he or she will lose, we are not likely to put up a candidate. However, if one of our NDA allies or a non-Congress party puts up a candidate we will support him,” a senior BJP leader said.
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Does Vice Presidency mean much in India
manohar_T Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 4:48 am
It is. The Vice-President becomes the Chairman of the Rajya Sabha and the contest indicates the strength of the ruling party in the both the houses of parliament. There are host of other responsibilities, too.
I get a feeling, whenever I visit India, that people sporting janeu, Tilak, wearing Dhoti and may be Choti( rare now a days) are object of derision and may be insults, while people, having Beard,( Minus Moustaches), Skull caps, wearing Aligarhi Pyjama, get differential treatment. Generally, these people are aggeressives, get attention, while ordinary Indian Hindu, suffer insults, Why?? Is this the secularism, which is being practiced by India??. Give me one example, only one example, where majority is treated so shabbily by rulers, who are elected by us. These bas… have fine tuned a strategy to remain in power and destroy India from within. Now, only RSS and BJP are weak , flickering light of solace, who can delay this onslaught
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
All the bas— know how to win elections. Elections are won by margins of victory is provided by the Muslim constittuents, especially in the Northern states. Hence the constant appeasement , even when they do not want it – if you remember, Congress, Mayawati, and Yadavs were competing each other in the last UP election on 9%% Muslim reservation, Muslim girl education etc. These Muslims would not have received this level of pampering and pandering even during the Moghul times!
pankaj#1 Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
You are right. Any solution???
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
The only solution is for majority community vote against the appeasors. But then ShivSena is not a good alternative either!
A performing BJP can be a good alternative. They may be, if they can get their house in order, and focus on winning elections.
They totally mismanaged the UP election , (so also Ccongress)
pankaj#1 Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
I am eqally angry with BJP. These nincompoops have been exposed by Gopi, times and again. No appeasement, every citizen is equal. Rule of law must prevail.Period.
Ravi Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 4:51 am
Would’nt it be nice if we were to replace Sharia with Ram Rajya.
We go on beating people and killing them but because we will be asking Gopi to recite Shloka from Gita at least it will ensure that the deprating souls will go straight to heaven.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 6:50 am
No shloka in Gita justify handchopping, beheading, whipping.
You want to equate dove witha a pig so that the dove also gets badnaami. Sharia laws are like pig.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 4:39 am
Which is why we have allowed the majority to be reduced to a minority, may be within the next one hundred years.
Pakistan double dealing, intolerance, terrorism – impact on the world/south Asia/India
A land of hypocrites, country of double standards, double morals, double vision…
It may go the way of yugoslavia
Anonymous Reply:July 4th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Why is India incessantly pursuing talks with Pakistan with all these facts? Does not make any sense — or is it because they do not have these info?
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Agree. But our experts are struck on “hope” as a strategy..
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 3:55 am
I had posted yesterday that Pakistan is like a scorpion. It is in their
nature to sting and spread poison and still there are some people who
want to keep friendly relations with that terrorist country.
Thanks. It will be difficult for them to get out of the mess (getting foreign aid, immigration to other countries etc) now since the whole world knows about their duplicity.
3000 dogs, Osama hunters are being raised by CRPF. These dogs have amazing capability to hunt bad people. Tum karo to Rass Lila, hum karen to character dheela? ( Pajama, I mean). No more hiding behind, Human rights, Democracy, and all the BS you espouse. You are friend, but misguided, and I have to use some difficult words.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 4:31 am
misguided is apt description, but a ‘friend’? I have my doubts.
manohar_T Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 4:34 am
The grand mufti of falsehoods has just spoken below, which most likely you will concur with, so I will let your message pass and move on.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 4:35 am
It describes the Ayatollah of congressi trolls.
Ravi Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 4:47 am
manohar_T Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 5:01 am
Let us not expend our precious time on this dimwit of a person (BVS), who suffers from IDD and RCD. Let him swim and bathe in the cesspools of hate he creates. Let us move on.
IDD = Intelligence Deficit Disorder
RCD = Reading and Comprehension Disorder.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 6:13 am
Fake Ravi spends all his “precious” time for jihad related work. He spends some expendable spare moments with dim-witted trolls like you here.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 6:43 am
You are Behroopiya Jehadi Dalal like Gilani and Kasab. Mr Ravi, all your writing is only worth fake Paksitani currency.
Go back 2 your bad country otherwise I will make so much fun of your terrorist motive that you will cry .
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 8:29 am
“Human Rights–cornerstone of western civilization”??? are we reading and studying about the same western civilization?
UP CM invites goons for Lunch/ dinner with Pranab mukerjee. Any comments from you two, is/ are welcome.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 4:32 am
It was Akhilesh’s “at home” to Pranab da.And we all know Pranab da is perfectly at home with goons as he is with sadhus.
Why is sex similar to shaving?
Because no matter how well you do it today, you have
do it again with the same perfection.
good morning friends
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 3:52 am
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 4:27 am
Sometimes shaving is a pain in the ***.
my joke on Sonia Gandhi which I had posted last night has been censored.
CONGRESS PARTY DISCOVERS ITS GOD PARTICLE
While nuclear scientists have discovered existence of God particle just now, the congress party had discovered its God particle in March 1998 itself.
It has Sg as its symbol.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 5:17 am
Good one. Stephen Hawking has suggested that Mr.Higgs should get
noble prize . Congress also deserves the same,
we should sign a letter demanding a prize for Congress and send it to Noble prize committee.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 6:09 am
I support your suggestion. Actually the congress party should propose Sitaram Kesari for the Nobel Chemistry Award in absentia.
In absentia not because he is dead, but because it was his absence from his chair for twelve suspenseful minutes during which his pressing bladders made him go to the toilet that momentous day in March, 1998 that the God particle was dicovered and firmly installed on the president’s gaddi.
Chemistry award because his chemistry with almost every CWC member was bad.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 8:34 am
That must be the Indian connection they talk about!
Haryana Khaps withdraw invite to Aamir Khan
Leaders of khap panchayats in Haryana have stalled a move to invite Bollywood actor Aamir Khan to the gathering of all panchayats on the issue of female feticide in Bibipur village of Jind district on July 14. The Nogama khap panchayat, which is hosting the first of its kind mahapanchayat, had decided to send invitation to Khan and his wife Kiran Rao. However, it decided against it on Tuesday, following pressure from powerful leaders of other khaps, who are angry with the actor for portraying them “in poor light” over the issue of honour killings in one of the episode’s of his television show ‘Satyamev Jayate’.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 6:55 am
Amir Khan is doing very good job. Khap will learn from him.
I hope Amirji also does satyamev jayate of all terror leaders who put on sheep cloth of Secularism and shout RSS but secretly support LeT , JKLF and Harkat.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Hope they stop the fetocide even if they do not invite Amir.
btw why is Maharashtra female infanticide number so high? That was a huge surprise — for I expect what to expect from Haryana/Rajastan etc , but MH was totally unexpected
So, is MMS going to wait till prez election to have a finance Minister
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 9:24 am
The new finance minister can wait till there is some money in the kitty.
@ Monahor _T and others
Lot of people may feel becasue I am RSS guy, my word should automatically be classified as Hindu right and then stamped Communal.
This is what heroine of everyone says. I am giving excerpt from Kanchan GUpta column. Again i repeat, it is fashionable to treat Hindu khoon as sasta khoon. I stay in J&K. My families Srinagar shops shut and taken over by Jamait after killing Panda employee and Muslim worker.
But heroine of all press people Arundhati only says
Arundhati Roy: “Kashmir should get azadi from bhookhey-nangey Hindustan… India needs azadi from Kashmir and Kashmir from India. It is a good debate that has started. We must deepen this conversation and I am happy that young people are getting involved for this cause which is their future. The Indian Government is a hollow superpower and I disassociate from it… Earlier we used to talk about holding our high and now we prostrate ourselves before the US… Kashmiris have to decide whether they want to be with or get separated from bhookhey-nangey Hindustan where more than 830 million people live on only Rs 20 per day… In the early-1990s India opened two gates – one for the Babri Masjid and the other for the economy… We ushered in two kinds of totalitarianism: Hindu totalitarianism and the other economic totalitarianism… I am also aware of the stories about Kashmiri Pandits. I must tell you that Panun Kashmir is a false group…”
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 9:25 am
arundhati roy is a lie peddler.. now she has been put in the shed
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 9:27 am
Many journalist in J&K afraid to write truth becasue of jehadi bullet. Easy to make fun of HIndu as no bullet.
But tell truth about Jehadi murder then Jeahadi can kill paperwalla.
Advaniji help speed up Baglihar dam.
With Baglihar dam alone we can do water nasbandi of Pak. In case Pak act funny, just block water. Even 3 yrd old school boy cry if no water given. WHole of Pakistan fall to India feet in case India block water.
When they do Mumbai carnage type terror we can block full water for one month.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
We should use “water politics” if needed.. but carefully
In his book, Kuldip Nayar says Narasimha Rao sat in prayer when kar sevaks began the demolition.
Sharad Pawar played cricket politics when hundreds of farmers committed suicide all over the country.
Manmohan Singh tied his own hands and mouth and sat doing nothing when the country was looted by the ZSonias, Kalmadis, Rajas and Chawans.
Arjun Singh ran away from Bhopal when 25000 people died of poison gas and hid himself in the St.ANNe’s church in Lucknow.
Rajiv Gandhi went and sat beside his mother’s dead body for three days and did nothing when his congress goons killed 4000 Sikh men, women and children in Delhi alone.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Was Kuldip Nayar accusing Rao or stating that Rao was in prayer to get the ‘internal strength” to deal with the emerging problem?
Kuldip should be shipped to Paksitan…He is all awe and admiration for Pakistan..
I guess the pull of the birth place is too strong for many..
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Kuldip Nayar, like Vinod Sharma is a Pakistan lover.
Unlike Vinod Sharma, he has taken Gulam Nabi Fai’s free meals, free travels and free 5star hotel stays, thereby silencing his conscience on Kashmir.
Jab Baat nikalee hai to door talak jayegi …
I saw the visuals of two signatures of Pranab Mukerjea on NDTV India. One appearing on his Nomination Form and the other on his Resignation letter. The two were remarkably different and dissimilar . There are sufficient grounds for suspicions to arise. And moreover when the Letter and its Acceptance were both done on 20 June 2012 and Pranab Mukerjea was not in Kolkatta on that day.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Pranab Mukharji should gracefully withdraw sighting health grounds, because if he says so, he would be committing no forgery, not even a falsehood.
Everybody knows being in the thick of politics and heading a hundred GOMs is what gives Pranab life.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
I am yet to see the signatures in question. Have you got it on the internet somewhere?
new findings on Chola period
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Thanks Gopi ji for sharing this.
Come to think of it, we would have been better off with Sangma endorsed by all parties.
Northeastern states are yet to be brought into the idea of India. Many of the students and workers from theere are abused by people from other parts of India. Delhi and Bangalore had several instances of abuse, with the kids ending committing suicide.
May be with the signature controversy (the signatures look different plus the date issue) Congress should can Pranab.
I should say I liked the industriousness shown by Sangma, traveling to all states and appealing for vote.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
you have said something very nice in this post.
I am rooting for Sangma only because I don’t want Pranab Mukherji as my president one bit.
I am moving to a new house. Busy in shifting won’t be able to join you all guys till late evening. Meanwhile, I came across this and now I am wondering whether discovery of God’s particle is important or this :
Poonam Pandey dares God particle scientists to find G-Spot
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Good luck with the new place
There’s nothing godly about the God particle
By Sunil Rajgur
Science is making great strides forward and all the stuff we learnt in our textbooks years back has become total inadequate to deal with the current reality.
Take the God particle for example. Most of the common populace is deeply mystified by this strange divine particle that miraculously gives mass to the universe. It’s as if suddenly science has found the key to a major mystery that has been puzzling mankind for thousands of years.
The truth is far from that.
The Standard Model is the new model of particle physics.
Now guess out of the dozens of particles discovered, how many are “elementary”?
16! Yes, that’s right.
Let’s name them: up, down, charm, strange, top, bottom, (all quarks), electron, muon, tau, electron neutrino, muon neutrino, tau neutrino, (all leptons) (all quarks and leptons are fermions), photon, gluon, Z boson, W boson (all gauge bosons).
(Confused? Weren’t you happy with just electrons, protons and neutrons?)
Now where does the grand God particle fit into all of this? It’s merely the fifth gauge boson or 17th sub-atomic elementary particle of the Standard Model!
Now imagine two headlines…
God particle discovered!
17th sub-atomic elementary particle of the Standard Model discovered.
Now I don’t have to tell you which article will sell more in the media!
Well today we know of the solar system as four inner rocky planets followed by the asteroid belt with thousands of objects, four outer large gaseous and icy planets, followed by the Kuiper Belt with tens of thousands of objects of which just one is Pluto! Now wonder it was downgraded.
Beyond that is the Oort Cloud with trillions (yes trillions) of icy objects that become can become comets if they stray. Beyond that there’s also an unsubstantiated theory that there may be another dwarf star called Nemesis making our solar system a binary star system!
Then there’s nanotechnology, chaos theory, fractals… the list is endless. Many new exciting fields are coming out, some which don’t get that much attention.
Merely by naming a particle “God” doesn’t make it the be all and end all of things. It is just one stop in a long journey in which Physics still has a long way to go!
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
This is a little unfair on your part, Manohar. You have posted a link to an article from Sify without your own opinion on it. I thought we could argue over almost everything and this ‘God Particle’ couldn’t be an exception.
The scientists have said that the resulting data of their experiment is 99.9999% correct. There are billions of people on this earth. A small minority understand and believe in the findings and a large number don’t understand but still believe in the hysteria created by scientists at CERN.
My take on this is very simple. I think they are making a C out of us – and I may be completely wrong. We are being told that on collision of protons at nearly the speed of light, the Higgs particles have been found which had a mass of 100 to 200 times more than that of the colliding proton and lasted less than a millionth of a billionth of a billionth of a second before decaying into a spray of smaller particles. I don’t believe that anyone had enough time to see it and let alone measure its mass accurately.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
This is a major scientific achievement; solving one key puzzle.
This stupid journalist is beliitling a major accomplishment – not only in substance, but also on ‘project management” scale –labs coordinated all over the world including our Physics lab in kolkotta plus few others.
This is the same journalist who credited Sonia Gandhi with 8 great hits of effective leadership! May be he was upset that Sonia was not given credit by the lab people.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
C stands for what?
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
I am sure you know that Mohan has talked about the national fruit a number of time C banana!!
I think they are doing all this to ask for more money to now build a Super Large Haldron Collider. It could be a part of some business and the scientists had to show some results to get more funds.
Aaloke Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Ishwar, In my view this concept of ” Being able to know everything ” is a flawed concept. We will progressively continue to know more in Universe On bigger side like more Planets,Stars,Galaxies etc and similarily on smaller side like Atoms,Protons,Neutrons and sub atomic particles etc.But we will never reach a stage when we have known everything. It has to do with concept of Infinity and Zero. Universe can be considered to be Infinite and Zero at the same time. Our knowledge at any moment has to do with Limits under which we are operating. There is nothing like absolute or complete knowledge in physical terms. in physical terms, our knowledge will always have an Asymptotic relation with Absolute knowledge.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
If we have manged to breakdown an atom (may be even proton or haldron) into something smaller, tomorrow we could find something even smaller and then even further smaller till forever.
I am a believer in God’s creation – not the big-bang theory. Makes my life much simpler.
P.S.: I didn’t understand much of science or maths at school and never bothered about attending a college.
manohar_T Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
I was tied up with some other chore, hence did not post my comment. It seems, that the whole thing has been made for the media. The author is right in what he has said.
The scientists have said that they ‘may’ have found that Goddamned particle. The journey has just begun – it will be several years or perhaps decades for them to say so definitely that this elementary particle exists.
Your last para is not correct. No one has seen an atom, let alone elementary particles. Their existence is proved by the ‘indirect’ measurements with sophisticated measuring instruments and computer systems. During the experiments a tell tale proof or trail is captured. that is what the scientists study, analyse and reach conclusions. Scientists do not measure these in real time – the instruments do it and store the results. We should not underestimate man’s ingenuity. A rough analogy is a detective investigating a murder case – looks for clues and trail after the deed is done.
Whether the people allowed themselves to be taken for a ride depends upon the individual concerned or blame it on the media. I am not too much exited about this ‘breaking news’ in the sense that an impression is being created that this is the last piece of the jigsaw puzzle and we now know everything. Nothing can be far from the truth. This is just a small step in our quest of knowledge.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Just wondering, how do you possibly find the mass of something which you can’t even see long enough (lasted less than a millionth of a billionth of a billionth of a second before decaying) and all that you have is its trail?
manohar_T Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
I wish I had a doctorate in Particle Physics to explain to you and that too in layman’s language.
The events in the nano intervals of time you mentioned get captured and stored – say similar to capturing an image on a photographic film / negative (*). The reason it has taken 40+ years to suggest that the Higgs Boson may exist, may be partly due to the fact that now we have more accurate, more sensitive and faster instruments to capture events at the sub-atomic level. In the beginning if the 20th century, lot of discoveries were made using ordinary photographic films and instruments, which today would be considered primitive and rudimentary.
* Later I will give some more details.
Having said – many things are determined by the effects they have on other elements / objects.
For example, a asteroid hits the earth, leaving a crater, the asteroid itself getting burnt – leaving no trace of its original size. The dimension of the asteroid can be known by the size of the crater it has created. Of course, there would other factors would be taken into considerations to arrive at a figure.
Ravi Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Try The Quantum Universe: Everything that can happen does happen – Brian Cox & Jeff Forshaw
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
manohar_T Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Thanks. WIll have a look at it.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
I appreciate your taking trouble answering my (funny) questions. It helped!!
I have also noticed that they are expressing the mass of Higgs particle in MeV/c(square). It must be based on the Einstein’s equation of E=mc(square).
manohar_T Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
These are not funny questions. We keep (and should be) learning something new everyday. No shame in asking questions.
eV (electron volt) is the unit of energy used for measurements at the atomic and sub-atomic level. MeV stands for Mega electron volt
Yes, it uses Einstein’s famous equation.
To appreciate how small this unit eV is
624000000000000000000 (18 zeros) eV will be required to light a 100 W bulb just for one second.
manohar_T Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
The events at sub-atomic scale and taking place in a moment of time (a millionth of a billionth of a billionth of a second) use detectors such Compact Muon Solenoid (CMS) and A Toroidal LHC Apparatus (ATLAS), which are able to trace /detect the elementary particles. The latter has been designed by the team of scientists and engineers at the University of Colorado.
manohar_T Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
If you are interested in knowing more about Atomic and Particle Physics, the book mentioned by Ravi, The Quantum Universe is worth a try.
You can download the book (pdf format) for free from
Regarding KulDip Nayar.. – you know he is a buddy of Ghulam Nabi Fia of “kashmir fame”. – may be he, along with others were manipulated by Fia; may be his penchant for human rights oozed out too much…
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Gopi, I agree with you. See my comment below.
Is it true that the Muslim Minister foir education in Kerala has asked women teachers to wear only green blouses?
When Murli Manohar Joshi wanted to introduce Astrology as an optional subject of study in universities, the seculars screamed murder and saffronisation of education.
What does it signify?
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
It is a fact that at two functions of Kerala school teachers, the lady teachers wore green blouses and green bordered sarees/mundus.
Then a section of the media reported that the Edu minister (Abdu Rabb of Muslim league) had sent a circular asking the lady teachers to wear the green uniform.
He says somebody in the department did this mischief; and he has not ordered anything like this. (I tend to believe this)
However, there were three occasions when he refused to light the traditional oil lamp for school functions/youth festivals. He also changed the name of his official house from Ganges to Grace (it has been Ganges since Sir CP Ramaswami Aiyer days through multiple aethist, marxist, PSP, congress and even Msulim league ministers stay) through all ministries.
There are several under currents going on in the state 1) MArxists may implode because of their connection to the murder of a defected leader 2) there is a general feeling in the state that Congress has given away the administration to Muslim league and that Omen Chandy is only a figyre head.. The fact that Muslim League was awarded a fifth ministry (of 20 ministers – and with the Congress’ Muslim minister there are six Muslim ministers) has caused general murmur; two hindu social organizations – NSS and SNDP – have started discussion on joining together and fighting elections..
2014 eection configuration in kerala will be quite different!
Breaking News just now on American TV:
6 Islamic extremists – 5 men and 1 woman all in their 20s – were arrested in London for planning terrorist attacks.
(did not give info on whether they are Paksiatni British or some other root)
Ravi/Shan may be able to throw more light vis-a-vis Olympics.
Ravi Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
It is understood the arrests relate to a possible plot involving Islamist extremists, with potential UK targets.
The arrests are not linked to the Olympics or Paralympics, police added.
Security sources are describing the arrests as “significant”, but there is no suggestion at the moment of any imminent attack, BBC home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw says.
It is understood that police involved in the long-running operation decided to act on Thursday on the grounds of public safety.
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
tks for the update
vijay ! Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
That is probably the Paksitani olympic team preparign to create jehad in the world Olympics.
A man says, “Erasers are made for those who make mistakes”
Another man says, “Erasers are made fro those who are willing to correct their mistakes”
In the end it is all a matter of attitude.
Should we import “Pakistani talent” to Bollywood now since the revelation of the killing of Laila Khan and her family (by her co conspirators/terrorisst for the fear that she will reveal info to the police) has come out.
I am of the opinion that every two way initiative – cultural, commercial, peace discussions etc – should be stopped unless dust settles there (which may never) and a clarity of authority is established.
King of Good Times on borrowed money?
Only this much won’t do. Take off his clothes as well…
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Kingfisher ko bachao. I am holding some shares in this company.
Or I will give my shares to Vijay Malaya and in exchange will ask for few
cases of whiskey.
vijay ! Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
I am holding a kingfisher beer can, But will change to Tuborg now.
When Mohan is away for a while, the jokes are being shared by none other than our PM.
Corruption not rampant in our government: Manmohan Singh
vijay ! Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
This is as funny as Syed Gilani terming the Kashmiri Pandit’s return to Jammu and Kashmir as a RSS ploy backed by Mossad and Isreal.
The language certianly reminds us of a brainwashed moron who tries to get RSS everywehere on this blog, especially whenver the Jehadis are caught with a bomb.
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 4:53 am
It is like Indira Gandhi saying corruption is a global phenomenon.
Thanks for the good wishes. Shifting is very tiring. Tommorow is Friday, a holiday here will complete everything. Now best way to unwind is a peg in a hand and a joke to share with friends. I hope this will not be censored.
A Male’s most important Organ supposedly as described by some of the most beautiful women of the world at the Miss Universe Contest…
Question: Ms India, how do you describe a Male Organ in your country?
Ms India: Well, I can say that Male Organs in India are like labourers.
Question: How can you say so?
Ms India: Because they work day and night…
(Applause! Applause! Applause!)
Question: Ms Singapore, how do you describe a Male Organ in your country?
Ms Singapore: Well, I can say the Male Organs in Singapore are very Kiasu (Afraid to lose).
Question: How can you say so?
Ms Singapore: Because they always want to rush in quick and leave 15 minutes before the show is over…
(Applause! Applause! Applause!)
Question: Ms Malaysia, how do you describe a Male Organ in your country?
Ms Malaysia: Well, I can say that Male Organs in Malaysia are like Proton Cars.
Question: How can you say so?
Ms Malaysia: Because they look tough but are actually very soft…
(Applause! Applause! Applause!)
Question: Ms Kuwait, how do you describe a Male Organ in your country?
Ms Kuwait: Well, I can say that Male Organs in Kuwait are like thieves.
Question: How can you say so?
Ms Kuwait: Because they like to enter through the back door…
(Applause! Applause! Applause!)
Question: Ms Philippines, how do you describe a Male Organ in your country?
Ms Philippines: Well, I can say that Male Organs in our country are like gossips or rumours.
Question: How can you say so?
Ms Philippines: Because they pass from mouth to mouth…
(Applause! Applause! Standing ovation!)
Question: Ms Spain, how do you describe a Male Organ in your country?
Ms Spain: Well, I can say that Male Organs in our country are like our very own Fighting Bulls or Toros.
Question: How can you say so?
Ms Spain: Because they charge in every time they see an opening…
(Applause! Applause! Applause!)
Question: Ms America, how do you describe a Male Organ in your country?
Ms America: Well, I can say that Male Organs in our country are like gentlemen.
Question: How can you say so?
Ms America: Because they stand up every time they see a woman…
(Applause! Applause! Applause!)
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Truly a collector’s gem!!
vijay ! Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Changing house I am sure is for a better premises. So enjoy life… and make us enjoy these jokes!
Anonymous Reply:July 5th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Thanks. Yes, it is bigger than where I am currently living.
Children are growing, they will get married soon.
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 4:52 am
Mohan, select the bed room which has the most windows.
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 4:51 am
This shows why the US, Kuwait, Philippines and Spain are the countries, where men find ‘different’ entrances, while the rest of the world looks for normal openings.
GOI planning to provide medicine, medical supplies to poor patients..good move..even US is struggling with their medicaid!
But, as usual the govt spending will end up in corruption, just like the rural health scheme in UP, the Cattle feed scheme of Lalu, the corrupt ration distribution etc…
Hope this will not end up in ministers, Govt bureaucrats and private business stealing the whole thing.
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Another scam in the make!
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July 9 could be ‘Internet doomsday’ for some (so check your PC or Mac)
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to detect, fix (if infected) and protect your PC. Easy to follow steps on site.
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 5:58 am
manohar_T Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 7:23 am
Please visit the site for another round of detection and fixing on 9th July – say a few minutes past 12 AM on Sunday night (local time).
Terms of incivility
It was always clear that the presidential contest is going to be more revealing for its process than its outcome. Now, the BJP’s prolonged carping on the matter of Pranab Mukherjee’s signature is threatening to turn it into a marker of graceless politics. Admittedly, Purno Sangma is faced with an unenviable task. To make a dent, or even to attract notice to his candidature, Sangma must make a noise, kick up some dust. Yet to insist, in the face of Mukherjee’s denials, that the signature on his letter of resignation from the Kolkata-based Indian Statistical Institute is forged, is to scrape the bottom of the barrel of oppositional tactics and stratagems. But the BJP is not alone in its small-mindedness. Including the names of former PM Atal Bihari Vajpayee and former defence minister George Fernandes in the now withdrawn list of witnesses to be summoned by the Joint Parliamentary Committee on the spectrum allocation scam, has cast unflattering light on the Congress as well. The threat to put in the dock two senior leaders, confined to their homes because of illness and age, is spectacularly insensitive.
vijay ! Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 5:20 am
A forged signature is a forged signature. Thee is even a jail term for it.
What you are implying is that becasue a Congressman has commited this huge forgery, it is more important to blame the BJP fro small mindedness for pointing out this fraud.
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 8:52 am
Marvels of Malegaon
Low on budget, high on joy, this little movie industry is special
Malegaon is 296 kilometres from Mumbai, a dusty, nondescript place with a largely poor Muslim majority population and a power-loom weaving industry in crisis. But these are not the things most newspaper readers would know. Malegaon made headlines because of post-Babri riots in 1993 and has been much discussed for a series of bomb blasts in 2006. Faiza Ahmad Khan’s marvellous film Supermen of Malegaon, released in five Indian cities last week, highlights a less known side of Malegaon: its obsession with cinema.
What makes Malegaon special is that some of these film fans have refused to remain in the thrall of the glittering spectacles that float down from Mumbai and Hollywood. In the early 2000s, an ex-video parlour owner and occasional wedding videographer called Shaikh Nasir decided to remake Sholay with a Malegaon touch. The unexpected success of Malegaon ke Sholay, where Gabbar became Rubber and Basanti became Basmati, led to the emergence of an industry that the town’s residents affectionately call Mollywood, and whose hits include Malegaon ki Shaan, Malegaon ka Rangeela and Malegaon ke Karan Arjun.
But what makes the films of Malegaon remarkable is the sensibility with which they are made. Spoken in the local zabaan, they have a sense of humour that’s unabashedly silly and sometimes oddly profound. If Malegaon ki Lagaan recast the Aamir Khan colonial-era drama as a historical comedy about local power supply, the scrawny Shaikh Shafique, playing Malegaon’s Superman, has asthma caused by urban pollution. Gags about small-town life abound. In one scene, Superman gets a call on his Tata mobile, but as usual there are network problems. So Superman says, “Wait.” He flies up, and then says, “Now go ahead.” In another ridiculous-but-brilliant scene, the villain announces that every Indian, “buddha, bachcha aur jawaan”, should be seen spitting in the streets, in restaurants, in toilets, everywhere. “Because I love gandagi,” he proclaims, in a deep-voiced parody of countless ’80s Hindi film villains.
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 5:53 am
Aamir Khan has also praised this movie. These small budget movies don’t get released here, I will download this and watch.
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 8:51 am
thanks Manohar. This is great.
What is the difference between a bomb and a condom.
A bomb blast reduces population while a condom blasts increases.
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 6:50 am
The second blast is internal, the first one is external.
~~~ A PRESIDENT FORGES SIGNATURES.~~ WHY PUNISH thieves then?
If Pr-nab Mukherji’s signatures have been forged and he is backing the forger, let us start a movement for maximum punishment.
Otherwise tomorrow the cheque forgers and credit card forgers witll just say in court that “remember even the biggest post of India has been achieved on forgery… we are small fish…”
We should also remember that the biggest fall in morality i India happened when Rajiv gandhi was accused of Bofors kickbacks. I the PM was percieved to be a thief and now the Congress will create a forger of a President…. not even shouts of MOdi modi RSS RSS will be able to cover the fall of India
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 6:59 am
The present president too faces fraud and forgery charges in respect of her loans in various co-operative banks run by her family and then closed as losses. Her husband and son too face criminal cases.
Now the would be president too is facing forgery charges.
It looks like Sonia G likes only forgers and frauds as president.
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 7:03 am
Vijay , Ishwar , Shenoy Saab
The visuals of the two signatures and their close-ups were shown on NDTV India. I have not tried to see if those visuals are also available on the NET. However I have read that Pawan Bansal , has tried to explain one as his “normal signatures” and the other as his “formal signatures ” . Now I wonder which of the two paper’s was not a formal document … his letter of Resignation or his Nomination Form .
Now the other question is regarding the date … The third question is regarding the Accepatance … is MGK Menon competent to accept by himself. Usually the Appointment and the resignations of such postions are formalized by the Governing Councils of such bodies.
Fourthly if Pranab Mukerjea was not present in Kolkatta then how was that letter despatched ? It must have been formally recieved in ISI and record of that receipt has to recorded in some register , its processing , its acceptance and then its communication . These are some questions which legitImately arise.
However the law is that if the RO has accepted the Nominations the electoral process continues and the Result can be challenged only subsequently.
But surprisingly it is Sangma and BJP which are being blamed and criticized for raising this issue in some sections of the Media …secular as they are .
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Congress Shame shame is very visible in forgery.
vijay ! Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 9:27 am
Praveen as Shekhar has said, the COngres shame shame is visible!! We can see its shame shame !!
SC quashes CBI probe against Mayawati in disproportionate assets case
In a relief for Mayawat, the Supreme Court on Friday said that there was no material evidence against the BSP chief in the alleged disproportionate assets case against her.
The apex court said it had never asked the CBI to investigate Mayawati’s alleged disproportionate assets while ordering registration of FIR into Rs 17 crore Taj Heritage Corridor scam.
“The CBI should not have lodged disproportionate assets case against Mayawati as there was no direction regarding it from this court,” the SC bench observed.
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 6:21 am
The way police and CBI collects vidence against politicians that it becomes impossible for court to convict them.
Where Purohit is concerned, since last four years police is trying to collect the evidence which will some how hold him guilty. Till then he will
remain in jail.
manohar_T Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 7:20 am
In this case, it seems that the CBI went overboard (no prizes for guessing on whose behest). The Income Tax Tribunal (a judicial body) had given her a ‘clean’ chit. The CBI was only supposed to be concerned with the corruption case re: Taj Corridor case.
You are right – the politicians are having a field day.
We have discussed the differences between a corruption case and a criminal case – the evidence and investigation will be always be slower in the latter case.
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 9:12 am
What we have is a banana republic..
I never thought MMS will say that “we are not corrupt government”..
Has he lost “it”?
manohar_T Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
It is the same as Modi saying there is no corruption in Gujarat. We do not have to believe everything the politicians say.
HC snub for Narendra Modi govt; governor to decide on sanction to prosecute minister Purshottam Solanki
In a snub to the state government, the Gujarat high court on Friday directed that governor Kamla Beniwal will take the “final decision” on granting sanction to prosecute minister Purshottam Solanki for his alleged role in a Rs 400 crore fishing contracts scam. The court, however, rejected the contempt plea against chief minister Narendra Modi over the state government’s refusal to give sanction without the approval of the governor. The government had on June 29 decided against granting sanction to prosecute Solanki, the minister of state for fisheries, on a plea in this regard.
CBI – Congress bureau of Investigation filed such a weak case against Mayawati that SC had no choice but to squash it. And now hypocrate Congress says this.
Congress not to appease Mamata
Jayalalithaa’s demand to scrap training unlikely to echo in Delhi
Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Jayalalithaa’s demand to scrap training courses for Sri Lankan Air Force personnel is unlikely to find takers in New Delhi because Sri Lanka and India, just last week, have decided to enhance cooperation in security issues.
Asked for a reaction, a senior official said that Sri Lanka could not react to the demands of a Chief Minister of an Indian State. All bilateral issues were discussed and decided by Colombo and New Delhi, and hence, there was no need to respond, the official said.
When there is an outside factor that affects training, as had happened earlier, the defence institutions moved the trainees to another facility in a ‘neutral’ State.
Despite relations between the two countries not being at its best in recent times following the Indian vote for a resolution against Sri Lanka at the United Nations Human Rights Council in March, defence and security cooperation between the two countries are firmly looking up.
Gopi, please note how regional parties play local politics with national issues, the point I had raised earlier, which you had not agreed with. In my view, she will remain a regional leader.
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 8:50 am
She is making the demand to be one up against Karunanidhi and to please a substantial voting block; no regional/national play. She will behave the appropriate way if she is in centre. She is no dummy
manohar_T Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 8:53 am
We will see about that.
manohar_T Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Govt bows to Tamil Nadu politicians, sends back Sri Lankan trainees
China must be laughing all the way to Colombo Airport and probably step in to train their Air Force.
Mauritius offers India 2 islands in effort to preserve tax treaty
How far will a country go to secure a favourable deal for itself? Pretty far, it seems. Mauritius has offered a couple of sun-drenched islands to India as part of a trade and investment deal. While the offer has been talked about for a while, Mauritius has revived it – at a time when it’s very keen on persevering with the 1983 double-taxation avoidance treaty with India.
Mauritius foreign affairs and trade minister Arvin Boolell said that it was up to India to use the islands to its advantage. He said the “blue economy” had great potential. India could use North and South Agalega Islands (which are located 1,100 km north of Mauritius and have an official total area of 70 sq km) for setting up hotels and tourist resorts, for trade, marine studies, or for building a strategic presence in the Indian Ocean, official sources told TOI. North Agalega Island also has an airstrip.
Ishwar and others
Other than the ‘discovery’ of the Goddamned Particle, here is something else mankind has been making strides. It may be of interest to you.
Voyager – the Interstellar Mission
A truly amazing journey into the unknown.
The twin spacecraft Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 were launched by NASA in separate months in the summer of 1977 from Cape Canaveral, Florida. As originally designed, the Voyagers were to conduct closeup studies of Jupiter and Saturn, Saturn’s rings, and the larger moons of the two planets.
As the spacecraft flew across the solar system, remote-control reprogramming was used to endow the Voyagers with greater capabilities than they possessed when they left the Earth. Their two-planet mission became four. Their five-year lifetimes stretched to 12 and is now near thirty years.
The Voyager mission was designed to take advantage of a rare geometric arrangement of the outer planets in the late 1970s and the 1980s which allowed for a four-planet tour for a minimum of propellant and trip time. This layout of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune, which occurs about every 175 years, allows a spacecraft on a particular flight path to swing from one planet to the next without the need for large onboard propulsion systems. The flyby of each planet bends the spacecraft’s flight path and increases its velocity enough to deliver it to the next destination. Using this “gravity assist” technique, first demonstrated with NASA’s Mariner 10 Venus/Mercury mission in 1973-74, the flight time to Neptune was reduced from 30 years to 12.
Voyager 1 has crossed into the heliosheath and is leaving the solar system, rising above the ecliptic plane at an angle of about 35 degrees at a rate of about 520 million kilometers (about 320 million miles) a year. Voyager 2 is also headed out of the solar system, diving below the ecliptic plane at an angle of about 48 degrees and a rate of about 470 million kilometers (about 290 million miles) a year.
From another link
“We’ve been surprised by Voyager again and again,” Christian says. “I actually think that the Voyager mission is one of NASA’s best success stories. That both Voyagers are still working well, nearly 35 years after launch, and sending back important science from 10 billion miles away is truly amazing.”
In about 200,000 years or so, one of the craft might come close to another star, Christian says.
Though they will lose the power to transmit data back to Earth sometime between 2020 or 2025, both will continue their journey into deep space.
“The spacecraft will go on forever,” Stone says.
So, what is the latest on 2G?
Kanimozhi and Raja are back in TN politics (having particpated in the jail bharao program against Jaya).
Has JPC wrapped up?
Will this also be like all other scams – zillions gone, no skeletons.
~~~ CONGRESS SHAME SHAME IS VISIBLE ~~ !! BEAUTIFUL !!! ~~~
Shekhar gandotra, hats of to you !! Yes… a remarkable remark indeed!!
Congress’ shame shame has been visible right from the day Quotrochchi consorted with the Gandhi family and flew away like the cuckoo!! In between we have seen thousands of crores of scams…. and the shame shame of Congress !!
Congress shame shame is visible every time it nominates a dynast saying that rest of you 1.2 billion Indians are not fit to rule because your mom and pop were not PM.
Congress shame shame is visible all the time when even its President claims a degree from oxford which turns out to be fake– much like Zardari and its nominee for president of India is either a domestic servant of the Yuvraj or a forger!!
Shame Shame!! of chamchas and media is also visible….!
Ramdev backs Bluestar Memorial
Yoga guru Ramdev on Thursday supported the controversial decision of Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (SGPC) to build a memorial to those who were killed during Operation Bluestar while resisting the security forces sent into the Golden Temple in June 1984 to flush out the armed terrorists.
“ It is a good thing if communities preserve and protect their heritage and self esteem,” Ramdev said, while adding that political parties should refrain from making any statements on opposing the memorial.
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 9:31 am
well, as you say, it is a free country
manohar_T Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Yes, it is a free country.
But to many (may be to some here too on the blog), it may be discomforting vis-a-vis Baba Ramdev’s stance
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 9:47 am
It is a problem Manohar.
Why did US dump bin Laden’s body in the ocean?
Forget what Ramdev said – he is not a policy or rule maker. How can India Govt or the state Govt allow a memorial?
manohar_T Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
I suppose, there is nothing in law against someone (private individuals and organisations) building memorials to ‘honour’ anyone.
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I am glad we are a law abiding country!
The whole Thambaram episode related to the training of Sri Lankan air force personnel reinforces that we are a banana republic.
First of all, the defence dept should have selected a non-TN location for training.
And more over, with all the clouds around Sri Lankan actions, any government to government deals should be a decision taken at the cabinet level and not yet a bureaucrat level. I will bet zillion that this decision to train was taken at a low level.
Second, they should have either said no to Jaya or moved them to another location instead of packing them off back to Colombo. Sending them back without training sets a very wrong precedence.
Congresss has assured Jaya all the 40 or so Lok Sabha seats with their action.
The decimation of DMK is complete with this move of Jaya,
manohar_T Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
It is a very bad move and disaster as far as our relations with Sri Lanka are concerned. Of course, local politics is playing out to the disadvantage of nation’s international relations. We can debate whether UPA with a shaky majority was in a position to withstand the pressure.
Perhaps, they will go back now and 1) they will come back later to some other air-base / training school outside of Tamil Nadu or 2) Indian trainers will go to Sri Lanka to train them there.
We cannot let St Lanka fall into the arms of China or Pakistan – the Tamil politicians cannot think beyond Rameshwaran and Cape Comorin (Kanyakumari).
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
It is not the fault of Tamil politicians.
it squarely rests on the feet of the central govt/defence department.
Sri Lanka is under international radar on the excessive force and torturing of Tamil separtists/ aka prabhakarns army. Tamil Nadu has been asking the central govt to join the international push.
Any joint military exercise or other govt to govt programs, in that context, has to be made at the highest levels of govt, possibly with input from the state govt.
Having made the decision, they should have stuck to that. Or at least they should have moved the trainees to one of the other numerous centres, instead of packing them off to Sri Lanka.
And Siv Sankar Menon is there in colombo structuring deals!
manohar_T Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
I am not absolving the centre for succumbing to pressure. It should have arranged the training outside of Tamil Nadu to begin with. Even if it had been so, who is to say that there would have been no demand to send them packing?
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
We dont know that, do we?
I think the COngress should do a chintan baithak on why they are launching a forger as the next president.
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Well, we are good at segregating and finding some redeemable qualities.
I am sure many will say he is better than the totally useless old servant in the big house now.
I wonder why cong did not go after the minority/Dalit angle with Sangama. Unless they think Sangama’s minority group is not accepted by other minorities as one of them.
vijay ! Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Yes Pranab has some good qualities. He was better as a Foreign Minister than as Finance Minister. Full Bong lung power and extrovert qualities were visible then !
He did get on well with the opposition and was a good trouble shooter for the COngress.
But…. a wrong signature is a wrong signature. A Finance Minister knows that … and many a finance frauds are caused by wrong and fraudulent signatures. Tomorrow Virbhadra Singh, Ashok Chavan or Raja can say that they that did not sign the files. — Somebody else’s signatures.
Similar a President cannot be seen to be getting away with a fraud of signatures.
IT WILL SET A VERY BAD EXAMPLE FOR THE YOUNGER GENERATION !!
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Pranab was a predictable Finance Minister. Things will change for the better now.
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Gopi, Vijay Kumar,
Sonia Gandhi never forgets and never forgives.
She never forgave Kalam for showing her the door and telling her that she is a foreigner. She had told everybody including the BJP in 2007 as also now, “anybody but Kalam”.
Sangma had gone out of the congress on the issue of her foreign origin.
Therefore, even if the Vatican had asked her to make Sangma the president, she wouldn’t have relented.
Take these men off death row
In no fewer than 13 cases, the Supreme Court has held the death sentence
to have been wrongly given. The mistakes must be corrected before it’s
With a dark and chilling feeling we recently read about the wrong Carlos who was executed in the United States for a crime he did not commit. An extraordinary investigation by a Columbia law professor and his team led to the revelation that due to a series of mistakes from investigation to trial, Texas executed Carlos De Luna for a crime committed by Carlos Hernandez. But it came too late for poor Carlos De Luna.
The judgments by which the Supreme Court had sentenced them to death were declared “per incuriam” by subsequent Benches of the Supreme Court. The words per incuriam mean by carelessness or ignoring the statute or the law. But they will go to the gallows, in the name of the people, because of admittedly erroneous judgments, unless their sentences are commuted by the President.
The credibility of our criminal justice system and the constitutional promise of equality before law will suffer a terrible blow if they are executed despite erroneous judgments. This article does not raise the larger question of retention or abolition of death penalty. It only argues for the administration of the death penalty in accordance with law.
The Supreme Court, even in India where the judges do not sit en banque, speaks as one Court. The voices we hear are not the voices of the different judges; what we hear is the Voice of the Court. Here the Supreme Court has acknowledged and named the judgments which were “in error”. Yet, nothing has been done in rectification.
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Are we talking about India when we make the statement “the credibility of our criminal justice system and the constitutional promise of equality before law”‘ –
Audacity, thy name is Indian journalism
“credibility of our legal systems” ….my foot
manohar_T Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
So let your foot be.
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Many Supreme court judges have a suspicious past and present.
KG balakrishnan has a relationship with business
Justice Sabharwal was linked to builders
But most have been upright. In fact many have overturned the deaht sentence given by lower courts.
well, a soothing article.about getting pregnant eastern way
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
vicky donor … has come east. Praying has gone west… SO east and west are meeting . Nice article…
Yesterday was the 110th death anniversary of another lion of India, Swami Vivekananda..
His clarion call to indians- “uttishtitha,Jagratha, Prap Varen nibhodia (arise! awake! don’t stop until the goals are achieved – Kato upnishad 1.314) is as valid now as it was to get the British out.
The country is in the slavery of entrenched politicians, corrupt bureaucrats, non-accountable police force and judges
Breaking News_____——-++++++_____________Breaking News
Pranab Mukherjee is technically right. It is now unofficially and unconfirmedly but reliably learnt that Pranab Mukherjee did resign his directorship of the ISI.
Actually he was in a tearing hurry to clear all the files relating to some 300 GOMs he was heading.
Besides, he had a lot of papers to burn. So confusion was visible.
And in his confusion, he sent the resignation letter to the wrong ISI!
It is now learnt that his resignation letter was received by Pakistann’s ISI office in Delhi, which was later forwarded to Syed Ali Shah Geelani, the grand mufti of separatists for acceptance.
It may be recalled here that SM Krishna too was confused and read the speech of Spanish FM instead of his own speech in the UNO recently. Pranab da’s case is similar and its effect is also similar: ALL IJJJJJ WELL.
Therefore, let us accept him as president of India for the next two terms.
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
good show !
All the media men will spin like latoo (top and topless) to create stories that “aisa chotti moti cheez se bore mat kar…”
Pankaj Vohra has already written a blog on this…
As a finance man, signatures on board resolutions and resignations are sacrosant for me and basis for crime and punishment. Dhirubhai, Pranab’s favourite businessman was once caught in a tangle becasue of his signatures in the classic 80’s drama
Pranab’s mistake may be as common as viral flue and tax evasion. But then being caught makes all the difference
@ Vijay, Gopi, Manohar, Shenoy and all other friends
Am coming to the blog on this weekend after a break. I notice that this has the maximum postings as compared to most blogs. Congratulations to all you guys.
On my part I have learnt something here., even rather late in the day,
Never to vote for families and dynasties which have captured the centre and state governments.
Anyway continue blogging guys. I can only peep in once a while…
A nun comes to her mother superior & asks her to hear her confession. “Today i enjoyed the pleasure of the flesh. Father murphy came to me & told me that i had the gates to heaven between my legs. Then he said that he had the key to heaven & put it in the gates.”
“*******” cried the mother superior, “for years he’s been telling me it’s gabriels trumpet & I have been blowing it.
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Great joke!! Will make my weekend stress free!
We are a step away from anarchy–
Uttishtitha! Jagratha! Prap varen Nibhodita!
Time to rise..
agree with everything he says in this op-ed article
Another Shavet Lingham Professor Christophe Jaffrelot on the RSS
..while the role of RSS foot soldiers – including pracharaks like Sunil Joshi – in several bomb blasts have been ascertained, the implication of senior leaders has not been proved so far. In an hand written letter dated 15 Oct. 2008, Purohit emphasises the part that Indresh Kumar – a member of the Nagpur-based executive body of the Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh – played in connection with Abhinav Bharat people. He even mentions, referring to the Gujarat blasts of July 2008, that he was “instrumental in carrying out these actions”. These words reconfirm the confession of Swami Aseemanand2….
My curiosity has been piqued further by reactions to Outlook’s cover story about ‘Hindu terrorism’ a few weeks ago. Already, hundreds of comments have been posted, indicating the mindset of certain sections of the Indian middle class. A large majority of these posts reflect a deliberate politics of denial: for their authors, none of the facts emerging from police investigations are convincing enough because Hindus, in their minds, cannot be terrorists. One commentor assumes bluntly that “hatred doesn’t form part of the Hindu way of life.” When Nathuram Godse killed Mahatma Gandhi, was he motivated by exclusively positive feelings? There was probably some hatred in this follower of VD Savarkar, whose portrait now hangs on the wall of the Lok Sabha. …..
Read on ….http://www.caravanmagazine.in/Story/461/Hindutva-s-Politics-of-Denial.html
There is absolutely no need to believe a single word of what this mediocre, leftist, post colonial imperialist, JNU type, Purveyor of hearsay, corrupt, on Congress Pay Roll, Jewish hermaphrodite, eternal victim, अछूत, out-of-touch Professor says
Anonymous Reply:July 6th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
get a life….Watch wimbledon.. keep London safe of the extremist jehadis
Aaloke Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 3:22 am
Every small shred is picked up and a mountain is made of it. This shred is paraded , hypothesized as the FINAL EVIDENCE. Proofs are presented in very long boring manner mixed with words like ALLEDGED,”Someone Claimed”,” Someone Heard” and mostly Hearsay. When it comes to presenting proofs in form of Chargesheet, there is none. It is not that Hindus can not indulge in violent act, but major purpose behind these LITERARY FEATS is to show that Hinduism is as violent as Islam if not more ,and thereby to underplay Islamic terrorism. Naturally no sense of PROPORTION is maintained. Most of the times this is due to “ENTRAPMENT IN INTELLECTUALISM” , Yogender Sikand being only one of those who got to his senses, maybe because he was still young. Mostly people falling into this trap have to continue with it as sub -consciously they find, having taken a particular thought process as their defining creed, it is too late and risky to go back. They will loose their Label of “Intellectual”, that would be a great fall.
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 5:00 am
this fake Ravi, being dark skinned, white walrus mustacheoed, loves to believe whatever the Jefferlots, Wendies and Nassbaums of the white world dish out for the followers in the jihadi community, with whom they share their hatred for Hinduism.
For most of these Hindu-hating “scholars”, the lure of the lucre is much more than any need for truth and proof.
Yogendra Sikand was an aberration, whose conscience just refused to compromise on lucre.
pankaj#1 Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Right diagnosis. Lure of the lucre is the correct word. Any ****** magazine, obscure or not so obscure author, and there are people( world wide league, with deep pocket) to purchase these, so called intellectuals, who are now selling their , name and so called fame. Some of them are costly prostitutes and some are cheap.
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Prostitutes they all are definitely.
The stock markets now are like an old man’s dick. Just refusing to rise,
and irony is that everyone is still getting screwed.
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 6:07 am
A daily dose of financial viagra may help to “uplift” the markets.
Gujarat woman milking millions in dairy den
VADODARA: Ramilaben Govindbhai Patel hasn’t been to college. But at 43, she earns what some CEOs take home. Nothing fancy here. She milks cows every day and supplies milk to a dairy co-operative. She milked Rs 1.10 crore – Rs 1,10,17,675 – net profit in 2011-12, to be precise!
How to play Poker
Two couples were playing poker one evening. Jim accidentally dropped some cards on the floor. When he bent down under the table to pick them up, he noticed Les’s wife, Sue wasn’t wearing any underwear under her dress! Shocked by this, Jim upon trying to sit back up again, hit his head on the table and emerged red-faced.
Later, Jim went to the kitchen to get some refreshments. Les’s wife followed and asked, ‘Did you see anything that you like under there?’ Surprised by her boldness, Jim admitted that, well indeed he did.
She said, ‘Well, you can have it but it will cost you £250.’ After taking a minute or two to assess the financial and moral costs of this offer, Jim confirms that he is interested. Sue told him that since her husband Les played golf Friday afternoons and Jim didn’t, Jim should be at her house around 2 p.m. Friday afternoon.
When Friday rolled around, Jim showed up at Les’s house at 2 p.m. sharp and after paying Sue the agreed sum they went to the bedroom, and closed their transaction. Jim quickly dressed and left.
As usual, Les came home from golf at 6 p.m. and upon arriving, asked his wife: ‘Did Jim come by the house this afternoon?’ With a lump in her throat Sue answered, ‘Why yes, he did stop by for a few minutes this afternoon.’ Her heart nearly skipped a beat when her husband curtly asked, ‘Did he give you £250′?
Sue, using her best poker face, replied, ‘Well, yes, in fact he did.’
Les, with a satisfied look on his face, continued, ‘Good. He came by the golf club this morning and borrowed £250 from me. He promised he’d stop by this afternoon and pay it back.’
Now THAT, my friends, is how poker should be played…………
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 4:41 am
£250? Do they come so cheap in UK?
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 4:54 am
It shows how thick the friendship is.
pankaj#1 Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 10:57 am
MIDDLE AGE IS WHEN YOUR OLD CLASS MATES ARE SO GREY AND WRINKLED AND BALD THEY DON’T RECOGNISE YOU.
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 4:55 am
Yes I have started realizing this too.
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 6:06 am
I too have found some of my former classmates giving a blank look when I meet them.
Shekhar Gupta on media: ‘Thugs and masters of universe’
Gupta said, “On the print side, majority of us are dishonest, thugs and thieves; and on the television side, many of us feel we are the masters of the universe.”
His tone became mocking when he said that most of the television anchors would fail basic general knowledge tests.
Shekhar Gupta has stopped short of saying what few yers back a guy working in media had told me that most of the journalists are blackmailers.
manohar_T Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 4:46 am
Thanks for the link. Will have to look for the complete speech.
AshishC Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 5:08 am
Yeah, right. The same guy who published the scare mongering story of a coup…
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
For a change, he is right.
Parrikar, People’s CM
Here’s a salutary lesson for our politicos. A guard at a Panaji five-star hotel recently stopped Goa CM Manohar Parrikar for a security check. Not recognising the CM, who had arrived sans the usual police escort, the guard barred Parrikar’s entry – for the fifth time since his chief ministership. Rather than ask for his head, the CM praised the guard for his diligence. Are our VVIPs listening?
BREAKING NEWS++++++ BREAKING NEWS
TIME MAGAZINE DECLARES MANMOHAN SINGH AN UNDER-ACHIEVER.
AshishC Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 5:06 am
Bah! Renowned Sanghis like Fareed Zakaria write for the Time Magazine.
Ravi Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 7:15 am
Is Renowned Sanghi an example of an oxymoron?
What is common between a HiggsBoson and a Saffron Terrorist?
HiggsBoson is real, Saffron Terrorist. is hearsay.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 7:44 am
You seem more and more like Lashkar and SIMI terrorist. Many people said you want to see RSS everywhere becasue you are afraid Abu Jandal expose ISI hand.
Like Paksitani you try to raise RSS to divert attention from your brother Hizbul and Lashkar.
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 5:23 am
Article says that India needs reboot,but instead, India has got a robot
-MMS- whose remote controll is in hand of Ms. Gandhi.
Instead of reading the article Congress leaders will start celebrating at the fact thar Times has put photograph of our PM on their cover.
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 6:05 am
Some people need to be booted out before India can reboot.
Ravi Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 7:07 am
I was wondering how Nitish Gadkari would behave if the remote which is in Mohan Bhagwat’s hand was snatched away from him.
A re-booted BJP with NO RSS control will become a cetnre right political party, worthy of being elected.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 7:42 am
You are very scared of RSS. I think you should see some jhaad bhook doctor to get over fear like Bhoot praet etc.
Was a time, not so long ago, when religion was called the “Last refuge of the scoundrel”.
Now, it would be fitting to say, either that
“Religion is the last refuse of the scoundrel” or “Religion is the first refuge of the scoundrel”.
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 5:14 am
100% agree with you. Religion is the refuge of scoundrels and the worst part is that many gullible peope believe in these scoundrels.
Ravi Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 7:25 am
For most people “Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel”.
However, what kind of scoundrels do we get who combine Religion with Patriotism and hood wink people into voting for them.
kosy Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 9:00 am
so subhash chandra bose was scoundrel for you
Ravi Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 9:26 am
You’d need to read Samuel Johnson to understand that
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 9:35 am
You think then Abu Jundal and Gileani is not scoundrel but Subhash Bose and Bhagwat is scoundral. I think so you are like bit of joker. You should take namkaran sanskar of “mera naam jehadi joker.”
I hope you like my small joke.
AshishC Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Trust you to catch me sneaking in a misquote. But, hey- extreme nationalism leading to xenophobia and religious zealots- yes, they do have a lot in common.
It would be safe to say, in response to your poser, that you would only find scoundrels who combine religion with patriotism among the Sangh Parivar, correct? Because Hinduism allows you to be nationalistic. Forgive me my fun … it rained in Delhi after long .. and I am kind of delirious with joy.
I asked you couple of questions sometime back, to which I received no response. I will ask them again.
1. Was Ram Rajya, as enunciated by MKG, a secular concept?
2. Is Ram Rajya an idyll? You may quote from Wendy or Martha or Kancha or any such.
Thanks to your jibe about the word renowned. I am happy to use the word well known instead. The rest of the sentence, in all its wide-eyed innocence stands.
Ravi Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 11:50 am
I had two reasons for not responding to your questions.
1. The original post was already on page 6 and apart from you no one else would have read it.
2. Your mischief was shining through your questions,
in other words, the answers would not have completed your knowledge they would have just demonstrated how I side-stepped your obvious devious ploy to entrap me into a losing argument.
At least one of those reasons still stands.
Should you wish to discuss the matter, then I suggest you
state your opinion and then not only I but others will join in to discuss if Ram Rajay is a Hindu or a secular concept together with does secular mean total absence of religion or equal treatment of every one.
You are of an age which is neither a good host to innocence or to wide-eyes.
However, let me rehearse a new excuse for total denial – it is all a hear say, no court has ever adjudicated that MKG ever postulated the existance of Ram Rajya.
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
A fake accusing a solah aana asli of mischief!!!!!
pankaj#1 Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
As usual, it is a treat to read you.
AshishC Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Thanks; all in fun.
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 9:29 am
“constitution” is now the first (or last?) refuge of the scoundrel. The right wing parties in the West including the Tea Party of US are now experts of their constitution deciding and denying
You are seeing RSS hand everywhere. You must be Lashkar or Hizbul man.
You are very scared of RSS and Indian nationals.
Aisa toh nahin ki some RSS man is behind your birth? Like Amitabh Bachchan in Trishul now you want to take revenge?
Ravi Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 7:42 am
I thought I was Bose D K
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 7:51 am
But why you see RSS everywhere? RSS very nice people. They want united India. Come to Jammu and see how they protect innocent against Lashkar bully.
Many times before Lashkar like to plant bomb all along Jammu and on highway. But after RSS show strength, lashkar does potty. Lashkar and Hizbul only kill innocent in Sopore now, where RSS not there.
vijay ! Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 8:17 am
Congrats !! you have matched Raviji intellect to intellect. The difference is you are positive, full of hope and talk about Good India. While Ravi is negative and talks about destroying India from inside.
You are doing well as a blogger and we all hope you would show the mirror of truth to Raviji. We all bloggers hope and pray that for every negative, anti-India comment Raviji gives, you should answer on behalf on fellow patriotic Indians who want this country to touch the sky in achievements.
We would like to know more about how RSS can tame the Lashkars, JKLF, SIMI, IM etc.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Thank you for your nice words. I am not hi fi–wifi etc like you Delhi-bombay-London people. I am simple man, wanting country to be free from bomber and anti-national.
Hindu-Muslim-Sikh are like brothers to me. India is like Mother.
If I say any wrong by accident– maaf kar do. Otherwise if you nice people like my comment, I will continue to tell truth.
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 9:37 am
I wish RSS all success in JK in stabilizing the state, in preventing killings and hopefully in resettling the thousands of Pandits who have been driven away.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Thank you sir. The danger in J&K is danger which will spread all India. for centuries invader come from that path.
Problem is most Muslim people here only are converts of last 100 years. Yet they forget forefathers religion. Even now big conversion movement on. Budh people being forcefully converted in Ladakh area.
However if Muslim convrt to CHristian or Hindu religion death is sure shot in valley and upper regions.
RSS is a big danger to LeT and Hizbul. However RSS is pro HIndu-Sikh_muslim. Only love for India.
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
we are all happy that you have come back to this blog after a gap. You may be a boy from the Jammu out-backs, but it is nothing to be ashamed of or feel sorry about.
As Vijay Kumar rightly pointed out, you have corralled the fake Ravi and nicely collared his propensity for anti-Hindu out-pourings.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Thanks you, Shenoy Sahab.
I am small town boy but angrezi mein haath tight. Otherwise I would have given IAS exam!
Leave this man Ravi to me. I will do to him what RSS do to lashkar. Make them do potty everywhere.
rao Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
rss means rumour spreading society.rss is gang of murderers,homosexuals wife swappers,infant burners,hawala dealers,scamoperators,riot directors,bomb planters and pople involve in all types evil act.
any type of deregotary adjective is less as compare to their deed.they were also master mind of 26?!!.
vijay ! Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 11:39 am
RSS has spread the rumour that you are a rear appendage of a donkey…
~~~ MOHAN !! WE KNOW WHAT YOU ARE UP TO !!! ~~~~
You were off blogging for a few days. And now I know aap kahaan the’!!
Just read this item on Yahoo !!
If reports are to be believed Sonakshi Sinha is dating a man much older to her in real life. » Who is he?
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 10:49 am
If Shatragun Sinha hears this he tell you ‘ KHAMOSH’.
looks lke Pranab’s candidacy has done one good thing..Marxists are imploding..
Saudi Arabia has been handing over wanted Islamic terrorists, Abu Jindal being the second or third this year.
Looks like they have put a stop to our boys (?) hiding in Saudi Arabia after their training/post killing stay in Pakistan.
Is Saudi Arabia leaving Pakistanis to do their tricks themselves without any Saudi cooption?
Suicide bomber kills 7 of his own family!
Guess he must be the martyr of martyrs among Jehadis–A true believer!
How the education system of PAkistan breeds terrorists.. Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy presentation.
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Pakistan breeds terrorists and strangely India is again considering to restart cricketing relations with them.
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Well, some of the Muslim Womens Colleges here in Hyderabad look like the ones in his slides on Pakistan.. With the burqua penguins walking around..
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Dr Hoodbhoy is an Ismaeli. He should be careful; the extremist Jehadis may kill him.
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Fake Ravi has already had him in his cross hairs for some time now.
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
He should be admired for his courage in speaking up. They have killed prominent people like Salman Tazeer, and the minister in Giliani cabinet (the Christian guy- they killed him because he is Christian and he criticized the blasphemy law)
manohar_T Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
It is not only that. In Pakistan, the whole history of the sub-continent has been twisted to justify the two-nation theory that has been proved wrong.
Manohar, yesterday you pointed this out:
It clearly smells of corruption at the highest level. If the treaty was fair, where was the need to give away two islands to us. The govt. is talking right and hopefully something like GAAR (GAAR aims to target tax evaders, partly by stopping Indian companies and investors from routing investments through Mauritius or other tax havens for the sole purpose of avoiding taxes) would come into affect soon. At least officially, we should have no treaties with tax-havens without putting restrictions (a minimum expenditure of $200,000 in Singapore and a two-year track record, etc to avail tax benefits) like the ones we have with Singapore.
I also loved your post on Manohar Parrikar and the poker joke, BTW
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Ishwar , it may be a good thing that Manohar Parikkar is honest , unassuming and not pompous an example for the other Netas to emulate , but do not forget that he comes from a communal party. Also personally I am in favour of GAAR as it may be able to curb the mega corruption of the country …although in the short term it may act as a dampener of foreign investment , much of it ofcourse is slush Indian money..
manohar_T Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
A) There are several points to note.
There is an allegation or is a fact that a) unaccounted domestic funds are being routed through this route b) this route is used by the underworld to pump in money for their nefarious operations. The source of funds is suspect – all that money laundering and tainted money.
As you must be aware – the main bone of contention of the treaty with Mauritius (and also with Cyprus) is the Capital Gains Tax (CGT) on the securities traded on Indian Stock Exchanges. We get no CGT and there is no CGT in Mauritius, the traders (not investors) are laughing all the way. How does Mauritius otherwise benefit from it?
I suppose it is the financial sector that benefits and also generate local employment. It collects normal taxes / fees from the Companies and Individuals.
Now to the points
1) Allowing the present arrangement to continue ensures our diplomatic clout and friendly relations with Mauritius – though this treaty is not the only factor for the above. As I keep saying it – there is no such thing as free lunch or a cheap lunch. Whether we wish to fund these lunches can be debated. Their apparent offer of two Islands is a manifestation of the same – no free / cheap lunches for them either. So it will some give and take.
Just had a look. It seems, Mauritius is coming around to our point of view, but with riders.
2) I do know how much much tax (CGT) – in absolute terms or as a percentage of total tax collections – India does not get to collect and in the process get to expend.
The question to ask is whether the GOI should have X amount tax in its kitty with vastly reduced amount of inflows or no or minimal tax with inflows that we require. Needless to say – these inflows liberate local funds for other purposes.
In my view, the above and the routing of domestic funds / tainted money are mutually exclusive and the latter needs to be tackled separately.
B) Manohar Parrikar is the right man in the wrong party and the Congress is not the right party either. What say?
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Mr. Parrikar is the right man in the wrong party ? Can you please
tell me which is the right party in our country ?
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Regional parties like AIDMK or BJP at a state level (Modi, Manohar) are defining what a political party should be – inclusive robust development of its citizens.
BJP has a chance to redefine and reposition – peoples “national pride” goes up when the economy improves. BJP is the ideal party to capitalize on this. However, they have to make people believe they are better than Congress. They are not demonstarting a good example in MP
manohar_T Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Many months back I put forward an idea for a new party (minus the unwanted ideological baggage) made up of these good men and women – Manohar Parrikar, Nitish Kumar and Vasundhara Raje Scindia. Suresh Prabhu (ex SS!, as I do not know whether he is still in the party). Like the RSS, the Shiv Sena does not maintain a membership register, one is in the party if the ruling family recognizes the person. Dinesh Trivedi (TMC) is to be counted in. One can expand upon the list.
Under no circumstances Narendra Modi for obvious reasons, Sushil Kumar Modi should be OK. Also no Jayalalitha – court proceedings are under way in Bangalore for corruption and this ‘new’ party not to have room for ‘empresses’ or ‘dictators’. It would a truly a democratic party and Amma will not play ball.
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
As long as Mauritius limits the tax benefits under the treaty to its resident investors who fulfill certain conditions, it is welcome. In a bid to attract so-called FDI (our own black money), relaxing the rule is not the right thing to do. It is practically legalising it. Where else would these funds go? If they are not invested in our stock market, most likely they would go to the real-estate which won’t be too bad either.
Also, as per you, even if the party is wrong, it has a few good men
manohar_T Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
1) There is not enough money in Mauritius to make a difference.
Some more questions
2) Would you or anyone know what %age of the funds is undesirable? Does the GOI have any proof in support and if they know, what action is being taken domestically?
3) Indirect investment in securities market ‘legitimately’ or direct investment illegitimately in real-estate or other sectors. In any case, the GOI cannot get its hands on its legitimate tax dues. Which is a lesser evil?
The bigger point to ponder is that an honest man gets ‘penalised’ and the dishonest one ……. How do we correct this injustice?
Yes. No party is perfect. A party is as imperfect or perfect as the society is. I like your phrase – few good men, the rest seem to be …
Chidambaram as telecom EGOM will be a joke: BJP
manohar_T Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Of course, it will be a joke to Bharatiya Jokers Party (nomenclature courtesy – Swapan Dasgupta).
However, by this move the UPA has cocked a snook at the BJP, who keep accusing and demanding resignations of any minister they ‘fancy’. It is also the confidence Dr, Manmohan Singh and Sonia Gandhi have in P Chidambaram.
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
It is confidence or arrogance or may be known crook is better
than unknown crook.
manohar_T Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
My reading is that the Congress has realised that blinking even before the opposition and some of the allies grunt has damaged their image and has resulted in policy paralysis. I believe the message has already gone to Mamata – enough is enough. Now this is to take on the opposition (BJP).
Maybe arrogantly confident. Whether it pays dividend or not, we can wait and watch.
pankaj#1 Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
I believe these blogs can be retrieved. So your sayings may come to haunt you. you are supporting looters and dividers, communalists to the core.
manohar_T Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 7:02 am
Haunt me! If so, then it will be my problem and I will know how to handle it.
Wife : Come help me plant my roses.
Husband : What do u think I am? A gardener?
Wife : Come fix the toilet drain.
Husband : What do u think I am? A plumber?
Wife : Come fix the door handle.
… Husband : What do u think I am? A carpenter?
The husband went out…
But when he came back, he saw that everything was fixed. The rose garden, toilet drain & the door handle.
He asked his wife who had done it?
The wife said its the neighbour , but he gave me 2 options
Either to make him a burger or have sex with him…
Husband: I’m sure, u gave him a burger!
Wife : What do u think I am? Mc Donalds?
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
I am glad that you shifted to your new apartment.
Now we are getting more jokes per sq.ft. And more juicy humour per kbs.
Is the infighting in karnataka BJP going to affect the 2014 elections? Or will they patch up by then.
Looks like Yedurappa still has a lot of clout. Will it be a negative?
From a recent article by Tavleen Singh
” the Indian political landscape today has become a desert in which only the stunted progeny of stunted political leaders bloom. We need our political parties throw up real leaders and we need a political discourse in which real problems are discussed, so we can stop fishing “secularism” out of the dustbin of history and holding it as a shining ideal. its relevance faded a long time ago”
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Though secularism faded a long time ago but it is still alive in vested
political parties and on our blog.
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Well, BabyG did not get any votes in UP! They did not take his secular hoopla (or took Maulyams secular hoopla)
~~~ YAYYYYYYY !! TAVLEEN SINGH JOINS MOVEMENT AGAINST ~~~~
_———————— N A U K E R C Y ———————————————
FRIENDS, Indians and countrymen,
The movement against naukercy is growing by leaps and bounds. Tavleen is a very very important voice to join this movement against dynastic succesion. So all we bloggers are now on a winning rolll~~ !!!
Ler us now request Pathak G and then Vinod Sharma ji to campaign against Dynasties, fuedal families, and NAUEKRCY !
Ishtiaq Ahmed agrees with other fact-finders that the beginning of ‘the
process’ were the March 1947 massacres that took place in and around Rawalpindi.
This was what triggered a chain of destruction and suffering that culminated in
the attainment of the ‘national’ goals. Let me give you a sample of the evidence
collected and carefully weighed by him. First an excerpt from the report of
All-India Congress Committee that he quotes on page 174-5: “These were not riots
but deliberately organised military campaigns. Long before the disturbances
broke out secret meetings were held in mosques under the leadership of Syed
Akbar Khan … ex-MLA, Capt. Lal Khan of Kahuta, Tehsildar and Police
Sub-Inspector Kahuta, Maulvi Abdul Rehman and Kala Khan MLA, in which jihad… was
proclaimed against the minorities and emissaries were sent out to collect
volunteers from the rural areas…. The armed crowds which attacked Kahuta, Thoa
Khalsa, and Nara etc. were led by ex-military men on horseback… armed with Tommy
guns, pistols, rifles, hand grenades, hatchets, petrol tins and even carried
field glasses…. First of all minorities were disarmed with the help of the local
police and by giving assurances on oaths on the Holy Quran of peaceful
intentions. After this had been done, the helpless and unarmed minorities were
attacked. On their resistance having collapsed, lock-breakers and looters came
into action with their transport corps of mules, donkeys and camels. Then came
the ‘Mujahideens’ with tins of petrol and kerosene oil and set fire to the
looted shops and houses. Then there were Maulvis… with barbers to convert who
somehow or other escaped slaughter and rape. The barbers shaved the hair and
beards and circumcised the victims. Maulvis … performed forcible marriage
ceremonies. After this came the looters, including women and men.”
——Very interesting article on a Pakistan website Tribune. Read on.
pankaj#1 Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
i have purchased this book by Ishtiaq Ahmed, a costly one, but should be worth reading. Would like to blast away, one apologist here.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 8:48 am
There are two actually, one perpetrator and the other apologist for the perpetrator.
India gains its own Diego Garcia.
Diego Garcia is a tropical, footprint-shaped coral atoll located south of the equator in the central Indian Ocean. It is part of the British Indian Ocean Territory.
UK leased it to USA and moved its mainly Indian Population to Mauritius, without due compensation.
The US Navy operates a large naval ship and submarine support base, military air base, communications and space tracking facilities, and an anchorage for pre-positioned military supplies for regional operations aboard Military Sealift Command ships in the lagoon.
Diego Garcia played a very important role in both the Gulf wars and is likely to be the base from where any attack on Iran will be launched.
The real reason for India acquiring two Islands from Mauritius is to extend its Military Reach. Tax treaty is merely a mechanism which provides a civil and an acceptable camouflage for this military objective.
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Island abhi aaya nahin aur conspiracy theory already in action
Ravi Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Where is the conspiracy in this. It is obvious even to Stevie Wonder
I think your over familiarity with world affairs is overshadowing your simplicity.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Mr Ravi aantakwadi
When Lashkar and Hizbul cliam J&K land, you are very happy.
India get land you are cry baby.
I think you should save your own land on your backside from Lashkar who occupy it day and night and have fun.
Please do not feel sad for MOther India which is growing worldwide
Ravi Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
बहुत खूब जवाब दिया, बहुत खूब. अब विजय कुमार खप्भौन्सर्डिया की इंतजार करो वोह तुम्हारा हौंसला बढाएं गे
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
You are seeing RSS hand everywhere. Remember Lashkar aatankwadi like you are made to do potty by RSS in Jammu everyday
Seems RSS hand in your janam
vijay ! Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Very bad Ravi! Ab gaali de kar apne apna standard reveal kar hi diya!
manohar_T Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
People it seems are reading more than what you have written – bringing in the RSS, Hizbul, Lashkar (all together, birds of the same feather?) – how appropriate.
Ravi Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
They are not reading.
manohar_T Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Looks there is an RCD epidemic on the blog. Already three are suffering from it.
RCD = Reading & Comprehension Disorder.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
I think you are trying to equal RSS with Lashkar. This is very old Congress formula and also fromula of Pakistani aatnkwadi.
Come to jammu and see that when Lashkar aatankwadi come, even Congressman run into arm of RSS for saving.
You will have no words of wisdom for killers of kashmiri Pandas. Nothing to say about fake kidnapping of Rubaiya Saeed done as nternal plan or even open mixing of aatnakwadi with PDP.
But come to j&K and live here. ou will need RSS support or aatqankwadi will get you
Indians on Time magazine cover – for whatever it is worth
Jawaharlal Nehru – 6 times (from 1942 to 1962)
Mahatma Gandhi – 3 times (from 1930 to 1947)
Indira Gandhi – 2 times + once jointly with Yahya Khan
Mother Teresa – 2 times
The following have appeared one time
Vallabhbhai Patel (1947)
Subhash Chandra Bose (1938)
Lal Bahadur Shastri (1965) + once jointly with Ayub Khan)
Nizam of Hyderabad (1937)
Krishna Menon (1962)
Atal Behari Vajpayee (*)
Rajeev Gandhi (1986)
Manmohan Singh (2012)
Sonia Gandhi (2004)
Narendra Modi (2012)
Parveen Babi (1976)
Sania Mirza (2005) (Asia Edition)
Aishwaraiya Rai (Asia Edition)
Sachin Tendulkar (Indian Edition)
* though the cover story was about India’a Nuclear Test and his face is part of the graphic.
NB: These are cases that are known to me.
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
I would have guessed Shrimathi Indira Gandhi was there more than twice – not that it matters much.
Ravi Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Manohar I am sorry to do this to you but……
I think you are trying to equal RSS with Lashkar. This is very old Congress formula and also fromula of Pakistani aatnkwadi. Come to jammu and see that when Lashkar aatankwadi come, even Congressman run into arm of RSS for saving. You will have no words of wisdom for killers of kashmiri Pandas. Nothing to say about fake kidnapping of Rubaiya Saeed done as nternal plan or even open mixing of aatnakwadi with PDP. But come to j&K and live here. ou will need RSS support or aatqankwadi will get you…..
I am just trying what it feels to suffer from RCD.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
I think you enjoy more feeling backside of Lashkar aatanwadi !
Anonymous Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Latest Indian on Times cover is our PM and he is criticized by the writer of the article as being under achiever. Was any other Indian also criticized when he/she graced the cover of Times?
manohar_T Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
I do not know. Time magazine was not on my regular list of reading material and some of the issues date back to period when I was not even born.
pankaj#1 Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Are you trying to equal RSS to lashkar?? I have serious problem with this equation. nationalists, patriotics, simple people versus Poisonous, Scorpions and in Quranic language: Wazib- Ul -Qatal.
manohar_T Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 6:56 am
The problem is yours. I have no problem.
On the surface they both claim to be social service organisations, but underneath …..
Ravi Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 8:03 am
And both of them are religious focused. Both hate the other religion. Both are ultra Nationalistic. Both seek the destruction of the other.
They are similar not only on the surface but even deep down.
Ravi Reply:July 7th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
The strap line for Modi in the Time Magazine was……
But can he lead India?
Even the Times doubts that he can.
Contrast that with “Sonia Shining – In a stunning upset, Congress and the Gandhi family regain power in India” when Sonia Gandhi’s picture was on the cover of the TIME.
Mahatma Gandhi was “Man of the Year” in 1931.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 3:04 am
“even the Times doubts that he can “.. even??? Is Times to decide who will run India or Indians?
It will be great for India and the world if Modi leads India.But as you know a people gets a leader theyd eserve – so it canbe Sonia, Yadav, Jagan reddy…
Uthishtitha! Jagratha! Prapa varen nibhodita!
Amir Khan’s Satyameva Jayate has found an almost religious appeal among all Indians. (media, as usual, has been critical about “poor research” , the show is preachy, messianic..)
Anna Hazare movement also found a mass appeal cutting across language, religion, region…(media as usual , criticized Anna as messianic, preachy, “poor research (because he is a lowly havildar”)…
Ramdev has been finding a huge base all across cutting across language, religion, region (media , as usual, ridiculed him for being a simpleton, snake oil sales man (as if all the political leaders sell some other oil), no scientific knolwedge…
Yearning for a change is all over the air. I hope a manger/organization man like Kejrwal can amalgamate these emerging forces, bring in the youth, and set the transformation in place.
This country cannot be left to politicians – for the breed we now have is quite different from the Nehru/Kamraj days, or even Shrimathi Indira Gandhi/JP Narain days. Murderers and thieves are everywhere.
~~~ BREAKING NEWS !! RSS jawan from Jammu SLAYS muridke LeT !!~~
JUST BACK FROM welcome monsoon party launched by a close friend to welcome the first rain parched Delhi had….
And three Beers and good laughs later… I am back nt his blog!!
Surprise Surprise !! Our Gabru Jawan from Jammu has literally torn apart the LeT spy from Muridke !!
Wah Shekhar waah !! Lage raho!!
Ghuspathioyon ko jannat bhejo!
A letter by Aruna Roy a member of NAC to the chairperson of NAC Ms. Gandhi
One question. And One only, Are you a milder version of….
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 6:11 am
One simple, plain, straight forward answer: yes, Fake Ravi is an asli jihadi, very very Islamic fundamentalist and this congressi troll is a milder version of the same thing. He supports whatever fake Ravi vomits here on this blog.
When you are in love you make wonders happen.
Once you are married, you wonder what happened.
Please read an article by Tavleen Singh in Indian Express: Peace with Islamists: Should open, will it? I doubt, of many secularists her, who are proud to hate Modi and RSS.
A mess called Maharashtra.
While all this was going on, what were the people of Maharashtra doing? Wringing their hands in frustration and grumbling, but nothing more than that. Fat lot of good that does. It’s not just about the disgraceful history of one building, ‘Adarsh’ (which has aptly been labelled The Tower of Corruption). It is about the brazenness which has come to define the running of this once great state. Look at the shambles it is in —chief ministers come and go with the frequency of recycled stale samosas; musical chairs are played with top bureaucrats —the ones who are out of favour with current political bosses go to jail, the others waltz around freely offering pathetic alibis; our cops are ridiculed and mocked for chasing teenagers, while the really big fish (terrorists included) roam around the city freely picking their next targets to bomb. Civic officials talk about converting Mumbai into Tokyo, a comment that makes Mumbaikars gag —all this nonsensical talk while India’s premier city rots. Each year we act like heavy rains are a huge surprise, when for centuries we have suffered monsoon devastation. Confronted by these routine hazards, our successive CMs either grin fatuously (Vilasrao Deshmukh), or scowl menacingly (Prithviraj Chavan). Solutions? You must be kidding. Responsibility? Don’t joke.
Meanwhile, our precious Prime Minister gives himself a generous character certificate and declares there has been ‘no explosion in corruption’ under his watch. So, what is Singh waiting for? A corruption holocaust that wipes us out? But he adds self-righteously, “I have maintained a high standard of integrity in my conduct.” Matlab? It’s okay to look the other way when party colleagues are looting the nation, so long as his hands are clean? Come on, Mr Singh. Ever heard of collateral damage? If this is the message filtering down from the very top, it is inevitable that we shall have to live with more fires breaking out in various government departments over the next few months.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 6:02 am
Ab mujhe samaj mein aa raha hai,…… matbal, …….aap Mumbai chhod ke Dubai kyon gaye.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 7:29 am
What has happened/is happening to Mumbai/Maharashtra is disgraceful.
Will ‘tyranny of cousins’ decide who’ll rule in ’14?
The great achievement of our Constitution was to create strong incentives to behave impersonally in public life. But India’s political parties have become family firms. They are overflowing with relatives and cronies, thus undermining the impartial principle. This is at a time, ironically, when our best companies are managed by professionals from outside the family. Almost a third of India’s parliamentarians in 2009 had a hereditary connection, according to Patrick French in India: A Portrait. Every MP under the age of 30 had inherited a seat; more than twothirds of the 66 MPs under age 40 were hereditary; every Congress MP under the age of 35 was hereditary. Because of the ‘tyranny of cousins’ merit does not prevail. Since there is no democracy inside any party, the inheritors often behave like feudal lords. Napoleon would have called these mediocrities “hereditary asses, imbeciles, and this curse of the nation.” This is why it is so difficult to come up with a leader for 2014.
manohar_T Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 5:06 am
That is why we need a brand new party, as I mentioned yesterday.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Is it a question of new party alone? What about the fu–d up constitution? Bureaucracy that is set to serve one set of babbus instead of the Btritish babus? Laws?
manohar_T Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 8:56 am
To begin with it has to do with a new party. The rest will follow in due course.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 9:31 am
DMK was a “new” party then. Patnaik is a new party. BJP, comparatively speaking, does not have a dynasty. Unless rules, laws, constitution change; unless party nomination processes change; nothing will change
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 7:26 am
And Shrimathi Indira Gandhi took away even the “privy purse” of the kings and princes and nawabs since there was no role for inheritance in modern independent democratic India..
The only solution is for Amir Khan/Anna Hazare/ramdev and the millions of people who believe in changing the corrupt system work ceaselessly at it.
Uthishtita! Jagratha! Prap varen Nibhodita! (Swami Vivekananda from kato upnishad)
~~~ CONGRATS !!! OUR MOVEMENT IS SWEEPING INDIA !!! ~~~~
Some blogs back I and fellow intelligent bloggers started this movement against family dynasties and naukercy !!
Mohan’s post today adds to what I have been saying…
Tofay whole of India is following this. The avalanche is growing brothers!!
Pathak G made fun of me and got angry ….
Manohar said thera dimaag bigad gaya hai ….
But look brothers, Vijay Kumar was one guy who was among the initiaters of this anti nauker movement. The movement to kick out family dynasts. the movement to install dunce prices like Baby G by sycophants, toadies, and chamchas,
Today the revolution is on
Jai hind !!!!!!!!!!!!! Yayyyyyyyyyy !!!
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 7:48 am
The hereditary dynasty will prevail as long as the party central authority decides/nominates the candidates to contest, instead of a democratic process within the party. We are destined to this type of party corruption and family dominance unless we have a primary type system to nominate party candidates instead of a centralized party high command.
I had a great opportunity to watch the American primary process in action when 8 or 9 candidates were fighting to become the Republican party nominee for Presidency before Mitt Romney was settled.
Ravi Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 7:57 am
I agree that grass root democracy will make sure real talent rather than dynastic connection rises to the surface.
However, things are not as simple as that. In US those who stand for Democratic/Republican Party actually believe in the underlying ideology of those parties.
Not every politician in India is like that. Many many will fight an election for ANY party that gives them the ticket, regardless of its ideology. This is beacuse these people seek power rather an opportunity to serve our society.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 8:06 am
You are absolutely right The political party there in a sense is a “notion’ “idea”; not an elaborate organization/apparatus; and not a nominating organization or policy organization.
Another beauty of the primary process is that it shuts down breakaway parties by individuals disgruntled by not getting a party seat because no party decides who the candidate is, people decide.
Indian origin Bobby Jindal and Nicky Haley would not have become Governors (equivalent to Our chief minister) but for the primary process. I cannot imagine something like that happening through an electoral process here.
Their democracy is a product in permanent refinement over 230 years. Ours is still a young democracy; however, I think we do not want any refinement, because the inheritors now do not want any other inheritors!
Ravi Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 8:20 am
I know what the benefits of the PRIMARY system are.
However, Indian society which functions very much on Caste/Clan/Tribe lines will probably deliver similar results with or without the Primary system.
In other words Lingayats in Northern Karnataka would have still returned Yedurappa had the Primary System been in operation.
Do you think that the emergence a new dynasty in the UP would have not happened had there been a Primary System.
For a US system to suceed in India, we need Indians to behave like US people at least in the political arena.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 8:36 am
I do not think so.
MK Stalin, karunanidhi’s son, was the DMK nominee and MLA from my constituency for many years. The seat was “his”, DMK machinations and goondas made sure the party won until last year when Jayalalitha tsunami hit.
I am sure there will be some caste/religion etc considerations. MK Stalin would have contested among many other DMK candidates to be the DMK candidate of Thousand Lights instead of giving it to him on the paltter
Ravi Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 8:43 am
I think if what you are saying is that the Indian Polity is capable of changing sides, particularly if it sees excesses being committed then I would agree. Afterall that happened to Indira Gandhi too.
However such events are one-offs rather than a structural change of the kind that would bring about in India Primary type true politics.
I am an optimist, and expect that we would evolve into such a system in metropolitan areas but the rest of India will stick to its conservative caste based politics.
Individual castes get diluted in metropolitan areas, where as in rural areas they remain concentrated.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 9:07 am
What I am saying is that instead of a high command deciding the candidate, let the grass root of the party in a constituency decide who their party’s nominee is. So Yedurappa, another Lingayat, somebody else etc will contest in Hubli (or whereever) and the BJP voters there will vote to decide who should be the BJP candidate.
Of course, the system will have to be changed, citizens will have to register what party they belong to for primary voting purpose.
This will also eliminate the “safe seat” hedging – a Sonia Gandhi cannot win in Bellary and a Sushama Swaraj cannot be a nominee of BJP in Bellary under a primary ssytem.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 8:45 am
In ‘most hated Modi’s’ Gujarat recently, one of safest seat
of BJP was won by a congress candidate in a by-election
few months back.
Ravi Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 8:52 am
There has been a great debate going on in Gujarat, particularly among the Patel community whether to support Modi or not. Such debates are also rumbling along in other castes too.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 8:27 am
As casteism is slowly but surely reducing in a same way I am
sure that this politics of dynasty will also come to an end, but these things take time to happen. Maybe a decade or two,
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Let us hope so. A growing economy/middle class will facilitate the change bringing in meritocracy. A rapid economic growth is essential. Peoples expectations change, they start holding politicians accountable
Firms see India 3rd most-favoured destination: UN report
Major global companies consider India their third most favoured destination after China and the United States, a U.N. report said on Thursday, and investment inflows could increase by more than 20 percent both this year and next.
Foreign direct investment (FDI) flows into India leapt 30 percent to nearly $32 billion in 2011, though held back by slow pace of reforms, it still remains a long way down the league table of FDI recipients.
China drew $124 billion last year, while Brazil attracted nearly $67 billion and Russia $53 billion..
manohar_T Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 8:03 am
BJP may support raising FDI in insurance: Sinha
Government, which has of late been talking of pushing reforms, may get support from BJP on raising the FDI in insurance sector if it “reaches out” to the opposition.
Egypt’s First ‘Sex Slave Marriage’
What is being dubbed as Egypt’s “first sex-slave marriage” took place mere
days after the Muslim Brotherhood’s Muhammad Morsi was made president.
Last Monday, on the Egyptian TV show Al Haqiqa (“the Truth”), journalist Wael
al-Ibrashi began the program by airing a video-clip of a man, Abd al-Rauf Awn,
“marrying” his “slave.” Before making the woman, who had a non-Egyptian accent,
repeat the Koran’s Surat al-Ikhlas after him, instead of saying the customary “I
marry myself to you,” the woman said “I enslave myself to you,” and kissed him
in front of an applauding audience.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 8:14 am
“Mere days after the Muslim Brotherhood’s Morsi was made President”..
Did this marriage have anything to do with Muslim Brotherhood policies? Or, is this news organization stating Morsi becoming the president as a timeline.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 8:21 am
I have no idea, came across this news and thought of sharing it
with fellow bloggers.
Ravi Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 8:24 am
But your intention was to form a clear link between this bizarre and un-unusual event with Muslim Brotherhood.
You missed the following….
Then, even though she was wearing a hijab, her owner-husband declared that she is forbidden from such trappings and commanded her to be stripped of them, so as “not to break Allah’s laws.” She took her veil and abaya off, revealing, by Muslim standards, a seductive red dress (all the other women present were veiled). The man claps for her and the video-clip (which can be seen here) ends.
Can the PM deliver?
I have four reasons for being sceptical. First, the claim that Singh can reverse the economic decline, by reviving animal spirits and restoring investor confidence, hinges on the belief that the PM can or will do things Pranab Mukherjee could not or would not. But is that really possible? If ‘No 10′ stopped Mukherjee from aggressively pushing reforms, as some suggest, then surely that check will continue? Sonia Gandhi’s lack of enthusiasm for liberalising reforms hasn’t changed.
Second, Mukherjee was also checked by Mamata Banerjee’s dislike of foreign direct investment (FDI) in retail and aviation as well as pension reform, by the BJP’s insistence on not going beyond the Parliamentary Standing Committee’s recommendations on pension, banking, insurance and DTC and, finally, the fact that goods and services tax requires a constitutional amendment. Again, none of that has altered so can the PM find a way around it which Mukherjee could not?
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 8:24 am
He/UPA will have to make something happen.
The delay in rainfall, the delay in planting crops, dry weather etc is going to crimp the agricultural sector causing further erosion of GDP.
The rain/water shortage will impact electricity prodcution. SL Aggarwal, chief of Bhakra Nangal, states that the water level this year is 19 meters lower than last year.
NHPC stated that power generation in its palnts fell by 7% in the past 10 days due to water shortage.
As you know our current 5.3% GDP growth is the lowest in the last 10 years. Mother nature will definitely bring it down to a lower level. So, unless MMS acts, we are destined for real bad times.
manohar_T Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 8:54 am
We may be in for hard times this year in comparison to immediate previous years.
Housing apartheid flourishes in Delhi
Finding a home to rent in India’s national capital is an arduous
task for anyone – but, an investigation by The Hindu has found, almost
impossible for citizens who happen to be Muslim. Homeowners and property dealers
contacted by reporters often firmed up deals, only to be disqualified as soon as
they revealed their religion.
Housing apartheid was at its worst in New Delhi’s most affluent
and educated neighbourhoods: New Friends Colony, Vasant Kunj, Jangpura and
Rohini. By contrast, in areas such as Mukherjee Nagar, Karol Bagh, Janakpuri and
Ashok Vihar the responses were mixed.
In one case, a property agent representing a homeowner in New
Friends Colony flatly told The Hindu’s reporters, “The landlords want
only Indians, not Muslims
manohar_T Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 8:55 am
This has been the case since the early 1990s. The reasons are too well known to be repeated here.
Ravi Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 9:04 am
I have a feeling that this phenomenon is based on more complex factors than just religion alone.
Where as in Mumbai, rich Muslims are discriminated in the housing market where, class/dietry habbits/hereditary factors do not come into play.
I hail from Karol Bagh and there were times when Raigarhs were discriminated against. They are of a lower caste, Karol Bagh was full of Hindu Punjabi refugees from West Pakistan.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 10:05 am
We don’t believe a word of what you have said.
manohar_T Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 11:33 am
It was definitely not so prevalent up to early 1990s, there must have been individual societies and buildings, where this apartheid was practiced, eg. Jains not welcoming non-vegetarians in their buildings. Now it is rampant in much wider areas – it is housing conclaves, colonies, estate etc. and now also along religious lines. ‘Thanks’ to the spread of communalism in our society in 1990s.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
My house or my building society – I decide who to sell/rent this to. None of your (seculars) business.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 8:59 am
Hindu newspaper, as you may know, is a staunch leftist newspaper. However, it was a good paper until Varadarajan took over as the editor. Now with him, with his US Education and experience, they have moved into the “reality” scenarios – “our reporter gave a Muslim name, our reporter wanted an abortion, our reporter wanted a surgery… you get the jist.
Emraan Hashami, a third rate actor, made a big noise a few years ago on a similar issue in Mumbai. Shabna Azmi and Mukesh Bhatt came batting for him, fortunately Amir and Sha ruh continued their acting ventures.
Of course, there are all types of discrimination all over the world. I was in US last month; I was at an exclusive co-op in Manhattan, where the bye laws are structured so as not to take in any black as an owner. However, there were two successful Indian families as owners
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 9:13 am
In housing I have seen discrimination in many places. It is not only on religious grounds. There are thousands of buildings in big cities of Gujarat – Amdavad, Baroda, Surat – where it is impossible to get a house for a non-veg eating family.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Yes, vegetarian/non vegetarian is an understandable issue. It is quite prevalent in many parts of Chennai (although many of my relatives live in Brahmin enclaves..veg/nonveg is OK once they know you are a clean non-veg through “connections”)
I think this whole cry about not getting into plush places like Vasanth Vihar or Palmmeadows is much about nothing. Let us be glad that Muslims have come up and they are looking for houses in these places. It is a natural next step, and they will make it.
There are other urgent big problems facing us – many of them presented by Amir Khan in his Satyameva Jaayte.
Ravi Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
I entirely agree with you, on the different kinds of discrimination particularly when renting houses. It is not particular to Delhi alone, nor is it Muslim-centric, though I admit what Muslims face in most cities is an extreme kind of apartheid.
You will be interested in learning that a few decades back, Mangalorean Brahmins used to find it very difficult to rent houses in up-market localities in Bangalore. Reason? They were, most of them, fond of eating fish, which the neighbours objected.
you asked, “BVS
Is the infighting in karnataka BJP going to affect the 2014 elections? Or will they patch up by then.
Looks like Yedurappa still has a lot of clout. Will it be a negative?
Here is my take: Yeddyurappa is one hell of a stupid, arrogant, corrupt bas…., whose grip on his Lingayat community, unfortunately seems to be vice-like.
I call him stupid, because, when he had to step down on his way to jail, he had the option to name the next CM for the kursi, but at that time he was scared of Shettar, who, he thought would bring all the Lingayat swamis to has side and render Yeddy powerless, swami-shorn and thus a non-entity.
Sadanand Gowda, has, meanwhile endeared himself to the whole state with his humility, clean image and good governance in these nine months. It is funny seeing even congress and JDS leaders crying foul over his dismissal.
However, the people have nothing but scorn and derision for the two opposition parties. Therefore, it is reasonably certain that the BJP would get at least 22-25 seats in the parliament election whenever it takes place.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 9:37 am
BJP should have let Sadananda Gowda continue. But then they cannot ignore the old man’s wrath too.
What is the secret of Yeddi’s grip on Lingayats? Has he delivered goodies to them?
Will Shattar deliver good administration or will his adm cause BJP to lose parliament elections?
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 9:57 am
yes, Yeddy has given generous help to small and big mutths in every budget. More than that, the Lingayats, have sensed that the with the eclipse of the congress, only BJP can help them be the dominant caste in power.
Shettar is a veteran politician in the Lingayat mould, but may in the course of one year, gain popularity.
But, whoever gives reasonably good governance in the BJP, my help the party win maximum seats.
Must watch. Those who missed The Big Fight on NDTV yesterday.
The Big Fight: Will Science be able to define God?
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 9:18 am
I watched this last night. First time I noticed that there
was no fight on Big Fight. Everyone was allowed to put his point across
without any interference from other panelists. Very interesting programme which I thoroughly enjoyed.
manohar_T Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 11:25 am
There were no loudmouths from our political parties. That is why.
I too enjoyed it.
What do our saree wearing MPS use as washing powder?
Hema, Rekha Jaya aur Sushma
Sab ki pasand Nirma
washing podwer Nirma
washing powder Nirma!!!!!!!!!
Pranab Mukherji, it appears, is passing through kuja dosham.
Two more organisations are now sighted where he was holding office of profit.
It looks like Sangma may score a miracle, after all.
But, in my honest opinion, he should be allowed to contest, despite proof of office of profit, because for three years, he was holding an office of loss (to the nation)
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 10:16 am
That is really good one.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Ver funny joke ! Shenoy uncle I thanks you for making me laugh!
Advani defends Narendra Modi
NEW DELHI: Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader LK Advani on Sunday came out in defence of Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi, saying he has been “systematically and viciously maligned”.
Modi and his government enthusiastically cooperated with Kalam. Yet no newsman thought it worthwhile to report these complimentary observations of his!”
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 10:45 am
It will be good for BJP if the whole party unites behind Modi. I believe their fear is unfounded.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
It is a development to be devoutly wished for.
Just read your response about why you do not wish to be drawn into a discussion based on my simple questions.
Let me start a thread here, and thereby address at least one of your reservations. You wanted, when we spar, to do so in full public view. So be it- I would have of course favoured a corner in a bar, but that will have to wait for your next visit to Delhi.
About your other reservation, I am afraid, I have no solution.
You see, my bringing in Ram Rajya into it was to address your oft repeated jibe at Rath Yatras. In particular, you seemed to suggest, Advani’s Rath Yatra was in some way unique, path breaking even, in introducing religious symbolism in our, hetherto oh so secular politics.
As Mohan would say, “main karoon to raas lila, tum karo toh patloon gila”
One of the earliest attempts of injecting religious symbolism into our politics was by Gandhi. What was Ram Rajya? Why did Gandhi espouse the cause of Khilafat, in India?
Also, in light of what we know- through readings of Ramayana- and not necessarily by Wendy etc, would you still unhesitatingly endorse Ram Rajya as an idyll?
Why blame Advani?
Blame him, if you must. But, for the right reasons. For being the wrecker in chief of BJP’s chances of coming to power. Rath Yatra? No.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
We are at a peculiar stage where the nonsense of secularism has run amuck, potentially negating and destroying the single continuous living civilization in the world.
Our illiterate op-ed writers and “literate” politicians (I say literate because they know exactly what they do, and its short term vote bank benefits) cry foul at the mention of “ekam sat vipra bahudi vedanti’ (loosely translated into “all roads lead to the one”) or Uthishtita! Jagratha! Prapa varen Nibhodita” a Katopanishad sloka that was a clarion call of the great soul born in your state, Swami Vivekanada. These have been uttered by our Gurus and ancestors for many milleniums.
Even “ahimso paramo dharma”, Mahathma Gandhi’s constant uttering, has come under ridicule by the secualrists, not because of diverse views on non-violence; but merely because it is a Sanskrit line and it is from one of the ancient books of India.
What is Rathyatra? Why and how it can be tagged to raise the blood pressure level (pro and con) any group? I cannot see any instance of any ancient Indian humman kings or god kings doing a “Rath Yatra” across a region or across Bhaarth Varsha or Arya Varta as they used to call it. The only practice close to that was “Aswa Medha Yaga”, where the emperor will send his war horse loose across the land; and whoever harness it will be fought against and his kingdom affiliated. King Rama did that; (in Uttr khand with a golden statue of Sita functioning as the Queen); so also Dharma Putra after the great war. Advani’s Rathyatra is just Advani’s Ratha yatra.
What is Ramarajya? Nowhere it says it is Rama’s land; but a land where citizens are happy, where the laws are just and fair and where the king is interested in the welfare of its people, where everybody in power including the king and the queen have to be at a higher law than the citizens. Adi Kavi Valmiki mentions Ramarajya when he teaches Lav and Kush about the right way to rule and the traits of a good country. Ramarajya is the same notion as the Camelot of the west, or Shangri La of the east (although there was no king in Shangri La).
I object to the statement that Mahathmaji brought religion to politics. His support of Khilafet was a tactic to bring in the majority of Muslims to the Freedom movement.
The Chinese are embellishing their “middle kingdom” , buying all the artifacts they can find anywhere in the world; while we are busily dismantling.
pankaj#1 Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Very well said Gopi. fully agree with you.
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Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
While not trying to “thrust” myself in your discussion with Ravi (Rum, a non-descript Delhi bar and all) , am little curious about your statement :
“One of the earliest attempts of injecting religious symbolism into our politics was by Gandhi. What was Ram Rajya? Why did Gandhi espouse the cause of Khilafat, in India?”
Are we – by any chance – comparing LKA’s Rathyatra with Mr. M.K. Gandhi’s notion of Ram Rajya ?
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Mahesh if at all you want to compare, you may compare Gandhi’s khilafat call with rajiv Gandhi’s Shah Bano amendment.
Both were vote bank politics.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
You have left me speechless.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
It is entirely unintentional. We may differ in our politics, but I honestly like you.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Hope the smiley resembles that of a adorable lamb !!!
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
It does and believe me, Mahesh, I am a sheep in sheep’s own clothes.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Don’t remain speechless for long. I want to read some of
yours indecipherable posts.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
I will not say “vote bank ‘ politics in Mahathmajis case.. but it was definitely his way of bringing them into the equation.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
I agree with you to the extent that Gandhiji didn’t need Muslim votes. But he wanted an extremely unwilling section of the then population of India, a large section at that, which was afraid of the British leaving India, to join the majority Hindus in hastening the departure of the British.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Gandhiji – A very good politician in Mahatma’s cloths?-
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
mohan, he was both.
started as a smart politician, like many a great men like Aurobindo etc transformed into a great soul through self control, search for truth, love for humanity etc
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
N.T.Ram Rao did the first of modern dat rath yatras.
Mahatma Gandhi’s Ram Rajya notion was a blatantly Hindu concept, with which Nehru was most uncomfortable and hence his successors took great care not even to mention it.
The congress government took devilish delight in going all the way in the opposite direction to tell the supreme court that there was no Ram nor any Ramayana, nor by implication Ram Rajya.
Ravi Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Popular Politics in India
I am happy to open up discussion on the topic of “use of Religious Symbolism” in furtherance of political objectives.
Modern politics in India is comparatively new and communalism entered Indian politics only in modern times. This has to be contrasted with pre-1857 politics at which point a structural break took place in the body politics of India. Politics of popular sovereignty, popular participation and politics based on people is no more than 150 years old. Creation and Mobilization of public opinion became a necessary element of modern Indian politics when uniting people as people and making them a constituent element of politics became necessary. It is only during and after that period the notion of Hindus and Muslims uniting as Hindus and Muslims for politics – or Indians uniting as Indians for politics came into existence. Ram Rajya and Rath Yatra have to be seen in the above context.
Role of Symbolism in Politics
The relationship between politics and religion is as old as humanity. Many political issues have strong religious overtones. In the USA this manifests itself in campaign oratory (note how the BJP uses this technique), the pulpit is too convenient a place from where the boundaries of religion and politics are continuously blurred. In Zimbabwe popular religious rituals, séances in Haiti have all been subverted for political use.
Even simple geometric figures have become powerful symbols representing sometimes entire nations (Israel) or religions. We use theses shapes to differentiate ourselves from each other. The need to exhibit one’s particularity has become a political necessity.
Ram Rajya is an abstract religious concept, a notion with no readily available graphic to provide the public with an instant and a clear vision. Mass communications in Gandhi’s time were such that rapid creation of an emotional bond towards and abstract concept was utterly difficult. Furthermore, Ram Rajya in Gandhi’s time was not as strong a Hindu Symbol as it may seem today. Ramayana was an important Hindu epic rather than hold a scriptural status as it currently enjoys. Nehru did not regard Ramayana as a part of ancient Hindu religious scripture. This change is more recent. So in my opinion the use of Ram Rajya by MKG may have some element of employing a religious symbol in the furtherance of his political agenda BUT due to the fact that Ram Rajya doubles up as a secular Indian symbol it can hardly be classed as a communal act.
Contrast that with a RATH, which is a very graphic religious symbol, due to the fact that Lord Krishna rode one. It is an attempt to cast LK Advani as a Krishna like figure who will look after voters interests. This is significantly more blatant use of a religious symbol in politics – designed as a TV friendly political drama. It offers an instant appeal to a specific vote bank and when the BJP realised that its use resulted in a zero sum game, then it was readily abandoned.
In conclusion I will not totally absolve the Congress Party of using religious symbols, but the BJP has taken their use to new heights, simply because it is a religious party at its core comfortable with use of religious symbols such as prayer lamps, lotus flower and of course Lord Krishna’s mount the Rath.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Is there any symbol more religious than the crescent and star Islamic symbol used by Islamist parties in India as well as most of the Muslim countries – 35 or so Muslim countries including the democratic Turkey use crescent and star flag.All the Islamic parties in India use crescent flag. (I am not sure whether any western political party uses Cross in their flag)
Is there any more blatant use of religion – forget religious symbols – in Indian politics other than the Shah Bano issue by Congress/rajiv gandhi.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Khilafat movement was non religious
Reversing Shah Bano verdict was non religious
Opening gates of Babri Masjid was non religious
Our PM saying that Muslims have first right on resources was non religious
Rahul Gandhi’s claim that LET is benign in comparison to Hindu terrorism
is non religious.
Openly going against the law and promising quota on religious grounds for votes is non religious.
But rath yatra is extremely religious.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
manohar_T Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
A) “Why blame Advani?
Blame him, if you must. But, for the right reasons. For being the wrecker in chief of BJP’s chances of coming to power”.
He wrecked or assisted in wrecking lot of other things. Communal harmony for one in the country by his infamous ‘rath yatra’ with communal riots in its trail, culminating in wrecking of the Babri Masjid. Ten years later he defended and protected the wreckers of innocent lives. Yes, he is surely has been a wrecker-in-chief. Who cares whether he wrecked BJP’s chances of coming to power (that was collateral damage)? His crimes are much bigger.
B) Mahatma Gandhi & L K Advani – Cheese and chalk respectively. The former lived his life (and paid for it by his life) to unite people and the latter to sow discord and hatred among people. That is the difference.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 4:01 am
His crimes are much bigger – who is stopping you from going to the courts and prove it there. Yes, he did led the Indian Hindus to Ayodhya where the Babri Masjid was demolished and rightly so. For all your logics and scientific approach to isues, is this what you have got to say? Take this from me – Sonia Gandhi is the biggest chor of the century hiding behind a poor MMS.
The high court judgement (and not your assumptions, allegations, theories and whatever) still stands that the place is the birthplace of Lord Shri Ram.
You can call Mr. Advani whatever you like, go find a parallel in any other party of your choice. He built the nation and united the Hindus at a time when an ex-Congressi had divided them nation in the name of Mandal.
I don’t care much about Mahatma Gandhi – he has been made a God by the Congressis – the angrej didn’t leave because of Gandhi, they had to leave anyways.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 4:51 am
very forthright and factually correct.
The Britishers have admitted that they could live with Gandhi’s satyagraha and such other things, but had to pack up and go when the mutiny in the navy took place and Subhash Chandra Bose got the emotional response unmatched by Gandhiji’s aagitations.
As for Ram Janma Bhoomi structure, the HC has already ruled that the ASI investigations form the basis on which it decided to grant the ownership rights to the Hindu organisations.
There is nothing to be ashamed when a dilapidated, disused, structure the Hindus believe to be a former temple is brough brought down.
Indira Gandhi had ordered the army to destroy the living holiest of holy temple of the Sikhs, the Golden Temple, using tanks.
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 5:19 am
Did I touch a raw nerve?
1) If you think it was right to demolish the mosque. I have nothing to to add. It shows your mindset.
2) Sonia Ganfhi? What is she doing in this thread? She may be the biggest chor, are you trying to justify Advani’s crimes by invoking her name (see, the BJP needs her for their own raison d’etre)? Reminds me the time worn line – discuss 2002 and out pops out 1984.
3) United Hindus! This is plain laughable and ludicrous. In that case, why is that the BJP does not have 430 seats in the parliament and why it is not in power in all the states? Yes, he united Hindutvawadis (which is a very different thing from Hindus just as chalk and cheese are) for sometime, even that is in doubt now.
4) Built a nation! Which nation? A Hindu Rashtra? He desperately tried. Certainly not India. A wrecker is incapable of building anything, leave alone a nation.
Mandal was wrong and so was the so called ‘nation building shenanigans’ of Advani & Co.
5) Even Mahatma Gandhi did not expect everyone to like him or care for whatever he stood for. You being added to that list is just that – being added to the list.
I have no problem if you hold the view that the British left in spite of him.
6) The High court verdict has been stayed by the Supreme court judges, who found the judgment to be unacceptable and bizarre.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 5:55 am
1. Yes, it was right to demolish the mosque. An appeal was made to the other community to have it moved elsewhere – they didn’t agree. The case had been going on in the courts for ever. This was the best way available at the time – and thanks to the demolition, the Allahabad HC could give the judgement it gave. It would have been different if the masjid stood there.
2. There you are – Sonia G “may be” the biggest chor but Mr Advai “is” the wrecker in chief. I rest my case.
3. He did unite a large number of Hindus of the time (at least in northern part of India) and it was of a great significance. They don’t have as many seats in the LS is of no consequence.
4. Garnering nation-wide support for Mr Vajpayee to be the PM and run the first non-Congress govt. for one full term is a big service to the democracy and nation.
5. Thinking logically, even you’d agree that the British didn’t leave India solely because of a certain Mohandas K Gandhi. The world had changed by that time and it wasn’t worth the trouble for the British to hang on here.
6. The SC hasn’t stopped the puja. It hasn’t given a new judgement which is different from the HC either. What has been stayed is the division of the land as none of the interested parties ever asked for it. If the site is the birth place of Lord Ram, why one-third of it needs to go to the Muslims – was the point.
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Should one laugh or take pity?
1) ‘maan na maan, main teraa mehmaan’.
Who gave the RSS (self appointed guardians that they imagine they are) the right to make an appeal to begin with, in spite of the fact that the court dispute is about the ownership of the land – nothing more, nothing else.
Worse, under what rule did the RSS with help of its goons went on to demolish the mosque, when the appeal was not heeded – India is no Hindu Rashtra?
If some goons come and make a appeal to you that you vacate your house and if you do not agree, then do they have the right to demolish it?
2) I think you should get your priorities right. If you do not – no issues, it is your life.
3) In 1998-1999, the BJP mustered 27% of the vote with ‘great help’ of 23 allies.
Yes, it was a great significance. The nation (and the allies) got to know the price it has to pay for trusting a party like the BJP. The events of 2002 for one.
4) Only one term! Your expectations from the BJP is nothing much to write home about.
I can give you instances of more than one term – 2004 and 2009 to cite one instance.
5) As I said, you can have your views on this – again no issues – it is your life, your perception and your problem.
6) Birth place of a mythical person! There is nothing to
Whether the pooja goes on at the site or not will be decided once the land title dispute is settled by the Supreme Court.
The general view is that the High Court gave a verdict in the spirit of ‘please all and disappoint none’, which made the Supreme Court see red and slammed the High Court judgment, hence stayed it – it will be heard all over again.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
I must have missed your post earlier.
Now, is there a case against RSS pending in any court of India for Babri Masjid demolition? Or, have you joined ranks with another scholar here who sees RSS everywhere.
Also, how come our God is mythical and other’s for real?
A cardiologist marries a gynaecologist and were blessed with twin girls. Guess what they name them –
Angina and Vagina.
vijay ! Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
For many a man the love of the second… may well give the pain of the first…
A branded ‘Shayeri’
If I was Nike and you were Mcdonalds
If I was Nike and you were McdonaldsBaby, I would be ” just doing it” and
you would be ” just loving it”
ok- what else — Muslim extremists smashing and destroying Sufi shrines in Mali.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
It starts all over again when one thinks it is on its last straw.
Whether it is in Tumbuktu (it is funny, at this time it is in Timbuktu!) or in Tehran, it is affecting all of us, especially people like me who travel frequently.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Such incidents do effect travelling. My cousin had once gone
to Afghanistan on a business trip about 6 years back.
His application for US visa has been rejected thrice
on this ground.
Ravi Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Let us imagine:
That some one was a semi-literate Islamist Extremist.
Just returned from Libya, pockets full of money and hands full of arms.
In Mali, with a desire to showcase one’s cause (how ever reprehensible you and I may think it is) and announce one’s presence.
What should one do, to create a world noticable event, which illustrates ones ideology (however perverse it may seem to most).
Condemning such an act is easy, Binoy has done it, understanding it is not so easy.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Mr Ravi Lashkar
You are like Ghazi Baba and Syed Ali Shah Gilani. First they give signal to jehadis to attack Hindu- Christian-Sufi shrine.
Then give tall story that this is right because some year back something happened to muslim so it is necessary to kill and destroy all to give message.
Will refer to jamaat . You will get good money for blog. Jehadi blogger get one bakra and 75 fake furrency note. Lashkat give more money to you for enjoying your back
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 4:38 am
Ghulam Nabi Fai is not a “semi-literate Islamic extremist”.
He is a well heeled, fully literate Islamic terrorist, just like you are a literate Islamic fundoo.
manohar_T Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Closer home we have the instances of 1) Babri Masjid (1992) 2) Masjids in Gujarat (2002) 3) Churches in Orissa (2008).
What they did in Mali is equally reprehensible.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
That is trouble in India. When you talk about Canada you will get Babri majjid. When you talk about London you talk babri when you talk Mali get Babri and blame hindu.
Why not talk about 139 Hindu shrine destory in Kashmir. I give lise in earlieer blog. Here you will keep maun vrat and roza. I think there is some inferiorty complex and scare.
manohar_T Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Only to point out the double standards that are practiced.
Even shrines destroyed in Kashmir or anywhere else is equally reprehensible and this ghastly crime is to be condemned in the strongest possible words.
Will you now admit and condemn the destruction of relgious places in Gujarat and Orissa?
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
I condemn all destruction in gujrat Orissa.
I think one should think about the process of conversion. If anbody want to change religions, no problem for me. However if it is conversion one way lot of problem. In j&K only way conversion is happening.
Budh and Hindu people converted in Ladakh through money and incentive to get government scheme mony. But when 6 Muslim boys become Chirstian , very big bawal. even Christian priest sent to jail.
In Orissa maybe one way conversion create tension. However burgnin of priest very bad and Dara desrves punishment,
manohar_T Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
I appreciate your stand. Vandalism and destruction is not be tolerated. Let us see how many others join us in condemning all instances of vandalism and destruction of religious places.
Regarding conversion – you need to read the law in Gujarat – it is loaded against the minorities. Google and read.
Religion is a very private matter and needs to be kept within oneself and the four walls of one’s home.
If there is a problem about conversion (in most cases a ‘problem’ is sought to be created) – no one has the right to take the law into one’s hand and go on killings and destruction.
Ravi Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
How did Hinduism (Sanatan Dharam) grew?
manohar_T Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Now that is an alien territory. Perhaps, you or someone else can enlighten us.
Ravi Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
I am not sure I have any appetite left for any more abuse, which undoubtedly will follow should I venture an opinion.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 4:35 am
By using Brhmnst, zionst conspiracy.
Anonymous Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Babri Masjid was an abandoned mosque with no live service. (plus built on a Hindu temple by the Muslim barbarian invaders from Central Asia)
Masjids in Gujrat, also temples in Gujrat were destroyed in 2002.
Dont cry for the churches in Odissa. The Christians killed a popular Hindu swami there; plus the Christians were involved in outright “in your face” conversion. Every task has a risk attached to that; conversion these days have high risk attached. Consider it a collateral damage for an insultive practice.
You are out of your mind if you consider the coordinated worldwide Islamic Jehadism is similar to the juvenile hit/miss occasional upsurge in your country
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 4:52 am
Seems you dusted up the RSS’ propaganda pamphlets and reproducing them verbatim here. I knew you could not do better than that.
1) Going by your logic, there are thousands of abandoned temples in India. How would you feel if they were destroyed? To me that would be reprehensible.
2) Yes, I correct myself – temples and masjids were destroyed in Gujarat. That still in no way reduces the severity of the crimes.
3) The Swami was killed by the Maoists, as later investigations have shown and the Maoists themselves have claimed responsibility. In any case, what right have the RSS/BJP/VHP/BD goons have to take the law into their own hands? Thanks to Naveen Patnaik, many of these goons are where they belong – prisons.
Moreover, regarding destroying places of worship and killing innocents. Here is a poser. Suppose your neighbour commits a crime, would it be alright for the police or some self appointed vigilante group to target you and your family (God forbid) and the world is supposed to ‘pass’ it as some hit and miss adventure and the destruction of your property as ‘collateral’ damage?
Pathetic is the word to describe your hit and miss justifications. Only a person who is not out of his mind would consider Gujarat 2002 and Orissa 2008 (to name just two) as a well planned and orchestrated attacks on innocent people. Those who are out of their ……, well. ………….
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 4:31 am
We also had hundreds of Hindu temples destroyed in Kashmir by Islamic fundamentalists.
The pseudo secular congressi troll that you are you see only masjids and churches destroyed ‘closer home’. Most reprehensible.
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 4:36 am
You do not have to keep reconfirming to everyone (including your admirers and chelaas) here that you suffer from an extreme case of RCD. To help you – read (if you can) and comprehend (if you have the intellect) the exchange between Shekhar & me in this thread itself. Good luck.
RCD = Reading & Comprehension Disorder.
Ravi Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 5:24 am
=================================================================================Breaking News Breaking News Breaking News
Mohan Bhagwat Times has reported that Gulab Nabi has been found in Mali.
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
You get such breaking news, if one sits down to ‘manufacture’ news. Anything is possible.
Tomorrow, they will come with ‘earth shattering’ news that Mahatma Gandhi was the ’secret’ sarsanghchaalak of the RSS – given the fact that he chose to use the term ‘Ram Rajya’ to give a name for his idea of Indian society.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Well, both used religious symbolisms to unite people. This was the easiest means in a country where a large number of people were not as literate as any western country. We have moved far away from that period, thankfully!!
People have more aspirations and have become politically more aware.
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
There is a world of difference.
Gandhi used the symbol in order to unite people, bring peace and harmony. On the other hand, Advani used the symbols to divide people, sow discord and cause mayhem in the hope 80 crores Indians would be on one side. The fact that majority of Indians did not buy this despicable attempt is a slap on his (and the RSS – the sponsors) face.
Most of us did not have to move away from that period, when in the first place we did not venture into the bog that was sought to be created. It is the RSS/BJP which has been forced to ‘move’ (to me it is for public consumption only – the core objective still remains) away from the path of hatred and divisiveness that it tried to construct.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Even Gandhi couldn’t unite (or at least keep united) the whole nation. So, Mr. Advani’s attempt wasn’t that bad in comparision. You’d also do well to remember some of the persons like Rajiv Gandhi and V P Singh who ordered the opening of the locks of the disputed structure and unleashing Mandal commission on the hapless nation. A response was needed and it came!!
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Agree he was not successful in preventing the partition of the country. That still does not take away his sincere attempts. Whereas Advani’s motives were totally nefarious.
Rajeev Gandhi and V P Singh have been foolish and wrong, it speaks volumes about Advani that he chose the equally foolish and wrong response (and some would say even more vicious response)). Where were his statesmanship and intellect (that you seem to attribute to him) and seem to justify all his actions? What else did he do? He lied to the nation on the floor of the parliament that no harm would come to the Babri Masjid. He again lied to the world saying that he was not in the loop during that unfortunate Kandahar crisis – a Deputy Prime Minister and Home Minister to boot. Treating him just like a politician, we can overlook all this, but as a ‘tallest’ leader of the BJP and a ’statesman’, who aspires to be the Prime Minister, he falls flat.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Attempts of one was sincere and the other was nefarious. It could only be your opinion.
I loved this line from you: Rajeev Gandhi and V P Singh have been foolish and wrong. Now, I would rather be foolish and wrong and still be a PM rather than an intellectual and statesman-like and remain a PM-in-waiting. I have never claimed that Mr. Advani is the greatest statesman of the nation, he is the simply better than most politicians.
You are telling a lie when you say that Mr. Advani said on the floor of the house (must be LS) that no harm would come to the Babri Masjid. Such an undertaking was indeed given by the UP govt. of the time which immediately resigned after failing to keep its promise.
Kandahar issue – I am yet to find a link to Mr. Advani’s statement on the net which explicitly says that “he was not in the loop”. The statements of journalists, Jaswant Singh, Brajesh Mishra et al doesn’t mean a lot to me.
Sonia-Led NAC Slams Govt Corruption and Inaction
Sonia Gandhi-led National Advisory Council today regretted that initial
enthusiasm over UPA’s flagship programme NREGA has been replaced by
“challenges”, with a member accusing the government of adopting “soft responses”
to proven cases of corruption in the scheme.
Our PM just two days ago had claimed that there is no corruption is UPA.
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 6:05 am
As I told Gopi a day earlier. One does not have to believe anything or everything is written or spoken (especially by the politicians).
============== TIME MAGAZINE CONCLUDES ==================
~`Modi means business ~~~ Manmohan an underachiever ~~~!!!
Frankly I would not blame Manmohan Singh so much. It was that Baby G holding a Amul powder milk bottle and jumping around bawling “I want kursi… I want kursi…” who demolished Manmohan. Mama G had launched this demolition job and Digvinash had made the strategy.
Well that is why I always say, let us recover the Congress from the family and family naukers. After all the Congress can become a model organisation with genuine leadership, free ideas and democracy. It did through up PV rao who made the momentous changes and before that Gandhi, Patel and nehru,
Great game by Federer! 7th Wimbledon!
vijay ! Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
bravo !! A tennis fan ! nice to know there are more of us here…
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 6:04 am
Yes, it was a delightful game to watch.
Weekly Music Links
1) AB-E-HAYAAT – 1955 – mai.n garibo.n kaa dil hoon watan ki – Hemant Kumar
Lyricist : Hasrat Jaipuri
Composer : Sardar Malik
2) AJI BAS SHUKRIYA – 1958 – saari saari raat teri yaad sataaye – Lata Mangeshkar
Lyricist : Farooq Kaiser
Composer : Roshan
3) KALA PANI – 1958 – achhaa ji mai.n haari – Asha Bhosle + Mohammad Rafi
Lyricist : Majrooh Sultanpuri
Composer : S D Burman
4) BHABHI KI CHUDIYAN – 1961 – jyoti kalash chhalke – Lata Mangeshkar
Lyricist : Narendra Sharma
COmposer : Sudhir Phadke
5) KATHPUTLI – 1957 – manzil wohi pyaar ki – Subir Sen
Lyricist : Shailendra
Composer : Shankar Jaikishan
Ravi Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Indian state’s grip on rare lions may be too tight
A peacock shrieks. A monkey scrambles higher into the fire-colored canopy of a kesudo tree. And an Asiatic lion — one of the last few hundred in the wild — pads across the dusty earth of a west Indian sanctuary that is its only refuge from the modern world.
Within the guarded confines of this dry forest in Gujarat state, the lions have been rescued from near-extinction. A century ago, fewer than 50 remained. Today more than 400 fill the park and sometimes wander into surrounding villages and farmland.
But the lions’ precarious return is in jeopardy. Experts warn their growing numbers could be their undoing. Crowded together, they are more vulnerable to disease and natural disaster. There is little new territory for young males to claim, increasing chances for inbreeding, territorial conflict or males killing the young.
Conservationists agree these lions need a second home fast, and far from Gir. Government-backed experts in the 1990s settled on a rugged and hilly sanctuary called Kuno, where lions historically roamed with tigers in the neighboring state of Madhya Pradesh. Millions were spent preparing the park. But Gujarat rejected the plan. And no lions were sent.
Pakistan shuns physicist linked to ‘God particle’
Pakistan’s only Nobel laureate helped develop the theoretical framework that led to the apparent discovery of the subatomic “God particle” last week, yet his legacy has been largely scorned in his homeland because of his religious affiliation.
It’s a sign of the growing Islamic extremism in his country. Adbus Salam, who died in 1996, was once hailed as a national hero for his pioneering work in physics and work that guided the early stages of Pakistan’s nuclear program. Now his name is even stricken from school textbooks because he was a member of the Ahmadi sect that has been persecuted by the government and targeted by Taliban militants, who view them as heretics.
Salam, a child prodigy born in 1926 in what was to become Pakistan after the partition of British-controlled India, won more than a dozen international prizes and honors. In 1979, he was co-winner of the Nobel Prize for his work on the so-called Standard Model of particle physics, which theorizes how fundamental forces govern the overall dynamics of the universe.
Salam and Steven Weinberg, with whom he shared the Nobel Prize, independently predicted the existence of a subatomic particle now called the Higgs boson, named after a British physicist who theorized that it endowed other particles with mass, said Pervez Hoodbhoy, a Pakistani physicist who once worked with Salam. It is also known as the “God particle” because its existence is vitally important toward understanding the early evolution of the universe.
Ravi Reply:July 8th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
All forms of religious intolerance is repugnant, persecution of Ahemadis is more repugnant than most.
Muslim sectarian violence has been present from the early days of Islam, but it is very likely to escalate any time soon. Bahrain and Eastern Saudi has substantial and growing Shia population and Sunni’s are likely to react violently to it.
The basic political problem stems from Iran/Saudi animosity which has strong Shia/Sunni over tones.
Ahemadis are a very small community and easy target for cowards who want to gather easy trophies for their extremist Mooolahlas.
rao Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 12:56 am
he was attacked and demonized by shias the brhms of pakistan.bhutto started compaign aginst him.zardari another shia who speak kind about everybody is silent also.but qadianis are working hard and coming up in society.asma jahangir and mansoor aijaz are qadiani.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 3:56 am
Any relation with Pakistan will harm us. Hate is the only language spoken there.
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 5:43 am
Currently, hate-mongers have the upper hand there. Perhaps, we have to wait for the day (may be it is still very very far off) when they are reduced to an insignificant minority.
We not having any relations with them is not going to make any difference to them. They have enough ‘friends’ elsewhere.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 10:58 am
the best solution is to export all our spineless pacifists (two of them are here on the blog itself) to Pakistan, so that they will forget about India and start killing and/ot circumcising these spineless pacifists.
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
No. Only spineless cowards (having no stomach for a debate) like you foolishly dream / wish that their opponents leave the battleground.
Islamic terrorism on the rise in Africa..
Please also see the attacks on Sufis and their shrines in Mali.
Ravi reports Saffron guys behind this coloring their face black and disguised as Africans
A man joins a very exclusive nudist colony….
On his first day there, he takes off his clothes and starts to wander around.
A gorgeous petite blonde walks by, and the man immediately gets an erection..
The woman notices his erection, comes over to him and says, ‘Did you call for me?’
The man replies, ‘No, what do you mean?’
She says, ‘You must be new here. Let me explain. It’s a rule here that if you get an erection, it implies you called for me.’
Smiling, she leads him to the side of the swimming pool, lies down on a towel, eagerly pulls him to her and happily lets him have his way with her.
The man continues to explore the colony’s facilities. He enters the sauna and, as he sits down, he farts…..
Within minutes, a huge, hairy man lumbers out of the steam-room toward him, ‘Did you call for me?’ says the hairy man.
‘No, what do you mean?’ says the newcomer.
‘You must be new,’ says the hairy man, ‘it’s a rule that if you ****, it implies that you called for me.’ The huge man easily spins him around, bends him over a bench and has his way with him.
The newcomer staggers back to the colony office, where he is greeted by the smiling, naked receptionist, ‘May I help you?’ she says.
The man yells, ‘Here’s my membership card. You can have the key back and you can keep the $500 membership fee.’
‘But, Sir,’ she replies, ‘you’ve only been here for a few hours. You haven’t had the chance to see all our facilities.’
The man replies, ‘Listen lady, I’m 68 years old. I only get an erection once a month. I **** 35 times a day!!’
vijay ! Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 2:20 am
Joke reminds me of Ravi whose take on India, Hindus and Islam is fatous1 Plus the fact he is being serviced by anti India ISI…
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 4:14 am
what happens when a woman f……..ts?
I read that BJP is attacking Dr ManMohan Singh for the negative coverage in Time magazine.
It is really strange.
Americans will be after the magazine demanding an apology if a foreign magazine covered its leaders negativly!
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 6:01 am
You are so naive.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 9:35 am
BJp behaves clueless — they will let congress win again
~~~ ABU JUNDAL EXPOSES PANKAJ MISHRA, ARUNDHATI ROY ~~~
fellow bloggers this is a serious issue.
Let us have a full fledged debate on this.
WHY DO ARUNDHATI ROY, PAMKAJ MISTA AND THIER ILK LIE ABOUT INDIA AND HINDUS AND GET AWAY?
Terrorist Abu Jundal has nailed their lying duplicitious face as never before.
In year 2000, 50 Sikhs were killed in cold blood by Islmic terrorists in Kashmir.
These terrorists were reconised as those belonging to a neighbouring village — by the surviving Sikhs themselves.
BUT A WRITER LOOKING FOR PUBLICITY– PANKAJ MISHRA (AUNDHATI’S MENTOR) AND ARUNDHATI HERSELF— HAD THEN RUSHED TO FORIEGN MAGAZINES AND NEWSPAPERS AND WRITTEN THAT THE MURDERS HAD BEEN COMMITTED BY THE RASHTRIYA RIFLES , since a few of the killers wore the Rashtirya rifle dress, for throiwng the police of the track.!!!
Both of them got Initernaional publicity– infact both Pankaj Mistra and Arundahti Roy got famous for being HUman right activists based ont that.
In the end the DUMB, MORONIC, ROBOTIC Killers fromt eh LeT were able to fool the so called intellectuals which a section of the media worships.
LET US NOW ASK ARUNDHATI ROY AND PANKAJ MISRA TO APLOGIZE TO THE NATION.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 3:58 am
I entirely agree with you. Pankaj Mishra is one of those typical secular journalists, who were exposed by Yogendra Sikand. Arundhati is plainly nti-Indian and anti-Hindu. These teo must be made to recant their Saudi-funded drivel against the Indian army.
Anita Pratap is another one who wrote the same thing in Time magazine.
vijay ! Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 4:33 am
Shame on Mishra, Arundahti and Anita Pratap. They should blacken thier faces and prostrate themselelves before the Rashtriya Rifles office.
Even Abu Jundal was more intelligent then them to have made a fool out of them,
Funnily when the 26/11 murderers applied Tilak and came to India… they were banking on Arundhati and Mishra types to create lies of the same nature.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 4:58 am
But they got Digvinash and Baby G instead.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 4:59 am
Let me be difficult here.
I know there are these despicable creatures like Pankaj Mishra who need to be caned publically for their hatred towards the country. However, I don’t quite trust the Abu JUndals of the world either – particularly when they make these confessions in police custody. These statements need to be corroborated with evidence – I hold the same view in case of confessions made by Aseemanand under police custody. Has the police been able to find proofs to substantiate the claims made by either?
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 5:53 am
In whole of Jammu and Kashmir bachchca bachcha knows that Chittisnghpura is handiwork of LeT. even local of Chittisinghpura recognise killer as two were from neighbouring village.
In 2000 Indian army was having upper hand over terrorists. Sikh were opposing terrorist also. Pak came up with plan to make SIkhs angry against India and make Sikhs and Muslims fight India. Therefore to create hate against Hindu and India, they put on dress of Rashtrirya rifles. Can any fauji be foolish enough to kill in RR dress? That would be biggest joke.
Only some idiotic newspeople fooled by this joke. I have shown how Arundhati had ealrier appreciated Syed Ali Geelanin by standing next to him and saying India is bhookey and nangey and Kashmir needs rto seceede.,
vijay ! Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 11:36 am
As Shekhar has pointed out, it is impossible to believe that the Indian forces would have been stupid and dumb to kill the SIkhs in full public view, wearing their Rashtriya Rifles dress under orders from the centre.
Only trolls like Arundhati, ******** like Pankaj Mishra and fools like Anita Pratap can beleive this and try to give it a spin for personal publicty.
I thin we need to question their intelligence and their intention to lie for being in the news. What is scary is that they have occupied a certain mindspace of being intellectual while in real life they are dumb, selfish publicity seekers.
Yes it is important to probe Abu Jundal more. However I am fairly certain he would be speaking the truth, out here.
THE UPA HAS GONE OUT OF THE WAY TO MAKING THE NDA BY MAKING FALSE AND IMAGINED INSTANCES AND STORIES OF COMMUNAL MALICE. In case the Government of India had even an iota of behind this, the truht would have come out by now.
Pankaj Mishra– whom I know in real life– has sullied the name of JNU as never before with his fake story and claim.
Avoid meeting your girl friend during monsoon
otherwise she will become Mom soon.
Hindus are naive, apathetic; They lack national character and spirit.
Psychologically speaking, one behaves according to one’s thinking, which is a combination of concepts, values, and beliefs. A Hindu wakes up praying for the well being of the entire creation, practices non-injury, believes that all religions are the same. They are beautiful ideals for ideals all mankind to pursue. Ironically Abrahamnic religions believe in converting, violence, and Jihad to seek a religious monopoly. Hindus naivety and one-sided idealism leaves them vulnerable incapable to confront reality, adversity, and danger.
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 8:46 am
I did not understand as to what the author is trying to tell us. He said we are this and we are that (whether this and that is good or bad is debatable).
In the last para, he suggests what should we be, but fails to articulate the benefits of this complete makeover?
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 9:23 am
He is trying to say that HIndus are fools, naives and easily
trust others, and because of this others take advantage of them.
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Therefore. Go on.
Gram sabhas to control forest body in Maharashtra
The Centre’s efforts to ensure economic empowerment of tribals in forest areas received a fillip with the Maharashtra government’s order to bring all joint forest management committees under the control of gram sabhas.
The state government resolution transferred all rights of minor forest produce and major timber to the gram sabha-elected joint forest management committees. Despite legal guarantees, many gram sabhas (village assemblies) are unable to have a final say in the sale of forest products like bamboo. This was particularly the situation in Maharashtra’s Naxal-affected district of Gadchiroli.
A good move. Read on.
It is imperative to start taking hard decisions now to avert a water crisis
The rains have arrived, the dark clouds pushing away darker forebodings of a failed monsoon, drought and crippled growth. Such respite should have a sobering effect on some of the more effervescent superpower aspirations. Agriculture directly accounts for about 14% of GDP but a little over half the population still live off agriculture and related activities.
The way out, clearly, is to harness a whole lot more of the water that showers on India over a crucial fourmonth period, only to be washed down into the Indian Ocean in a tumultuous hurry, leaving flood damage and misery in its wake. The task is complex, true enough.
It calls for coordination across states and even across national boundaries (Nepal, Bhutan and Bangladesh must actively cooperate and China refrain from disruption, to manage flood waters in eastern India). It also calls for huge outlays, of both the financial and policy kind.
Much rain water can be harvested using small dams and check dams, but some large dams might be unavoidable and that would necessitate policy innovation to relocate people, habitats and livelihoods.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 9:46 am
your fru—g Indian democracy (Steal Incorporated) and UPA (and whoever comes after that) will see to that nothing gets done; huge money will be allocated, politicians and PWD engineers will steal the money.
Show me a PWD eEngineer who does not live in a palatial house.
Listen carefully: “..And when the twelfth largest company in the world controls
the most awesome, god-damn propaganda force in the whole godless world, who
knows what shit will be peddled for truth on this network… So, you listen to
me. Listen to me! Television is not the truth.
Television’s a ********** amusement park. Television is a circus, a carnival, a
traveling troupe of acrobats, storytellers, dancers, singers, jugglers, sideshow
freaks, lion tamers, and football players. We’re
in the boredom-killing business. So if you want the Truth, go to God! Go to your
gurus. Go to yourselves! Because that’s the only place you’re ever gonna find any
real truth. But, man, you’re never gonna get any truth from us… We deal in illusions, man.
None of it is true! But you people sit there day after day, night after night,
all ages, colors, creeds. We’re all you know. You’re beginning to believe the
illusions we’re spinning here. You’re beginning to
think that the tube is reality and that your own lives are unreal. You do whatever the tube tells you. You dress like the
tube, you eat like the tube, you raise your children like the tube. You even
think like the tube. This is mass madness. You maniacs! In God’s name, you people are the real thing. We are the illusion”.
Those are confessions and rants of a has-been but reincarnated TV anchor to his
live audience. *
One of the major problem of our country is our media. Read on.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Media manipulates politicians and bureaucracy
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 10:51 am
And SOnia Gandhi manipulates the media.
17 out of 61 days in House: Mamata plays truant
Since her party came to power on May 20, 2011, and out of the 61 days that the Assembly functioned after she became the Chief Minister, Mamata Banerjee has attended only 17 days and this includes her presence on Monday — the last day of the present session.
Further, this year budget proposals pertaining to 31 departments, including six under Mamata, were passed without any debate. Mamata never took part in the Question Hour, and hence, the Opposition never got an opportunity to ask her questions regarding the eight departments under her.
Mamata’s predecessor and Left Front CM Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee used to answer questions related to his departments like home, information and culture, minority affairs, on Thursdays.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 10:17 am
that is democracy
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 10:49 am
And everything would be forgotten and forgiven if she falls at the feet of the mataji and Baby G.
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Right. It is a reflection on Mamata and not on democracy.
If you visit a temple once a year, it is a reflection on you and not on the temple.
The new brain drain
With cutoff marks at Delhi University slowly tending towards 100 per cent, the system that has served students and institutions for three decades is failing.
It is encouraging students to try their luck overseas, reinvigorating the brain drain precisely when it is being reversed by uncertainties and visa restrictions abroad. It is also urging students to fall back on quotas for extra-curricular activities, though the university system in India does not prioritise them. A promising basketball player in the US will be sought out by leading universities, but this does not happen in India. However, cutoffs are not the problem because the extraordinary pressure on seats would persist even if they were reduced to zero per cent. Cutoffs simply reduce the number of candidates that universities and colleges have to process. The real problem is the widening gap between the demand and supply of higher education.
Not getting sex from her husband for several weeks, frustrated, one
night she started singing ” Jana gana mana “.
Husbad asked : Why are you singing this ?
Wife : It is a last try. Whole India stands up listening to this.
TJS George; Sattar is Yedurappa’s ManMohanSingh:
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
‘Great’ news. The BJP is learning fast in order to become a B-Team from its current status – a C-Team.
‘A small step for BSY and a giant leap for BJP’. (courtesy – Neil Armstrong).
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
BJP should have stood upto BYS. They would have lost Karnataka. However, they would ahve got it back later..
BYS would have started his own party; the party would have aligned with NDA, so at the end BJP still would have Karnataka in their column.
The dangerous situation for your wanton democracy is – people are siding with the crrooks – Jagan wins big in AP, BYS retains his clout in Karnataka, Maulyam and co goes on winning after looting, Sonia and co rules after looting…
We are in a real Kaliyuga!
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
In short, corruption does not seem to be an issue with the electorate.
Only time will tell, whether bowing to BSY’s wishes every now and then is going to harm the party at the hustings or not. Though, BJP’s ‘fight’ against corruption takes a severe beating.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Corruption is an issue – ask the Delhi Congressmen who lost in last MCD polls
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
There can always be exceptions to the rule. By and large in India, corruption has not been an issue (tragic but true).
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Corruption is a major issue with the public; however under the current political systems the voter is powerless to deal with (now dont tell me the voter can vote them out — the system is rigged with politicians giving away 10,000 plus rupees to “needy” voters)
manohar_T Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 3:45 am
It is, but the electorate does not seem to be bothered about it given their voting behaviour.
With daily new revelations, and with the latest allegation about Shrimathi Omita Paul and her younger brother Khosla/UTI, looks like Pranab Mukherjee /congress cannot move to Raisiana Hills yet.
The jovial Sangma may pull it! (Catholic Groups have sent a petition to Vatican to expel him from the church!)
you said, “Sonia-Led NAC Slams Govt Corruption and Inaction
Sonia Gandhi-led National Advisory Council today regretted that initial
enthusiasm over UPA’s flagship programme NREGA has been replaced by “challenges”, with a member accusing the government of adopting “soft responses”
to proven cases of corruption in the scheme.”
I think the end game has begun in this god-forsaken UPA. The only thing remaining is for Manmohan Singh to open the stitches on his mouth and start bawling, howling, screaming and snap the cords that are binding him to mataji’s cot. And then he can begin counter attacking.
vijay ! Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Good that OUTLOOK noticed this at last. When we guys were doing it…
SHouts of RSS, BJP emanated from the COngressis. Seems Mama G has joined the RSS
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
India should not get into multicrore public schemes like NREGA. It is just an invitation for plundering. Establish Lokpal or some other system to control graft, then introduce public programs.
We, as a society have to reexamine the notion of “government as the solution” . This is a large, diverse country; a one size fits large centarlized program is never going to work.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
NREGA is the best scheme to keep the pockets of taluq level congress thieves jingling. CWG, @G etc only filled the pockets of the top, including mamaG (what a name!)
vijay ! Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Mama G iand Baby G are the first, last and only hope of the Nation as per the Congress, which should be renamed Congress G!
vijay ! Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Well… It has to be a carefully monitered scheme, started small first and then built up after evaluating the strenghts and weaknesses.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Mama G can join Hare Krishna movement. She is not welcome in the RSS.
Jagan Reddy gets one more MLA!
The TDP MLA from Krishna Dist, NainiRao, joins YSRC.
Jagan can be in jail; but his party is growing!
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
One field India may overtake Chinese .. Drug Trade. – Malaysia seizes $18MM in illegal drugs in container from India
Tiwari is turning out to be the Digvijay Singh of JD(U)
Not long back, he was asked by Sharad Yadav to keep his mouth shut unless asked for.
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Right. The sooner the political parties change their ‘loudmouth’ spokespersons the better. They are a disgrace.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Any news on Abhishek Sanghvi? How come our media is not going after him? What about the lady advocate who sought a high court judgeship through him?
Is everything brushed off?
As usual, the poor driver will be in jail in Manohar’s democracy!
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
There is not much difference in Digvijay and Manish Tiwari.
The only difference is that Tiwari can speak better English that is
why we see him regularly on TV speaking eloquently his regular rubbish.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
what I said about Sanjay Joshi fits Shivanand Tiwari equally, except that he is a veteran socialist in the Lohia mould and breaking parties and forming new rumps has always been their favourite game these last 60years.
Sanjay Joshi claims fresh threat to life, seeks more security from Chidambaram
Claiming fresh threat to his life, former BJP leader Sanjay Joshi, a known detractor of Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi, has written to Union home minister P Chidambaram seeking more security.
Joshi claimed he had received fresh threat calls on his mobile phone from three different numbers and also through letters. He had written the letter to Chidambaram on June 14, a week after he was forced to resign from the BJP. It was circulated to the media by Joshi’s aides today.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Didn’t I tell you few weeks back that we will regularly hear such stories
from Gujarat because of the up coming election. Modi is not going
to have an easy ride this election. I am sure UPA is going to come out with blazing guns to stop Modi from winning third term in a row.Keshubhai Patel forming his own party, Sanjay Josi from within are going to put some dent in Modi’s share of votes. Interesting times ahead in Gujarat.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
This new entrant to politics is crying too much. He cannot bear his name going off the media pages. Somehow he wants to cry wolf and there is always the willing media to oblige the endangered sheep.
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Yes, we did discuss this. He is going to find going tough. If he does not deliver as he did in 2007, then questions will be raised about him.
In 2002, he won 126 seats and in 2007 – 117. What it will be in 2012?
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Modi’s challenges are not going to be from Gujrat – not anytime soon. His challenges have more to do with Pan-Indian acceptance.
UPA may just provide fodder – but the basic acceptance appears terribly lacking for Mr.Modi at Pan-Indian level.
It has been long since we Indians have lost the taste for fascists and dictators.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Another thing – Given the un-sustainable fiscal deficit Mr. Modi has been running he should be worried , actually very very worried , to be just confined to Gujrat and not passing on the reign to successors.
This “threat to life” is becoming a common theme across politicians all across..
Several Marxist leaders here in the state have asked for protection because of the threatening telephone calls .
This may well be a Congress ploy to deny Modi his reelection; Congress has perfected these shenanigans over their 60 years of democratic record. (and it is sad how “far” our democracy has come if people like me think this way! but that is what these politicians and their bureaucrats have done)
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
1) There are committees at the centre and in the states, who decide whether there is danger to anyone and the level of security to be provided. There are many instances where more security is provided than necessary for political compulsions, but that does not mean the genuine threats be not looked into and provide security. Let us not jump the gun in this case. let us wait and see.
2) Modi vs Joshi. This is not a fight between children of two neighbouring buildings.
If it is anybody’s ploy or not, Modi has to stand up and fight, and fight he will.
What do you mean by your comments about democracy? Who is Modi not to be subjected to electoral battles? No one is going to give him a cakewalk just because he is Narendra Modi – your darling politician or should I say God.
Your comment is laughable to say the least – “and it is sad how “far” our democracy has come if people like me think this way”! No one forced you to think like that and not many care.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
I am glad you are a believer in these committees, rule of law, smooth corruptionless functioning….Heaven is yours
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Yes, I am a law abiding citizen and proud of it. Of course, heaven is mine. Is there any doubt?
As Mahesh told Mohan below
“It has been long since we Indians have lost the taste for fascists and dictators” and these are anathema to democratic discourse.
New couple kept having sex 24×7. They became very weak so they consulted
a doctor. The doctor said : Have sex only on those days, which have ‘R’ in it
i.e. Thursday, Friday, Saturday …
Couple agreed .. On Monday husband asked his wife ” Darling, what is the
day today? ” Wife gave a naughty smile and said ” SomwaR’
Moral : If there is a will, there is way.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
May the couple be blessed forever with those “SomWars” – and may all of us be blessed being one of those couples.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
swantantra or jantatra diwas bhi cover ho gaya
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 8:49 am
On these two days special morning shows.
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Hindi speaking couples are lucky – it is waaR – seven days of the week.
Why I did I study in English medium school?
Well, yesterday it was Timbuktu, today it is Nigeria. Muslim terrorists kill scores of Christians today in Nigeria.
(yesterday in Mali, day before yesterday in Pakistan, a few days before that in India, a few days before that in Baghdad.. they throw a dart to decide which country/city to hit! RSS must be making them do this)
RSS hands must be in this!
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
I am surprised you spare tears for Pakistan and Iraq.
Are you not aware these are Muslim majority countries ?
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
‘RSS hands must be in this’!
Do you ‘know’ something that the rest are not aware of? Perhaps, you are an insider. Are there RSS ‘Shakhas’ in these Islamic countries or is it ‘The Overseas Friends of the BJP’ that are engineering these attacks? What can be better than make the ‘enemies’ fight among themselves?
Sweepers stitch wounds, ward boys administer injections in Bulandshahr government hospital
State health minister Ahmed Hasan has ordered probe into reports of fourth class staff performing work of a surgeon and doctors in the district hospital of Bulandshar.
The probe was ordered after a news channel reported that the sweepers of the hospital stitch wounds and ward boys administer injections. Ideally, this stitching wounds is the job of a qualified surgeon and injection should be administered by a trained nurse. But locals reportedly said that such shocking anomalies were a ‘routine’ affair in the hospital.
well, this Uttar Pradesh; this must be the progress under the new administration..
As youknow zillions were stolen from the rural health allocation there.
AshishC Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 5:29 am
Now I await release of a report that UP has topped all states (inlcuding that ruled by a genocidal megalomaniac) in Human Development Index- where even sweepers are trained and empowered to rise far above their calling and what they are paid for.
A must read.
Who says India wants to be a superpower?
Air Vice-Marshal Arjun Subramaniam.
He is the Assistant Chief of Air Staff looking after Space, Concepts and Doctrine at Air Headquarters, New Delhi.
Forget the hype, the country is still to make the grade from developing to developed nation.
A recent report from the London School of Economics (LSE) titled “India: The Next Super Power?” — and, very surprisingly, given excessive mileage by various sections of the media — reflects a new obsession among certain global think tanks and research institutions of the need to remind India that it has a long way to go before it can join the “high table.”
The report posed the question in the context of U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s 2009 visit to India when she said she considered India to be a global rather than a regional power. Do we really need to take cognisance of preachy sermons on how “India has miles to go before it can sleep,” or would we rather be driven by Rabindranath Tagore’s dream of an India “where the mind is without fear and the head is held high … Into that heaven of freedom let my country awake?” I think most Indians would still prefer the latter. So let me try and explain why this argument of India aspiring to be a superpower is both historically and contextually a “no-brainer” argument.
Let me now dwell a bit on “hard power” and see how it is factored into this whole business of fingerprinting a “superpower.” Capability is never equal to power unless it is backed by intent and willingness to use the power in pursuit of national interests. The development cycle of hard power in respect of superpowers or potential superpowers usually commences with a preponderance of deterrent capabilities, re-enforced as time passes with significant coercive or offensive capabilities, until a stage is reached when this coercive capability offers prospects of widespread “compellance.” Incidentally, compellance is a term propagated by the eminent political scientist, Thomas C. Schelling, during the Cold War and is still widely discussed in the global discourse on power equations.
Our objectives too have been well calibrated with our own territorial sovereignty and regional stability being more important than influencing global affairs. Some commentators look at India’s interest in the Indian Ocean Region as a logical manifestation of great power yearning; little realising that this interest is primarily driven by the need to provide a deterrent umbrella to our energy interests and the millions of expatriate Indian citizens who not only contribute to the economy of the region they reside in, but also to India’s economy. In short, does our hard power support the prognosis of an emerging superpower? No way! And we should not be perturbed at all beyond the fact that maybe our deterrent capabilities need greater attention.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
A force that is not used, and does not win when used, is not a force.
India should focus on deterrence as well as offence. One of the objectives should be to totally neutralize Paksitan so they stop this constant itching.
India should use the current goodwill in USA to develop/obtain technologies like Drone; develop elite target hit forces such as seals
manohar_T Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 5:06 am
I think you have completely missed the thrust of the author’s message. Here it is.
This argument of mine has historical backing. Unlike the Greeks, Romans, Mongolians, the participants of the Crusades, Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union or the U.S. which had their own reasons for conquest or “expansive doctrines,” India, for centuries, was a “potpourri” of small nation states, satisfied within the boundaries of its geographical expanse, religious tolerance, cultural diversity and abundant natural/water resources. Modern India, ravaged for two centuries by colonial exploitation, is still a nation in the making, benignly looking outward in recent times, primarily to seek energy resources and develop its vast human capital. Nothing exemplifies this aspiration more than the consistent statements of the strategic establishment that all current national strategies including those relating to security would first revolve around India’s progression from a developing to a fully developed nation — a tall order by any yardstick.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 5:57 am
It is indeed interesting to see your argument here about India being a loose collection of different nationalities in past.
This has also traditionally been a leftist position on diversity in India (Please note – this position is not to be confused with secession).
The Hindutva project of eighties tried to “homogenise” – among other things – this diversity in Indian society. More often than not forcing a narrow view of history and culture on the mainstream discourse.
BTW, notice something here ? You and me can discuss this topic freely and fairly. A sharp contrast with those terrible eighties when somebody hinting at this diverse history would be viewed with suspicion.
manohar_T Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 7:45 am
IMO, the Hindutva project to homogenise the Indian society with set of dos and donts (sounds familar to Abrahamic religions) would never succeed. The RSS has completely misread the Indian ethos – attempting to mix spiritual and the temporal (making a cocktail which is sought to be religious, patriotic and nationalistic at the same time – very few bars and permit rooms are ready to sell this packaged ’somras’, as there are not many patrons ready to take a sip. The carrying costs acts as a deterrent). Most Indians have always kept the two in different containers.
Yes, we can freely discuss this topic, but then there are abusers and label makers here, who would get in sideways to score brownie points, without ever adding anything substantial and new to the topic under discussion. Of course, the best policy is to ignore their rants and snide remarks. Let us wait and watch if they venture forth.
You wrote (which I missed reading earlier).
“I must have missed your post earlier.
Now, is there a case against RSS pending in any court of India for
Babri Masjid demolition? Or, have you joined ranks with another scholar
here who sees RSS everywhere.Also, how come our God is mythical and other’s for real?”
1) To me all Gods are mythical. Period.
2) Yes, the case is pending (I think in a Bareilly court) against RSS /
BJP / VHP / BD leaders. When he was DPM and HM, Advani had managed to get his own name out of the list of accused (see how he misused the CBI). I do not know whether his name has been included again.
You know the ’speed’ which our courts function.
Ravi Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
There are no cases pending against Sonia Gandhi or her son.
That does not stop the SANGHIS here perpetually abuse her.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
cases were not registerd in Bofors out of kindess of the NDA. The scam was so big that you havve to be either a fool or an innocent not to see it.
The gross increase of her son in laws wealth to become one of the richest in India is very interesitng.
US magazine has given her wealth to total 19 billion dollars.
Ravi Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
No cases are pending against Sonia Gandhi.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Because cases are not allowed to be filed. Even RTI enquiries against her are rejected.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 4:49 am
Unmatched even by Jagan Mohan Reddy.
He is the real Robber G.
Not all who are against Sonia and Rahul are Sanghis. In fact, there are more people than Sanghis (if you consider various state parties) who are against her.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 4:48 am
even politically, out of 10 assembly constituencies of mama G-baby G combine, they won only two assembly seats in the UP elections.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 4:46 am
Because the money is stashed in Swiss banks.
When the time comes, there will be plenty of cases against mama G and Baby G.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 9:09 am
1. The first one is settled between us. I believe in God, you don’t – fine.
2. The case pending against leaders of RSS is not quite the same as against the organisation. To illustrate, a case against Ashok Chavan for corruption in Adarsh scam is not a case against Congress.
manohar_T Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Your point no 2 is valid. The RSS does not maintain any membership register. Even Advani cannot give you any documentary evidence that he belongs to the RSS. So very diabolical.
Gods are mythical….
Ishwar, well all gods WILL not be mythical in India. Ram will be a myth. Mohammad and Jesus will be not.
That is during the UPA rule.
Do you think the teachings of Mohammad and jesus too are mythihcal? Incase they are not gods… and were human, do you think we can find fault and update their message periodically?
Would love your answer in yes and no.
Ravi Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
I guess concepts of God and Prophet are just as easily confusable as are भगवान and अवतार.
In accountancy it is लिखे मूसा और पड़े खुदा
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
So would you be happy i case we keep revising the texts of Koran as per new revelations? yes or no…
If Mohammad was the prophet, then surely Allah is a myth is it not?
Or do you think Allha is a true God and other gods are fake
Ravi Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
YES I would be very happy if Koran was revised and modernised. Nothing would please me more.
Just as King James’s Bible is a significant revision from the Original one.
Who would you trust to undertake the task of such a revision. Would you like the Grand Mufti of the Wahabi Sect of Islam to carry out such a task. Do you think Mullah Omar will be a good choice for any revision??
When was Ramayana last revised???
BTW who were the राक्षस in Ramayana?????
ALL GODS ARE FAKE.
हम जानते हैं जन्नत की हकीक़त लेकिन
दिल के खुश रखने को ग़ालिब यह ख्याल अछा है.
Anonymous Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
He did not say he do not believe in the prophet
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 1:08 am
If all gods are fake, then is Allah a fake also>
Yes or No
Ravi Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 4:59 am
ALL GODS ARE FAKE, Including Allah (which is just an Arabic name for what the English call GOD).
When was Ramayana last revised.?????
Shall we revise Shalwarpehankar’s writings which are full of rancid Communalism and Racism.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 4:42 am
You can begin revising your jihadi manual first, in consultation with Hafiz Saeed.
Then take up the Quaran.
AshishC Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 5:24 am
Ramayana has been “revised” hundreds of times- there are hundreds of versions available to the extent that the “real” or “authentic” Ramayana is only in the eyes of the beholder.
And, I daresay, to 99.9% Hindus, it does not matter. We all have our version that we have grown up with and learnt to enjoy.
Now, to your Koran revision-..
Will not happen. ‘Nuff said.
manohar_T Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 7:08 am
The point is not about revisions and versions. It is the intolerance of the loony right of any version other than ’sanctioned’ one by the parivar. Other versions demolish the edifice they are trying to construct.
Let not the Koran be revised. It is their damn business.
Ravi Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 8:00 am
That may well be true.
The question asked of me was not what is the likely hood of Koran being revised.
Question to me was more personal.
It was Would I like the Koran to be revised. The answer is YES I would like that.
Further more Koran has gone through many revisions in its early incarnations. After all that is when the Satanic Verses were expunged.
I am no expert, but there have been may more revisions, before the taking of toast and tea.
manohar_T Reply:July 9th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Those who believe in their teachings, let them believe. I do not believe in the concept of God(s), which many religions would like us to believe.
Over the centuries, a lot of questions have been raised about the authenticity of the holy books. Many months ago, I had posted a link to one such article. I will check whether I can relocate the links. There are enough articles on the net, just Google.
The problem with the religions is that the protagonists have misused them to achieve their own ends and look after their own interests – primarily it is all about power over people, hence would not wish anyone to tamper with their scriptures. The problem may not be with the content itself, but the interpretations, plus today it is more about symbolism and forgetting the message. Why only opposition to critical study of the Abrahamic holy books, we have enough intolerant people in our country who oppose any critical look at our own supposed ‘holy’ books. Recall the banning of ‘300 Ramayans’ by A K Ramanujan by Delhi University when right-wingers took objections. Shame on both of them. There are intolerant people all over the world (some here on this blog too, I expect them to lambast A K Ramanujan- maybe he will be called a cheapshot, as they had done earlier) and in all religions.
One who is not afraid, will never object to any critical analysis. Only the insecure people would have a problem. All holy books need a thorough relook – this is 21st century.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 1:07 am
f we teach the concept of 200 Ramayana we should also teach in the same chapter the 200 versions of Islam like Ahemdiya, Ismaili, Qadiani, sufi, etc including the possibility of versions of Koran which existed in 9 centruy and the possibility that the Koran was written 300 years after Mohammad’s death.
What do you say?
manohar_T Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 3:43 am
Let the leaders / followers of each religion decide how many versions should be taught or interpreted. The good thing is that Hinduism does not have any centre of power. To each his own. Why should there be a quid pro quo between various religions?
Our society has been strong enough (though attempts have been to instill fear and insecurity by some of our intolerant groups. Only intolerant people feel insecure or is it insecure people become intolerant) to withstand any inquest in our belief systems. Remember, down the centuries, our belief systems have stood the test of time and we have moved on with the times.
Let the other religions do what they please with it. It does not bother me. If it keeps them back, it is their problem. Over a period of time, perhaps they will learn to move with the times.
HAFIZ ZAEED, the Islamist terror kingpin of Pak (defies **** authorities or double deals with them!))-
American TV channels reported today that Hafeez Zaeed led a massive protest march of various extremist Muslim/jehadi groups to Islamabad to protest against the concession made by Pakistan to NATO for transporting supplies from Karachi port to Afghanistan.
They were surprised that one of the “most wanted men” by US will openly lead a procession for cameras to shoot.
They were also speculating whether US will extend its drone program inside Pakistan, now since the **** government does not want to do anything regarding Zaeed.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Drone attacks in the interior Pakistan will create huge problems for USA. They better have a suspender/belt strategy if they are serious about this.
For modi baiters;
He added that the entire country today is going through a negative mode. “Common people feel that nothing can change. We have to take up this as a challenge and bring change. Politicians have to take revolutionary steps to bring reforms. While taking some bold steps politicians should be ready to face criticism,” said Modi.
He claimed that Gujarat leads in tourism, cotton export, solar energy, education and many other sectors. “If the intentions are right, people will accept you. In a few months my state will go for polls. I had organised huge vaccination and health camps for cattle. My vote bank does not lie there, but not all things are done for votes,” he said.
“Cotton growing farmers in Gujarat are exporting cotton to the Chinese market. But here (in Maharashtra) farmers continue to commit suicide. No one is learning from Gujarat,” said Modi.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 12:50 am
Read a report recently that Maharashtra leads in farmers suicide – both cumulative over the last 10 years and the last year for which statistics are available. May be they should find out why Gujrat farmers are not ending hopeless and are not committing suicide, and implement those initiatives..
North shouldn’t block
A former Reserve Bank of India governor, while still in office, confided that he would never keep the government in the loop on most decisions of the central bank. But the then mandarins in the finance ministry never made it easy for him. They put pressure on him on a variety of issues since he invariably needed the ministry’s concurrence on policy matters. This particular governor got his way on most issues and, much to the chagrin of the officials, earned the reputation of preparing India for the financial crisis of 2008. In fact, he felt it was not necessary to meet even the finance secretary, the most senior official in the ministry, during his North Block visits. On some occasions, he would visit the capital just to meet the prime minister and would not even call on the finance minister. There were many critics who had a healthy disrespect for his domineering style, but nobody took him head on regarding his regulatory decisions. He overruled ministry interventions, backed by the quality of his decisions.
Another capital market regulator or chairman of the Securities and Exchange Board of India (Sebi) would frustrate the finance secretary of the time by not answering calls or responding to text messages. Here again was a regulator who had turned around financial institutions, knew his domain well and refused to budge from decisions despite the government’s reservations.
Love is not measured by gifts, hugs and kisses. It is ll about trusting, respecting and accepting a person with wet lips, closed eyes and open legs.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 4:30 am
Have money and age any place in this scheme?
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 8:34 am
No idea about age but money is the key which can open many
doors and .. legs.
it is now clear that Vinod Sharma has grown fond of the alphabet ‘K’.
He does not or will not change the blog without hitting the 1000 posts figure.
The Choice is clear: Do or stew (in the same old blog).
In Uttar Pradesh, a sweeper becomes a Surgeon and administers injections and also operates.
When Mulayam Singh becomes Prime Minister, his driver will have his finger on the nuclear button.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 9:01 am
I was glad when Akhilesh was chosen to be the CM. Thought a young man will run on all cylinders. The initial readings from UP do not look good. Contrast that with Jayalalitha’s first 100 days.
The growth model has come undone
The author teaches economics at IIM Calcutta
What has been called the ‘golden age’ of India’s economic growth was underpinned by global integration, high rates of investment and savings growth and low current account deficits. The slowdown is characterised by a sharp deceleration in investment growth on the demand side and in agriculture, manufacturing and construction on the supply side, alongside high and unprecedented current account deficits.
The government’s argument that this is the result of the global economic slowdown and related uncertainty is only partly true. The deeper reason, which the government is either unwilling or unable to come to grips with, is the unravelling of the underlying growth model — partly due to structural change engendered by globalisation and partly because the investment subsidy implicit in under-pricing assets is no longer feasible.
If the nature and pattern of integration has affected investment growth, Keynesian ‘animal spirits’ have been dampened due to a factor quite unrelated to globalisation.
During both the NDA and UPA-I regimes, an important driver of investment growth has been access to undervalued assets, whether those of the public sector, mineral and forest resources, land or the ability to influence the allocation of scarce spectrum resources. During the NDA regime, privatisation of public sector assets at fire sale prices stalled in the face of widespread political and social opposition. With privatisation off table, the UPA-I chose to use all other modes listed above to ensure that animal spirits were kept in ruddy health. The investment boom of the ‘golden age’, which roughly coincides with the UPA-I term, therefore, was primed by access to a wide variety of undervalued assets, ranging from land (SEZs, PPP infrastructure, etc.) to spectrum.
In UPA-II, however, this dynamic has largely run aground, hemmed in by protests from below and corruption scandals. Widespread and sustained protest against the public acquisition of land for private purposes — Singur, Nandigram, POSCO, Jaitapur, just to name an iconic few — has made it a political hot potato which is to be re-legislated and at least for the moment is off-limits. The implementation of the Forest Rights Act (FRA) and introduction of new legislation to govern the distribution of benefits from mining suggests that mining leases may not be as easy to get nor as lucrative as earlier.
There is, then, little else to do but to wait for the monsoons, capricious foreign investment or other such manna from heaven.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 6:21 am
Thanks for excellent article.
Without being too wonkish, author has very well articulated the problems – Capacity saturation, Jobless growth , decreased Investment etc.
Notice , how he almost touches the aspect of inclusive growth without saying it.
Another point – did we notice the large conceptual overlap he has with Ms. Arundhati Roys, Ms. Medha Patkars and others who have raised question about the “growth story” .
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 6:36 am
Addendum to my earlier comment.
Notice the point author makes about NDA and UPA ?
To borrow a phrase from Chomsky – the whole thing has “Corporate Welfare” written all over it.
Another thing – with the under-priced sale of assets , subsequent governments have lost considerable revenue. Now , as the hawks look askance at fiscal deficits (which , btw, are not exactly at alarming levels) , government is going to be forced to cut down on social spending. So much for democracy when it is reduced to just that – a formal democracy.
manohar_T Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 7:24 am
Regarding the underpricing of assets. It effectively puts savings (the difference between fixed price and auction price) in the hands of the citizens, instead of filling up the coffers of the government – to be spent elsewhere(?) or part returned to service providers by way of subsidizing the services, if the asset was auctioned.
If the assets were overpriced via the route of auctions, we would paying through our noses, the service providers are not out there for the love of India or fresh air – they would damn well recover it from us.
Telecom sector is an example – 900 million cellphones.
First CAG and then the Supreme Court started dictating policy matters to the Government, not their domain. The former even went berserk and came up with a figure
of 1.76 lac crores as a ‘loss’ to the exchequer. Imagine if this amount had been collected from the service providers – we would be paying perhaps Rs 20 per minute and crying and cursing or the above amount would have been used to subsidize the service (in the name of aam aadmi) so that we would pay Rs 1 per minute. ‘ek haath se le aur doosre haath se de’ – perhaps more corruption while releasing the amounts to companies..
PS: The telecom scam is about A Raja playing favourites with a chosen few and not about the ‘presumptive loss’.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 9:21 am
How many times have the manufacturers passed on the price benefit to end users when there was no incentive to do so ?
The premise for letting the service providers decide on savings is un-tenable due to several problems :
1> Lacking any incentive – why would somebody lower the prices when the demand would remain un-affected for higher price ? Capitalism doesn’t work that way , correct ?
2> What control does the society have over arbiters ?
3> Government disbursement of revenues towards its policy goals may be in-efficient , but then the answer is to tackle that in-efficiency and not throw out the government.
manohar_T Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
They do pass the price differential when there is a multiplicity of service providers, which is the case of Telecom sector. Plus the number of others factors. Again in case of Telecom, Number Portability is one such.
Today, with little more transparency and RTI Act in place, the arbiters cannot side with the service providers only.
No one is suggesting that the Government be thrown out.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
I strongly disagree here.
First, Multiplicity of service provider implies competition – which , in itself, is a big incentive to reduce prices. This has nothing to with voluntarily passing on the benefits to consumers. Sans these incentives – why would anybody reduce prices ? For instance, if the demand was as high as it were five years back – do you think Oil companies that have no government control would pass on the benefits of operational efficiency to consumers with lowered prices ?
Also my usage of word arbiter was in a more broader sense – and against your implied argument of letting just the resources sale decide on where and how the benefits flow.
manohar_T Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
We can agree to disagree.
My experience has been that
1) in an open market economy, the prices charged are not necessarily at the whims of the providers (unless they form a cartel).
2) there is an upper limit as to how much consumers are ready to bear the cost for goods and services. If someone wishes to price himself out of the market, it is their problem.
3) for example, in the telecom sector, the call charges are so low that every village man & woman (and their city cousins) is talking away to glory. It is all about high sales volumes and not high profit margins.
Coming to petroleum companies, if they were given a free hand, they would also price their products keeping in mind the above factors. There would not be many takers for diesel at Rs 200 per litre (with Rs 100 as a profit for every litre of diesel sold).
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
OK. Let us agree on dis-agreement.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 9:26 am
Yes, the figure of 1.76 lac crores is preposterous.
But I don’t agree with you that we would be paying higher
prices if proper auction was done. The price government
should have got at x amount of money but they got y amount
of money which was much less than the x. The difference
bettwem y and x has gone to the people like Raja and his
friends. If the government had got x amount of money, we
would still be paying same charges for the service they
are provding us. This extra money could have been used
on social spending by the government as Mahesh as suggested.
manohar_T Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
The case against A Raja is not that he charged x amount from his friends and a higher y amount from others. He fudged the submission date and time to favour his buddies – the amount involved is irrelevant.
Even if a higher price had been fixed, he could have still resorted to fudging to reward his favourites and ‘made’ that money for himself and his masters.
The extra money spent elsewhere! How much extra money they would have collected – certainly not an astronomical sum by way of auctions. Then it would be Rs 20 per minute.
What price at what point in time? Well that is a matter of policy.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Are you trying to say that Raja was not bribed.? If no, than there is no further discussion and if yes than that money would
have gone into government coffers and could have been
used for the betterment of the country. Supreme court
also saw that there was something fishy in allotting the
spectrum that is why they cancelled all the licences.
manohar_T Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Where did I say that Raja was not bribed? I have twice said what his alleged crime is. And it would have been so, even if the price had been fixed higher – he would have still fudged the date and time of submission to benefit a slect few.
Regarding that extra money thing. Please reread carefully my post above.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Economics is not a precise science, and hence economists come in all shades.
The solutions to the Euro/US crisis are all over the place, with economists such as Nobel laureate Krugman arguing these are not the times for austerity, while other eminent ones clamouring for cutting off government spending.
Many of them once a while, with passage of time, becomes right. Nouriel Roubini , the professor of doom, has been talking about asset meltdown a decade before 2007/2008 crisis; finally it happened, and he is now the darling of policy forums and think tanks. (hoopla aside, I am an admirer of him).
Indian issues are mostly self ccreated, with some “contributions” from the globalized interconnected economy. Bad, non-existent infrastructure pulls growth down by 2.5% (at high growth, now it may be 1%), corruption may be another 1%, bureaucracy may be 1- 2%, distribution/supply chain flaws may be 1-2%, public unproductive spending (such as NREGA) may be 1-2% . All these gets masked in a high growth scenario. Absent growth, coupled with bad rains and global meltdown, there reaches a point when there is not enough positive trend to offset the negative trend. The result may be that we may go even lower than the “Hindu rate of growth” if the negative world conditions persist for long. For our negative drivers are at a much higher level than during the socialist times of the past..
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 9:15 am
On a related note – Nouriel Roubini in his recent Bloomberg interview has expressed a probable (note – it is a probable and not possible) meltdown in 2013. His premise – the factors leading to 2008 melt-down are very much present and lurking, plus this time there is lesser room for manoeuvre.
p.s. : Can’t locate the Bloomberg link. You will need to locate it.
You/Nouriel are right about another melt down.
US that caused the melt down is still in its “free enterprise” mode. Regulations regarding residential mortgages/securitization are still pretty much in the air, with republicans opposing every move by President Obama. All factors that contributed to the meltdown are still present, but hiding because economy is so bad.
As I understand, banking lobby fought the requirement that they keep 5% of the securitized mortgages in their balance sheet as a share in the risk. So, the go go practices will continue when the economy picks up!
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Economists/analyists are the people who will tell you after the event
why they went wrong.
Another point – increase in growth may not always necessarily lead to growth in jobs.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 9:42 am
U r right. Especially in the “information economy” – Google can double its revenue by not adding any people (or may be just 100 or so)
There has to be a better public/private partnership in the US, a better political/bureaucratic system in India, a relook at social progarms in Europe — each country has to deal with the problem within their frames.
I believe we are in for a massive, global change. There is an alienation between ruler and the ruled all over, be it in democratic US and India or oppressive Syria or Islamized Pakistan. Institutions are losing relevance or are as culpable .
Can one imagine Barclays fixing LIBOR 20 years ago?
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 11:22 am
I was surprised when I read about Barclays fixing Libor.
One bank cannot do this alone without the support from
other banks. About 20 banks in London daily -working days only- at 11AM provide their interest rates for various periods to Libor committee. They than remove the highest and the lowest rates quoted by all the banks and the balance 18 are averaged to arrive at that days Libor – London Interbank Offered rate -. If only Barclays was quoting higher rate to get higher average or lower for lower average, that would not have helped them without other banks also supporting them.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 11:53 am
You are right; however, at this time only Barclay’s is charged; plus it looks like that only Barclay had the trading side, making the bank earn enormous trading profits on its own monkey business.
The latest report said some of the regulators were aware of this; but did not do anything.
Another inteeresting thing is that Western banks continue to use this for consumer/credit card rate setting even after knowing it is wrong!
Last night and then again this morning you asked me TWO question, each time directing me to answer in a Yes or a No.
I answered both your questions as Yes and my answers can be reviewed below.
As I answered your questions, I also asked you in return THREE questions:-
1.) When was Ramayana last revised?
2.) Who are राक्षस?
3.) Shall we revise the works of Shalwarpehankar?
You have as yet not replied to these questions, despite having the opportunity to do so.
So what can one conclude from this deliberate evasion?
Among the possibilities that I favour is that You consider it proper for you to ASK me questions, but that you yourself are above questioning.
Noting that, and considering content your questions and of those you avoided answering, it is easy to categorise you as an Islamophobe, Hindu Fundo.
Now your clapper loaders will come out in droves to support you and you will bask under the amber light they would throw on this debate. That would further confirm my conclusions.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Jihadis are the new untouchables and unspeakables.
You don’t deserve any answer. You can get all the “awnsers” from your partner in jihad, engrich.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 8:38 am
I believe Engrich is commenting these days under the label rao.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 8:41 am
The name ‘Pharao’ suits him more.
manohar_T Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
The ‘Grand Mufti’ has vomitted, now Vinoo59 will not answer your questions. Time to move on.
SALMAN KHURSHEED DOES IT AGAIN!
AFTER HIS DRAMATIC ANNOUNCEMENT THAT SONIA GANDHI “PHOOT PHOOT KE RO PADI” , WHEN SHE SAW THE MARTYRED FREEDOM FIGHTER OF THE VERY PATRIOTIC INDIAN MUJAHID’S PHOTOS,
HE NOW SAYS ONLY RAHUL CAN SAVE THE PARTY.
HE SAYS SONIA GANDHI HAS LOST HER ‘TOUCH’ AND THE NUMBER TWO DOESN’T BOTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 8:44 am
Do u have a link to his comments?
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 9:47 am
There is an ‘implied” self criticism there too — “we are all waiting for Rahul”….Why?
Looks like the autocratic Mayanmar has preserved its heritage sites better than the democratic India preserves its heritage sites!
Surprised that the murals were painted by Bengali artists 1000 years ago.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
It is amazing how closely related are both these countries.
Yes, we do not take care of our heritage structures. There is a group of business men based in Coimbatore who are providing tremendous support in preserving, including developing a “curator model” for the ancient Tamil structures.
Friends living abroad please excuse.
Could someone tell me what’s so special about the ‘new’ tatkal reservation system of Indian Railways and how does it help?
Is there a solution to make things easy and fair for passengers?
manohar_T Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Tatlkal is a remedy that does not solve the problem. The problem can be solved by increase in train capacities (additional coaches or new trains). For that the Railways need funds (internal mostly). These funds cannot be generated because Mamata will not allow increase in fares as she does not wish to ‘burden’ the aam aadmi. So she lets the aam aadmi suffer on account of non-availability of seats and berths and is denied the comfort of hassle free travel.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Compulsions of coalition.
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 6:39 am
Till the time we are unable to increase capacity, we should at least ensure its fair distribution/sales. This concept of Tatkal is completely flawed and should be scraped. Let the seats be sold as the Airlines do. To get the lower fare, book in advance – last minute seats would cost more. If you have an emergency, you might as well pay more to get the last few available seats. Now, there may be a time when there is no seat available at any cost to travel on a certain busy day. In those cases, you can buy tickets on waitlist and travel anyways. A lot of people still do it.
God’s here. But where did he go?
The God particle’s been found. Science has triumphed, at least it seems to have sitting this far from the Hadron collider in the innards of Europe. All the holy book thumpers must be rolling about in their temples, churches, mosques and synagogues (maybe in the viharas too) in this upset victory against Darwin and his theory of evolution. God 101, Darwin 0.
But for the rest, god is present in their lives in very real terms. Like the frail elderly woman who was praying at the Saibaba temple (temple by expansion but in real terms, a small concrete outcrop in Kalkaji); asking favours: retirement looming on the husband, the son-in-law playing truant, the daughter under enormous stress of the household, the arthritis that’s been making folding the joints a veritable task, the neighbours’ dog that won’t stop barking, the maid and her frequent leaves, the list is endless. I can go on giving more and more situations that would need divine help in mine or anyone else’s life. So could you.
Questions of faith aside, will the knowledge of the existence of the God particle itself be the trigger for the Mayan prophecy? Will the Hadron collider nudge us into the apocalypse/pralay? Let’s cross our fingers and do more of what makes one happy.
And while we revel in the existence of God, let’s just ignore the hungry, the homeless and the diseased. Let them make their choices quick and fast, doomsday is almost here (fingers crossed). Time for me to chant a mantra.
Well i am unlucky not have the luxury of time and since I am on audit, I cant be seen by my juniors to be blogging during office hours!
Part of my question rings in your answer. If we can have an essay on 200 versions of Ramayana in college textbooks, without taking permission from the HIndu priests, then why should we need to take permission fro Islamic leaders in case were were to have essays on versions of Islam like SHia, SUnni, Ahemadiya, Qadiani, Naqshbandi, Ismaili in school textbooks. Secularism is about even handedness, not about showing that text in one religion is mythical, while it is a reality in another religion , just because this religion will consider blasphemous any interpretation which does not confirm to what its priest may desire.
You have pompously tried to brand me in a certain manner as a presumptuous extrapolation of your views. Still I will answer for the sake of decency.
For me Rakshas are a concept which is an embodiment of evil. IF they are Rakshas in Ramayana which need to be slayed, then there are equally evil Rakshas today– like Hafiz Saeed, Abu Jundal, Lakhvi — who need to be decimated.
That is the essence of religions for me.
Ravi Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
So you think you asking me the questions you did was neither presumptuous and or pompous.
You may fool your-self but you cannot guarantee that you have fooled others.
What would you say to someone who says that Ramayana is a story of an Aryan Hero who wishes to establish hegemony over the Dravidians and that Rakshas are thinly disguised Dravidians.
Feel free to stop this discussion if it offends your religious sentiments.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Nothing in the Ramayana talks about Aryans vs Dravidians. It is all about a good king banished into the jungle and his wife being kidnapped and finally his victory over evil.
So to get the race angle is your figment of imagination– for which you have every right.
Dravidians also worship Diwali and this proves your thesis wrong. Furtheron there are worshippers of Ravana– who believe he was an intelligent man, though he went wrong.
So I have no problems in any sort of discussion provided all religious texts are subjected to the same extent of scrutiny.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Wendy got mixed with JNU historians to produce his story and her story.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
The ‘mixing’ of Wendy and JNU historians gave birth to
Alternative Ramayana which was full of sex.
manohar_T Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
1) I said why should there be a quid pro quo between religions? You should feel proud that we have 300 versions of Ramayan and have chosen a particular one to follow. Liberty to choose and not thrust upon you. If Islam and other religions do not have this luxury – well that is their problem (if it is considered as such), I do not lose any sleep over it.In fact, I do not lose sleep over any religion, it is a waste of time to be religious (all those rituals, dressing up in a certain way, blah, blah, blah), if you ask me. Instead go out and help someone to lessen his misery.
2) Taking permissions from ‘Hindu priests’? Which priests? The one from your neighbourhood temple or one of the Shankaracharyas or a group of sadhus who congregate from all over at the Kumbh melas or … ?
Hinduism is not a monolithic religion with priestly hierarchy and one centre for all the supreme religious wisdom (though that is what the RSS would desperately like to have with that temple at Ayodhya as a repository of all wisdom. Yes, it would make ’sense’ to have a head priest in that Hindu Rashtra and not in India) There are countless sub-strains of Hinduism across the length and breadth of sub-continent (I don’t think anyone has ever made an attempt to count them, it would be futile) and it is left to the individual which one he/she wishes to follow or not. There are millions and millions of ways to reach God – leave it to the individual to decide.
All gods as portrayed in various religions are just symbols. It is just a device to impress upon the gullible that their (all those dharm ke Thekedaars) ‘legitimacy’ has a ‘divine’ sanction, so they (people) better comply. It is all balderdash to me. If others wish to believe, I have no issues – to each his own.
Having said that, the reformists (Gautam Buddha, Guru Nanak and Mahavir) had never intended to start new religious orders. It was the latter day protagonists that followed them, who …………
Secularism means the state keeping away all religions in matters of state and not be seen as favouring one or the other. That is why, Pandit Nehru did not permit Dr. Rajendra Prasad to go to Somanth temple in official capacity as the President of India. In fact, there are reports that Dr. Prasad wished to have some Hindu religious ceremonies when he was to be sworn in as the first President. The idea was shot down. There was/is no bar on any government functionary going to any place of worship in his/her personal capacity. The temple was rebuilt by private funds with Sardar Patel and K M Munshi as the coordinators in their personal capacities and not as government ministers (*).
My belief system is strong enough to withstand any scrutiny. Why get scared?
* The question of state funding of rebuilding places of worship in Gujarat (destroyed during 2002) has arisen and it will be interesting to see how the Supreme Court adjudicates on it.
But Gods are your own creation and I have no problem in worshipping all or none…
Ravi Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
खुदा तराश लिया और बंदगी कर ली
इसी तरह से बसर हमने जिंदगी कर ली
This is from a fil song written by Majroh Sultanpuri
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Khuda ke bina zindagi chal hi rahi hai,,,
Jab Khuda mil hi gaya to doston se dosti toot gayi
(Dont catch me on who wrote this. I may be misquoting a famous poet!)
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
This fake Ravi is a coat hanger.
Nigerias Jehadi Muslim terrorists kill 90 Christian villagers, and state that “there is no going back on their decision to declare war on Christians”
I am sure one on this blog will say there is RSS hand all over this.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Islam frankly needs a worldwide audit! Show the truth fearlessly and say that “Islamic brothers… you are taking the planet to a path of annihilation.”
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Nobody can fix their problems; they themselves have to do it. Indian Muslims exposed to democracy, inclusiveness, coexistence etc may be in a better position to set an example and lead the “reformation” . Pervez, Shoeb, Rizwan etc in this blog, our own Fareed Zakaria, MJ Akbar etc or even Salman Kurshid etc politicos can lead!
100% agree with you. Only they can fix their problems.
Aaloke Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Dear Vinoo, ” Worldwide Audit” I think you have termed it very well in your own professional way. Let me add , Islam has been regularily dishing out fake Balance Sheets, badly tampering with their figures,showing a heavily loss making enterprise as profitable and Auditors are stupidly signing reports when even a child will find out its Books are completely cooked up . But who are these people with Intellect and Common Sense lower than a Child? How have they become Auditors.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
You should visit this blog more often. Young people like you , Rizwan, Viju, Pervez, Iswar etc provide a different view/vision that is appreciated a lot.
Aaloke Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Thanks for your concern. Work load does not allow me to spend too much time on this Blog. However will try to visit this Blog more often.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Since my comment seems to be flying in the sky with dots moving back and forth and not registering here, all I can say Aaloke is thank you! I think a full fledged audit done without fear or malice can change things for the better.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
World wide audit is what they need and worldwide audit they shall have, sooner than later.
I could not reply you yesterday to your post on Modi.
It is your opinion only that Modi will not be accepted all over India but my opinion
is different as I believe that India is ready to embrace Modi. His PR is working overtime to make him popular all over India and it has started having the desirable effect. But, first he has to pass this exam of up coming elections. Only if he wins by a landslide as last time than only he will stake his claim as a BJP candidate for PM and that is the reason he has not yet named his successor to take over the reigns of Gujarat if he decides to go to Delhi.
If he becomes PM, will he be able to leave Gujarat alone or will he keep on
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
I agree with you. However, I would say he needs a better PR team – both offensive and defensive. Congress is a master at this with their 60 years of shenanigans and experience.
“people accepting etc” is a hogwash; one that can be easily overtaken with better and effective communication.
You are right about Gujrat elections. All forces are lined up against him – in the form of threat to Sanjay Joshi’s life, Kesubhais ****, teesta sh–, etc etc. He has to do what Congress does – buy votes.
Aaloke Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Gujratis on an average are Pro-Development, Mature and
Practical. Why Modi has been winning repeatedly is because Gujratis are voting
him repeatedly even after such huge Propoganda against him. Gujratis DESERVE Modi.
Does India DESERVE
Modi. I wish and Hope it does now.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
India will propel under Modi.
I cannot see anybody in Congress (may be Chidambaram; but he does not have a political base) who can set goals and get things done. I cannot see anybody else in BJP either.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
I think you are spot on.
Nobody in the congress, including Baby G does inspire confidence of the nation badly shaken in this department. The nation is also extremely badly bruised by corruption and inflation.
I hope and believe the BJP will rally behind Modi as one man.
Gujarat deserves Modi, not only for Gujaratis but for all the people living in Gujarat. I doubt whether Modi will use communal card in this
elections. He will talk about development and the prosperity for
all the people of Gujarat. He is a great orator and during his
speeches he knows when to make people laugh and when to make them believe in him in whatever he promises them. But, the recent
result of the by election in March this year was a shock for everyone who ever is in favour of Modi. Is his charisma fading ?
We can only wait and watch.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
The UPA government has been extremely ham handed in handling Modi.
“maut ka saudagar” yielded rich dividends to Modi, but the seculars refuse to learn their lessons.
Added to that, the UPA has shown that they are only capable of causing corruption, inflation and starvation, besides bad governance.
A ready recipe for people to yearn for deliverance through Modi.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Will revert back later on this.
You mentioned in one of your comments that the Gujrat budget deficit is unsustainable.
Here is one economist’s ( a professor at Singapore National univ) opinion on Gujrat’s 2012-13 budget – as a good example for growth.
Would like you to elaborate why you think their path is unsustainable.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Nice that we are discussing the topic in a much civilised way.
Will revert back on this in a day or two. (Am preparing for a client visit at our premises this friday).
Really appreciate that we are discussing core topics and am not going to “chicken out” of this discussion. It is as important to me as it is for you.
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 4:48 am
Mahesh, take all the time you want. Pack all your by now famous punches.
And while hitting Modi, make it as tough as only you can, for ignoramuses like me to understand.
Time magazine says India needs to re-boot
But the congress party cares not a hoot
And Sonia Gandhi is only worried about the loot
If worst comes to worst, she may even scoot.
Batla House ka naam suunte hi ro padti hai phoot phoot
But the skeptical respond readily, “secularism, my foot!”
The likes of Pathak G say, “don’t from the hip shoot,
Swiss bank a/c, foreign origin etc are all a big bundle of jhoot.
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
” If worst comes to worst, she may even scoot.” Will she ?
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 4:44 am
The worst has not yet come to worst.
She will stay till the Swiss banks say enough is enough, we can’t accept any more.
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 6:14 am
aapka jawab nahin!!
Anonymous Reply:July 10th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Interesting article by Heather Timmons of NY times–A recent History of India through Western Magazine cover pictures”
A parrot swallows a Viagra tablet.
His owner, disgusted, puts him in the freezer to cool off.
Later, when he opens the freezer he finds the parrot sweating.
“How come you are sweating?” he asks
The parrot replies “Do you know how hard it is to open the legs of a frozen chicken?
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 6:13 am
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Mohan can cook up a hot joke even from the deep freezer!
Die Nasty of Dynasty
UP BJP return to its hard-core Hindutva roots
From: Deccan Chronicle
UP BJP returns to Varun, Yogi, Hindutva
June 27, 2012: By Amita Verma, Correspondent Lucknow
With all their experiments having failed to revive the BJP in Uttar Pradesh,
the party leadership is finally turning towards leaders who are known for the
After a long hiatus, BJP MP Varun Gandhi, who happens to be one of the party’s biggest crowd pullers in Uttar Pradesh, has been brought back to campaign for the BJP in the on-going local bodies’ elections.
Mr Gandhi, it may be recalled, had not campaign in the state during the
Assembly elections and even though there was a great demand for his meetings from party candidates, the leadership did not make any effort to persuade him either. As a result, the BJP tally went further down to 47 in the assembly polls.
“Our only hope for the 2014 Lok Sabha polls is Varun Gandhi and the party
leadership should wake up and start smelling the coffee. Varun represents the
aspirations of the youth and even the party cadres are looking for a change. It
is time we set aside our egos and gave the young generation a chance,” said a BJP MLA.
Another firebrand Hindu leader who wields considerable influence in eastern UP is BJP MP mahant Yogi Adityanath. The mahant has been upset with the party leadership for putting Hindutva on the backburner and taking organisational decision without consulting him. His simmering anger made the party pay a heavy price in the assembly polls and the leadership seems to have realised its folly. The mahant has been persuaded to campaign for the party candidates in the local bodies’ polls.
Party workers see this as a welcome change.
“The day we decided to turn moderate and put Hindutva on the backburner, the
BJP’s downfall began. Our leaders decided that hardliners like Varun Gandhi and
Yogi Adityanath were an embarrassment to the party and pushed them behind. We
strayed from the path of our ideology and have paid a heavy price for it. If
the BJP starts projecting leaders like Varun Gandhi in Uttar Pradesh and
Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi at the national level, no one can stop the
BJP from marching back to power in 2014,” said a former state BJP president.
And BJP won 10 out of 12 seats in recent civic body elections in UP.
I don’t understand your point. What is hard-core Hindutva? Was there any riot before the polls or was any communally ofensive statement made publically?
Ravi Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 7:42 am
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 8:33 am
what is the pbm
It really is funny.
Read that India is participating in the women’s tennis competition @ the Olympics meet.
( why would India participate in Women’s tennis? National pride?? any world class or Asia class players there?)
Sania Mirza’s mother has been designated as the manager of the two member team – hahahaah
She is going to be sent to London on government dole.
The article says this is being done to placate Sania (for what?)
Vijay, is there more than placating Sania – is there a Muslim appeasement, now since Andhra Pradesh is most likely lost for Congress? Hyderabad/Telengana has a sizable Muslim population; so Congress will try their UP type tricks.
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 10:27 am
I think it is just a coincidence.
A man stops a young girl who’s about to jump off a bridge.
He asks her: Do you mind giving me the final kiss before you jump?
She quietly accepted & gave him one of the deepest lingering kisses he had ever had.
When she finished, He said: Wow, this is the best Kiss I ever had.
Why are you committing suicide?
She replied: My parents don’t like me dressing up like a girl..
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 4:38 am
That is exactly how engrich must have embraced fake Ravi.
vijay ! Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
aisa bhi hota hai
Media, it’s time to heal thyself
Charles SampfordDirector of the Institute for Ethics, Governance and Law based in Brisbane
Professor in the Crawford School of Public Policy at the Australian National University and adjunct professor in IEGL
Gina Rinehart, Australia’s richest person and the world’s wealthiest woman, is seeking three board seats following her purchase of 18.7 per cent of Fairfax which owns most papers in Australia not controlled by Rupert Murdoch’s News Ltd. There has already been considerable upheaval in two of the Fairfax papers serving Melbourne and Sydney with a 25 per cent shedding of journalists to cut costs.
After the purchase of the London Telegraph, someone asked Lord Beaverbrook why he bought it, given the apparently limited financial returns that could be expected. His answer was simple: “power”. He meant political power of course.
Conversely, the privileged access that media corporations gain from politicians seeking a good press can skew decisions politicians have to make in ways that distort markets while also undermining democracy.
If Beaverbrook’s answer were deemed acceptable, it would allow those gaining wealth from the market to dominate our polity. The media would not then stand astride both markets and democracy, but would become the means by which actors in one sphere dominate the activities in the other. Democratic competition needs to be carried out on a level playing field. If most of the playing fields are owned by those barracking for one side and using their ownership to tilt the field, democracy is in peril.
Political parties must recognise that giving in to pressure is a dangerous strategy. Each time they give something away to a media organisation for favourable coverage, they do three things:
1. Increase the effective power of the media organisation;
2. Whet its appetite;
3. Skew the media in favour of those who would do such deals against those who would not.
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 4:41 am
Media corrupt, politicians corrupt, bureaucracy corrupt.
There is no respite for a common man.
THIS IS HOW OUR SECULARISM WORKS
THE POLICE CAN AND DO ARREST SHAKARACHAYA OF KANCHI ANY TIME THEY WANT, BUT THEY CANNOT TOUCH SYED AHMED BUKHARI EVEN IN 11 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is what the Delhi judge said, ““I can say from the record that in Delhi, police officers up to the rank of Commissioner of Police have no courage to execute the warrant against Bukhari. Name of the accused along with his residential address is known to the police, but the officers have failed to arrest the accused since 2001. Nine years have passed and because of the non-execution of NBWs, proceedings cannot be conducted further,” the court said on December 14 last year.”
The court has ordered the station house officer of Lodhi Colony to “personally” execute the warrant by July 17 and show up in court on the next date with a report.
NOW, IF BUKHARI IS ARRESTED, KYA SONIA GANDHI PHOOT PHOOT KAR ROYEGI?
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 5:20 am
Shocking and shameful.
The national media can help in this case. If it runs this news item for 48 hours as it does in case of a kid in a borewell, it would put immense pressure on Delhi Police and the HM to get this thug produced before the court for trial.
Is our national media, fair or sold out?
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 6:17 am
Our media was sold out long time back.
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 6:22 am
do you think our dear friend, Vinod Sharma would be sufficiently conscience-pricked to take up the matter of the defiance of the law of the land by the Bukhari?
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 6:30 am
The issue is less of defiance of law by an individual. A number of people defy it all the time. The point is the incompetence or scare among the law-enforcing authority of this individual. By not executing the NBW, the police is letting the whole nation down.
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 6:33 am
Is it incompetence or scare or pressure from the vested
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 6:41 am
Mr. Sharma will not take up the matter of Bukhari in his
article as Ravi has already provided him the material for his
next week’s article. Varun Gandhi and Hindutva.
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 6:34 am
If Mrs. Gandhi wants than I can send her few bottles of glycerin.
vijay ! Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 7:10 am
Shameful !! Bukhari must be some sort of lord that the UPA bends on its knees.
I request Vindo Sharma and Pathk G to take up this case in the NMC
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 8:30 am
long live secularism!
SC signals rethink on auction route for all natural resources
The Supreme Court on Tuesday agreed that the government had reasons to doubt its verdict laying down auction as the only way of allocating natural resources, in what is seen as an indication of a significant judicial rethink.
Attorney general G E Vahanvati said public trust doctrine warranted unhindered enjoyment of natural resources by the public, like fresh air, water, sunlight and environment. “Can we keep all natural resources for enjoyment of general public? Can coal blocks be opened up for unhindered use by public? There has to be classification of method for allocation of natural resources,” he said.
“I am not suggesting auction is not a good way to distribute natural resources. In some cases, it definitely helps in ascertaining the market value. Can the vast natural resource in fishery be auctioned? Japanese trawling companies would pay the highest value for the fish but it would spell doom for the local fishermen,” Vahanvati said.
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 6:25 am
Either Vahanvati is a big C or thinks that the judges in the SC are. He is arguing like some of the paid journalists spinning stories to suit their paymasters. The discussion is going on about 2G loot and he says that auction of natural resources like fishery is not the best way as some Japanese company would come and that would spell doom for the local fishermen.
Fishery can’t be compared with mining licenses or spectrum licences. Indviduals can’t mine on their own or start their own telecom company.
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 9:39 am
It is a stinking argument.
manohar_T Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Do you know what the central point of the review petition is? Do you know how cases are argued in the courts?
You can think anything about anybody – it is your fundamental right – guaranteed by the Indian constitution.
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
I have said this before, I avoid posting on issues which I barely understand. In those cases, I ask rather than express my opinion.
I understand that it is the FCFS policy of the govt. that is in question here. You would also be aware that it has been filed “in response the 2G judgement” where 122 licences were cancelled. The GoI can’t challenge the cancellation of licences as it was definitely malafide and hence it is trying to ensure that at least it retains its right to sell the other scarce national resources the way it likes. The fishery argument is completely out of place here as it can no way be compared with mining or spectrum.
I would admit that I don’t know how cases are argued in the courts.
manohar_T Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
1) The case resolves around two points – 1) the cancellation of 122 licences 2) which is related to the directive that the spectrum be allotted again by the auction route. The Government has asked for a review from a larger bench.
2) ‘I would admit that I don’t know how cases are argued in the courts’.
Exactly the way the Attorney General is arguing. One cites precedents, what are the likely consequences would be on account of certain line of procedure being adopted.
Instead of mentioning a Japanese company, he could very well have mentioned ITC Foods (who may decide to venture into marine products), but then one does not mention specific companies. The reference was to giant organisations (international or domestic) by using the term Japanese companies (Japan being one of the biggest consumers of sea-food in the world). These big companies would elbow out small fish like you and me.
~~~ NAUKERS No 1 ~~~ OR REBELS NO 1 ~~~~~
yesterday my comment on the subject got lost in sky computing. However I am re-posting the gist.
The head naukers of the G famiily, Salman and Digvinash seem to be in a rebellious mood. They are sensing that Baby G is a fumbler left and right. While Mama mia G is also loosing her appeal to Indians.
Further on they have also sensed that their ploy of tarnishing the Muslim community as supporters of terror has failed. Their script which showed Mama G crying phoot phoot kar on the death of terrorists found no takers. Further on the Anthony committee probing the shighar patan of the COngress in UP has nailed them for bad script writing.
So both these jokers are showing their aukaat…
That in case they are sidelined they can tell the truth about the lack of intelligence of Baby G to the world!!
Imagine in 8 years of politics, Baby G has not made a policy statement, not a vision statment, not faced a press interview, never talked about Economy, foreign policy, industrial policy, Pakistani terror etc etc.
So how long can spinners in the media keep Humpty Dumpty intact?
SO ARE THE NAUKERS REBELLING??? GR99999999999999
GR999999 IS BETTER THAN GR888888888
Gopi by the way if you remember I had told you about two years back that these naukers will demoish MMS and finally make all the UPA rule look ridiculous.
Aisa bhi hota hai !!
Pathak G, remember my words? The script is going exactuly that way….
Cheers !! Mid week beer from my side for all!!
Nimbu Paani for Shenoy
Johny Walker for Mohan
Chivas for Mahesh
French Wine for Gopi
Wine for Ravi — with goats
Charas for Engrich
Arre anti Nauker movement will win !!
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 9:33 am
great post, great clairvoyance. You should open an office at Connaught Place for political jyotishya. I am sure all the politicians will flock to your office.
A slight correction. You said:
Imagine in 8 years of politics, Baby G has not made a policy statement, not a vision statment, not faced a press interview, never talked about Economy, foreign policy, industrial policy, Pakistani terror etc etc.
On the last point, he has made himself absolutely clear, that he believes LeT is almost harmless and it is the Prgya Thakurs, Purohits and Indresh Kumars, who are the number one enemy of India.
And another correction: Pathak G was someone else those days.
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 9:44 am
He also said he is a Brahmin..
But jokes apart – here is a man who is not interested in anything. Why do the congressss chmmchas go on projecting him up?
Why is there no “defection”..
I hope many will follow Salman khurshid and start criticizing (although Salman backtracked later)
Calls to Destroy Egypt’s Great Pyramids Begin.
According to several reports in the Arabic media, prominent Muslim clerics have
begun to call for the demolition of Egypt’s Great Pyramids—or, in the words of
Saudi Sheikh Ali bin Said al-Rabi‘i, those “symbols of paganism,”
which Egypt’s Salafi party has long planned to cover with wax. Most recently, Bahrain’s “Sheikh of Sunni
Sheikhs” and President of National Unity, Abd al-Latif
al-Mahmoud, called on Egypt’s new president, Muhammad Morsi, to “destroy the
Pyramids and accomplish what the Sahabi Amr bin al-As could not.”
Will we have very soon only six wonders of the world instead of seven. ?
They are even calling for banishment of Shias and Bahai’s from Egypt.
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 9:00 am
They will go the Bammian Budha (afghanistan) way if Muslim brotherhood get their way..
But on this one, US will do the drone..
I was one who cheered the Arab spring and Jasmine revolution………………!
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Our first Prime Minister’s Great grandson, his daughter’s -
another former PM of India – grandson, her son’s – one more PM of
India – nephew and his son’s – future PM of India – cousin Varun
Gandhi is more dangerous than Muslim brother hood.
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 10:01 am
an illustrious family!
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 9:20 am
We will have six wonders and the seventh will be a thundering Islamic blunder.
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Let us hope they will not do this. These are huge structures; not easy to demolish, giving enough time for other countries to move to protect.
Secularists have started the restoration of Ansari/jindal, portraying how Indian conditions transformed this innocent son of an insurance agent from Beed to the 11/26 monster.
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 9:35 am
They will soon make him a non-terrorist with a golden heart and a human face with help from the media. Inshah Allah!
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Praveen Swami of Hindu has already done it – he also implied there is nothing wrong in these guys saying “Islam is our nation; not India” , because the Indian conditions made them say that
vijay ! Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Actually these guys are darpoks. Pankaj Mishra and Arundhati Roy had tried toblame Rashtrya Rifles for the SIkh massacre in Kashmir.
If they say anythign against the Osama and hafiz saeed army, there is danger of the hit list. SO better say something against HIndus, India, Christians etc… but never NEVER against jehadis and Fidayeen
RSS ki ek aur saazish…
Unemployment in India is lowest in Gujarat, says report
The national average is 38 unemployed per thousand. In Gujarat, the figure is only 10. For comaprision, this figure is 48 in Delhi and 99 in Kerala.
That is because Muslims are not included in the report- Modi issued an order to exclude them from the statistics
Naxalbari – 50 years
Continuing our discussion on LIBOR. There is a new major threat – potential litigation that will mire many banks adversely impacting the nascent US recovery and the European rescue.
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
I won’t be surprised that some banks will be caught and fined for adopting dubious methods to dupe their customers. Yes,this may affect
the recovery in US and Euorpe but in the long term it will be good for the markets. Banks for very long time have been fooling customers and making huge amount of money through unfair means.
Folks.. Doonesbury caught on with Pakis!
Cheeseburgers are not triggers, are they?
Only if prepared by Pakistanis..
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Well, comedy or tragi-comedy?
This may interest you.
July 11, 2012, 6:37am
Manmohan Singh, Overachiever?
By VIVEK DEHEJIA
…….Mr. Singh appears to fit perfectly into the mold of a technocrat-turned-politician who’s successful in the technical and politically shielded position of finance minister, especially when backed up by a powerful prime minister, but who subsequently fails to translate this success into navigating the rough and tumble of politics involved in taking the top job of prime minister.
Gordon Brown of the United Kingdom and Paul Martin of Canada both fit this script perfectly. Each man was lauded as a successful finance minister, and much touted when he eventually took charge, but each left office as prime minister much diminished in stature and with little to show in terms of tangible accomplishment…….
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
A realistic assessment by Prof Dehejia.
The tragedy/irony is that the redistributive policies Congress pursued, most probably with an objective of capturing increased vote share, ended up in them losing votes/seats.
We are at a stage where politicians/rulers are totally out of sync with the people. It is happening all over – in Europe, US, Middle East and here in India.
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
It is an indirect admission that while MMS as FM was backed by a powerful, thinking statesman, Narasimha Rao, MMS as PM has been continuously hounded by an intellectually under-developed Sonia Gandhi.
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Could not reply to you earlier. Yes the Congress ship is sinking. The rats are rebelling against Mama Mia and Baby G !
Well i worked in an office in Connought Place once and worked on the design of a building in Connaought place once…
However this time I would use our uncle Vindo Sharma’s office in Connoight Place and request him to be the chairperson of the Anti-mauker movement….
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Vinodji may agree if you give a good forecast for him, of getting a Rajyasabha nomination under BJP government in 2014…!!!!!!!!
vijay ! Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Let us all wish him well. And I hope he gets the seat before Diginvash, Rahul and Salman manage to topple the UPA
Thanks for posting the link on the possible destruction of the pyramids. Did you see a BJP and RSS hand there as idiots, dumbos ans ***– ho _ _ _ will see?
2get and 2give pose many problems.
How 2 overcome the problems?
Just double them: 4get and 4give!!!!!!!!
Gopi, Vijay Kumar, Mohan,
I think the BJP “high command” should ask Modi to be the CM of Karnataka also. It will sve the party in Karnataka and it will give Modi good work experience outside Gujrat.
How is the idea?
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
It is a wonderful idea.
However,is there any guarantee that Yedurappa will buy into that or will he split away with his Lingayats if Modi is made CM? Also is there any residency requirement or just a requirement that he should win from a Karnataka assembly constituency in 6 months.
BJP has to find a way to contain Yedurappa. My assessment is that sadananada Gowda did a good job, and the voters may be pretty pi..d off. They may do a protest vote for Kumaraswamy or Cong next time!
Anonymous Reply:July 11th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
At least they should adopt some of the policies of Gujarat government and
working style of Modi. I am sure that will make a huge positive impact.
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 4:31 am
That is the whole problem. In Karnataka, since decades, there is a mastercard overriding all policies: corruption. All the progress has been achieved in the last decade and a half, which was in spite of the coruption.
More on Boson – “India feels insulted”… (??)
The article mentions few other contemporary Indian scientists who apparently are biggies in their fields/who should getNobel prize – Ramachandran, Prem Kumar Reddy, Lajji Siingh
Washington Post today
Ward boy as surgeon, bad; Surgeon with a degree thru quota, worse
While all of the reasons above contribute towards a growing sense of unease and mistrust in the medical fraternity as a whole, I would honestly not rate them any less heinous than the latest incident of the cleaners performing surgery. Would you, for example, be comfortable with a surgeon who would have otherwise failed his exam but got through simply because he came through a quota system that allows him a degree even if he obtains lower marks? In some, rather most, of the surgical procedures, it is either 100 per cent or nothing. How can a person who never got more than a low pass percentage ever be trusted with a surgery? It may not seem as bad as a cleaner doing a surgery, but would I still have the confidence of going under the scalpel if this guy were to operate upon me? Ditto for a person who did not have the calibre to be a doctor or a surgeon, but had the financial muscle to get admission and then even get a degree.
Mom called me and said she is coming tomorrow. Her train will reach by morning 4:00 o’clock.
Wife: What !!! She came just 4 months back only, right? Why is she coming now again..? Tomorrow is Sunday. I thought of getting up late but your mom had to come on a Sunday itself and that too morning 4:00 o’clock. Where will she get an auto at that time? I will not make any warm breakfast…she will have to do with biscuits and bread. The kids will also not go to play as she spoils them by getting chocolates, toffees and pastries for them. How many days is she going to stay..????
I said : Not my mom, your mom is coming !!!!
Wife: Wow!!…Really!! Great mom is coming. It’s been more than 2 months I have seen her. Listen na..I have the number of the auto driver…please call him and tell him to reach the station on time tomorrow morning. It’s good tomorrow is Sunday, I will get up early and make breakfast of upma and idli. She will get cakes and cookies for the kids and they will play and enjoy with their grandmother. Hope she stays for a fortnight. It will be a fun.
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 4:27 am
As there is ‘good cop, bad cop’
there is good pop and bad pop,
and also good mom and bad mom.
Rustame Hind – Dara Singh passes away.
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 4:50 am
I am very sad that an icon has passed away.
Our school days were made happier by Dara Singh’s victories in the wrestling bouts all over the world. We used to be proud of the fact that he was forever unbeaten, even by the man mountain, King Kong.
News on Pakistani TV: Pakistani satellite “Al Ghazni’ has found water, whales and sharks on moon’. The finding was confirmed by none other than ISI chief, General Kayani”.
BBC news: A recently launched Pakistani satellite, which was partly ‘made in China’, was found in the Arabian sea.
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 5:01 am
Neil Armstrong, first person to land on moon, had claimed that he had heard Azan on the moon and had later converted to Islam.
He got huge amount of money from Muslim countries and organizations.
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 5:19 am
That shows how close a relation they have with lunacy.
vijay ! Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 8:18 am
That was a hoax claim!! In fact an Egyptian organisation took out a fatwa against people who made this claim as it spoils the name of Islam.
Neil explicitly denied the conversion in his autobiography and even on a visit to Malaysia. You can read more on Wikepedia.
===================== from wikepdia============
There is no evidence whatsoever to support the claim that Neil Armstrong
converted to Islam, or that he and the other Apollo 11 crew members witnessed
anything miraculous while on the moon. Conversely, there is copious amounts of
evidence that directly or indirectly prove the entire claim to be a hoax. The evidence against this claim is so
strong that there has even been a fatwa issued confirming it as fabricated.
Armstrong himself, in his autobiography, denied ever converting to Islam. His
administrative aide and the US State Department also denied any truth behind the
conversion rumors. He would later, in Malaysia, explicitly deny that there was
any truth behind the claim that he also heard the Muslim call to prayer on the
moon, and the transcript and audio of the moon landing itself contradict the
claim that “strange” sounds or words were ever heard.
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 8:38 am
Whoever spread this rumour was intelligent enough to
know that there are many fools in the world who will believe
vijay ! Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Wityh engrich emerging out of it…
MOST CONGRESSMEN BELIEVE THAT SONIA GANDHI IS THE GRAND DAUGHTER OF MAHATMA GANDHI.
CONGRESSMEN DON’T KNOW TIMES HAVE CHANGED.
THEY DON’T KNOW THEIR TIME IS UP.
The Congress party seems to be having a hard Time. First the American magazine calls Prime Minister Manmohan Singh an “under-achiever” who will not speed up reforms to boost the sagging economy. Then, Home Minister P Chidambaram says the “middle class is ready to pay for mineral water and ice-cream, but can’t bear an increase of one rupee increase in the price of wheat and rice”, comments his office was quick to clarify a day later.
The climax is a protest against the United States consulate in Chennai by the Youth Congress on Wednesday in which the protestors tear up copies of, hold your breath, The Times of India!
Television reporters covering the event pointed out the faux paus, but the protestors could not be bothered with such niceties.
Times of India [ Images ]!
But when the prime minister is accused of inaction, when a senior Congress leader talks like Marie Antoinette, what better can be expected from Youth Congress leaders?
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 6:17 am
It is not just congressmen; most Indian youngsters believe Rahul Gandhi is the descendant of Mahathma Gandhi.
May be Indira Gandhi knew the “brand value” of Gandhi name that she kept it even after her divorce from Feroz Gandhi.
But, coming to Congress’ time out – is it anybody’s time in? What is BJP going to tell people – taht they are less corrupt?
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The Poet Of The Environmental Crisis
Jon Clare showed how the era of greed began with the enclosure of the land
The land around Helpston, just to the north of Peterborough in Northamptonshire, now ranks among the most dismal and regularised tracts of countryside in Europe. But when the poet John Clare was born this coming Friday in 1793, it swarmed with life. Clare describes species whose presence there is almost unimaginable today. Corncrakes hid among the crops (1), ravens nested in a giant oak (2), nightjars circled the heath (3), the meadows sparkled with glow worms (4). Wrynecks still bred in old woodpecker holes(5). In the woods and brakes the last wildcats clung on(6).
The land was densely peopled. While life was hard and spare, it was also, he records, joyful and thrilling. The meadows resounded with children pranking and frolicking and gathering cowslips for their May Day games (7); the woods were alive with catcalls and laughter (8); around the shepherds’ fires, people sang ballads and told tales(9). We rightly remark the poverty and injustice of rural labour at that time; we also forget its wealth of fellowship.
And then he sees it fall apart. Between 1809 and 1820, acts of enclosure granted the local landowners permission to fence the fields, the heaths and woods, excluding the people who had worked and played in them. Almost everything Clare loved was torn away. The ancient trees were felled, the scrub and furze were cleared, the rivers were canalised, the marshes drained, the natural curves of the land straightened and squared. Farming became more profitable, but many of the people of Helpston – especially those who depended on the commons for their survival – were deprived of their living. The places in which the people held their ceremonies and celebrated the passing of the seasons were fenced off. The community, like the land, was parcelled up, rationalised, atomised. I have watched the same process breaking up the Maasai of East Africa (11).
For while economic rationalisation and growth have helped to deliver us from a remarkable range of ills, they have also torn us from our moorings, atomised and alienated us, sent us out, each in his different way, to seek our own identities. We have gained unimagined freedoms, we have lost unimagined freedoms, a paradox Clare explores in his wonderful poem The Fallen Elm. Our environmental crisis could be said to have begun with the enclosures, the current era of greed, privatisation and the seizure of public assets was foreshadowed by them: they prepared the soil for these toxic crops.
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 6:45 am
Looks like she prefers Mao Tse Tung’s collective farming!
manohar_T Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 7:08 am
You win some you lose some. We cannot have both the ways.
manohar_T Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Perhaps you are right.
However, even today the best things in life are free.
Has the Congress Party made master political moves ?
They said the President shall be our very own ? So give a boot to the Opposition … But make deals …with SP in UP …. largesse to UP…who is the beneficiary ? SP. Any benefit to Congress in UP …none . Congress could not win even in a single city in urban body elections 10 out 12 go to BJP . Deal with Nitish …. Largesse for Bihar …beneficiary JDU…any benefit to Congress …none. Thumbs down in Orissa and West Bengal… as wide publicity in media to the deals with SP and JDU … loss of goodwill in both states. Who shall become President ? Pranab Mukherjea …a person Sonia Gandhi never wanted . Another wipe-out …in MP urban body elections…
Salman Khurshid says Rahulji yet to grow up… but we shall wait for him ….. Rahulji kahan hain ? …woh to game changer hai jise pura mulk dhoond raha hai ..
So who is the Chief Strategist of the Congress ? Vinod Sharma ? Could be …. the way he finds fine technical points each day on TV ..to give new spins for the Congress .
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 7:57 am
Congress has become clueless and are hoping for a miracle for a revival.What could that miracle be – Modi losing Gujarat elections,
Nitish leaving NDA, Mamta joining NDA and start giving them pain in ***
as she is doing to Congress or above all which every Congress leader
wants that Rahul announces that he is not interested in politics.
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 8:40 am
you have lined up several options for the congress think tank.
As part of Vinod Sharma’s (private) think tank, you have done really well with these suggestions.
My private information is that Ahmed Patel has strongly advised Sonia Gandhi NOT, repeat NOT to hire Jawed Akhtar for her speech writing for Gujarat elections. He has also banned anybody from (mis)using the expression, ‘maut ka saudagar’ anywhere in Gujarat after the elections are announced.
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 10:49 am
mohan; BJP seems equally clueless…
What is happening in karnataka and MP are equally bad or worse.
and they are not demonstrating any leadership in the parliament other than calls for resignation
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 8:31 am
I knew since a long time back, that we are not ordinary bloggers.
Now that the picture is getting clearer, some of us wise right wingers can help Vinodji with necessary inputs so that he would be chosen as the master strategist of Robert Vadhera Gandhi.
And I will be the chief of his South India bureau.
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 8:35 am
I can help them internationally.
vijay ! Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 8:37 am
We have Representatives in Dubai, US, UK, Delhi, Mumbai…. and of course Tora Bora…
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 9:58 am
But, you have to be careful. No jokes. No sex. No drinks.
Will you still accept the post?
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 10:38 am
No way as these are ony three things I know.
~~~ WITH BABY G TUMBLING~~~ WILL SAALA G PUT UP HIS HAND? ~~~
Today morning I played squash with a Congressboy who is the son of a senior COngressman and maybe a possible MP from Delhi tomorrow.
“Lagta hai Baby G is tumbling, ” I needled him in between the game, “what is the plan B of COngress?”
He winked at me, “all of us look at the high command for cues… maybe Robert .. Rahul wont pitch for PM now. At best the he would be the COngress President.”
He himself did not seem convinced.
But I guess Rahul knows his limitations of not being able to face the media, not being able to talk about policy, not having enough knowledge to tackle issues. But will our media men, the band masters understand this?
I Used to Drink Urine Too, What’s the Fuss?: Agnivesh
With a nationwide outrage and the NCPCR’s appeal for an investigation into
the matter of a Visva-Bharati warden forcing a class 5 girl student to drink her
urine for bed-wetting, the incident does not seem to affect social activist
Swami Agnivesh. He had claimed that drinking urine is a “traditional cure” for
such a condition.
“Why is there so much fuss made about the suggestion given to Visva-Bharati’
Patha Bhavan school girl who was suggested to consume her own urine by her
hostel warden, Uma Poddar, as cure for bed wetting. It is a simple piece of
advice by the hostel warden, which has created so much ruckus by the girl’s
parents and then by the media,” Agnivesh said in a statement
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 8:27 am
What will happen if it is true what CAG suspects? Will Mamta be punished? Will these trains be cancelled ? Or will it be just another futile
exercise where nothing happens ?
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Swami Agnivesh will soon launch his own brand of water and call it “Pissleri.”
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 10:36 am
that is a good one
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 10:39 am
~~~ KYA YEH PAISA CONGRESS KA HAI ? ~~~~
I would hand it to the BJP for being dumb for not cashing on this one. If I were in a position of power I would raise so much stink that the UPA would have not place to run.
TO STAY IN POWER, THE CONGRESS IS USING CENTRAL FUNDS AS IF YEH BAAP KA PAISA HAI !
When Sonia screamed that “humne paisa state ko bheja….”
I thought she was joking. NOw I knwo all central funds are begin treated as a personal kitty by the COngress.
All states are supposed to be equal in the Indian system. But the UPA has crafted a clever, sly, evil policy where it releases funds to ONLY THOSE states which are against the BJP or those states which support the UPA.
a) It cut a deal of 20,000 crores when Nitish broke away from BJP and supported Pranab
b) It is giving 50,000 crores to Muilayam to get his support.
Gujarat, Orissa, Bengal, Punjab, MP, Chattisgarh WONT GET AN EQUIVALENT FUND.
This is gross misuse of central funds.
ONE MORE REASON FOR KICKING THE COMMUNAL, REGIONAL ANTI NATIONAL CONGRESS IN THE BUM.
What do you say Pathak G and fellow bloggers?
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 8:28 am
As long as Rahul is part of Congress they cannot win.
vijay ! Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 8:30 am
I think the realisation is dawning in..
The Congress should move away from dynasty worship to become a well oiled business machine working in a professional manner with no corruption
Comptroller and Auditor General lens on trains introduced by Mamata Banerjee
A team of auditors from the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) of India will travel on select trains originating and terminating at Sealdah and Howrah stations to ascertain whether their introduction was at all necessary.
Nearly all these trains were introduced by Mamata Banerjee during her tenure as railway minister between 2009 and May 2011.
According to sources in the CAG, this exercise is part of a thematic review on ‘Introduction of New Trains’. The purpose of the review is to find out exactly how popular these trains are.
“Our auditors will not only travel on these trains, they will also take photographs of the coaches to establish their findings. We have already asked the respective railway zones to make the arrangements to ensure that the auditors are not harassed,” a CAG source said.
Sources say that the review was planned after the CAG received reports that several new trains are being introduced as populist measures without augmenting infrastructure. According to some experts, this is one of the causes for the increase in the number of accidents. Not only is existing infrastructure being over-utilised, there is also lack of proper maintenance of tracks and rolling stock.
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 8:53 am
What is happening here. You had posted this about one hour back
which vanished and it has again reappeared as a new post. My comments also which I had posted in reply to this are appearing at
a different place. I will repost those :
manohar_T Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Did not notice. Disqus must be playing tricks.
What will happen? Your guess is as good as mine. Nothing.
Unless, a railway minister like Dinesh Trivedi (minus Mamata) comes along and has a relook at the whole system in an holistic manner. But, it is not in our stars to have a minister like him.
Ever since the late Madhavrao’s Scindia’s time in the 80s till today, every Minister has used railways as a personal ‘jaagir’ to favour one’s constituency.
This is a waste of CAG time –they should focus on the other zillion issues..
So what if she put few more trains there.. I bet none of them is running empty.
We need more rains and tracks.
There are uncovered 2Gs hiding in various departments.. CAG should focus on that rather than a fishing trip through W bengal
manohar_T Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
The CAG has the authority to audit any department. it is not a waste of time and money.
Not empty – true, but the question is whether there is enough load (not necessarily 100%) to recover the operating cost, if not making profit.
We need more trains and tracks. Yes, she does not allow any increase in fares to make profit and the profits can used to lay new tracks and new trains. She has turned everything upside down.
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Is getting new tracks and trains a priority of the govt. or just staying in power at any cost? Why didn’t the PM didn’t put his govt. at stake as he did in case of the nuclear deal? The NDA campaign was not completely wrong where they claimed that MMS is a weak PM. The country didn’t buy it is a different story.
manohar_T Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Getting new trains and tracks is the priority in places where there is enough traffic to justify the increase (the railway engines do not operate on and the railway staff do not live on fresh air). Of course, there are certain routes that are maintained for connectivity to certain areas or heritage purposes (The Darjeeling Himalayan Railway for instance) in spite of poor returns.
Mamata has thrown safety, maintenance and modernisation to the winds – in the name of aam aadmi.
Let us not get into NDA -vs- UPA. When Nitish Kumar was the Railway Minister, he too went bonkers in introducing Bihar specific trains plus projects and Vajpayee could not do a thing about it (*).
* Many months back I has posted a comment as to how the cabinet system of governance works. The Prime Minister is just the head of equals. If he does not like what a cabinet minister does, he has the ‘authority’ to remove him. In coalition politics, the Prime Minister is unable to exercise that right.
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
There would never be a dearth of passengers on Bihar bound trains. Launch another dozen trains and I would bet my last penny that none of them would have a reserved seat left unsold in any class of travel. And, the number of passengers travelling without a reservation (in general coaches) would also beat any long haul train.
Mamata has thrown………… in the name of aam-admi.
Well, she still is part of UPA and the govt. can’t blame her and get rid of its own responsibilities. If you have got the majority in house without her – then perform. If you don’t have the numbers without her, quit.
manohar_T Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Your point no 1.
Who decides that? The same argument Mamata can also put forward. The population of Calcutta (multiple times more than Patna) and West Bengal is nothing to be scoffed at either. So tell me another.
Your point no 2.
Your view, which I may not agree with. They are not going to oblige you either, clearing the way for your beloved party and leaders to ………
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
yes, you are right about her quirky behavior.
However, from a wastage/abuse of dollars perspective, shouldn’t CAG go after other huge wastage/white elephants existing than possibly an underwhelmed traffic train.
manohar_T Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
It goes after whatever and wherever there is flouting of norms, imprudence and criminal waste of resources.
there was a debate between the two of you about Democracy Vs other forms of Govt.
Here is a view on another form (Chinese Confucian) that makes a lot of sense for eastern countries including India
manohar_T Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Thanks. Will post a response later in the night.
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Thanks. Makes a lot of sense! (well, that is why HE is Confucius!)
vijay ! Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Having done a fair bit of China I would say the infrastructure is perfect and absolute latest. Even more impressive than most of Europe.
On the flipside China succeeded but many of the dictatorships failed miserably. Like say Pakistan or even Iraq under Saddam which had reached a dead end. North Korea is a dodo. Cambodia and Vietnam which followed similar patterns of communnism as china did under mao falied too.
In fact China under mao was a failure . Only when they followed the Singapore model of growth and governance did they succeed.
I guess India needs to follow the democratic model… but get in a system of fast courts, instant punishment, good police, …. the list is long.
Frankly many CHinese were curious about India’s democracy…
And many found it funny that we called ourselves a democracy even though like North Korea we only chose leaders from one family.
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
“……like North Korea we only chose leaders from one family.”
Very soon, Inshah Allah, that is going to change.
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Where? In North korea?? (just kidding)
BTW Is yedurappa’ son an MP? Any other children in politics?
vijay ! Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Really good !! Sometimes you really display delctable humour, much like VVS laxman’s wristwork…!
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 4:55 am
No. Their main occupation, till recently, was land grabbing. Now they are all busy in keeping themselves out of the jails.
vijay ! Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
We will be the ” Change ka suadagar ! “
manohar_T Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
1) Whichever body of people occupy the seat of power and governance must have legitimacy (there can be no ifs and buts on this count).
2) All people are born equal.
3) Now something to ponder
Which body of people have the right / privilege to give this legitimacy?
What qualifications a person must possess to be a legitimacy-giver?
Who decides the above qualifying standards?
What qualifications a person must have in order to decide the qualifying
standards for legitimacy-givers?
Just answer the above questions and you should know as to which system of governance is preferable.
Based on your or other people’s response (if any), we will take this debate further.
A country that does not preserve and protect its heritage is bound to be not a country-
UP panchayat bans love marriages, bars women from using mobile phones
In what could be termed as a strange diktat by a village panchayat in the Baghpat district of Uttar Pradesh, girls were ordered not to use mobile phones on the streets and women less than 40-year-old were banned from shopping.
The panchayat of Asara village, in Ramala police circle, also banned love marriages. However, in a surprising decision, the panchayat also said that taking or giving dowry will be a punishable offence.
Besides, the use of head phones by boys has also been banned on roads and in bylanes.
Anonymous Reply:July 12th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Well, one step at a time.. It is good that dowry practices will be punished.
may eb they should bring one on compulsory upto plus 2 education — other items pointed will be taken care of automatically once pancchayat members get educated
Kargil War – Pakistan’s misadventure.
Part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs9TS_ddeEg
Part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6QFHb5PRVQ
Part 3 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeeXGmC0vaI
Ravi Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 6:31 am
Although I had seen these before, I still found these fascinating and very revealing.
manohar_T Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 6:40 am
This is one of the series of admissions by their side of the foolhardy & villainous adventure (Himalayan miscalculations and blunders) undertaken by General Musharraf. There are other programmes wherein the other senior army personnel (retired generals) also slam Musharraf.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 7:12 am
In kargil, brave Indian jawan put lot of Bumb in bhund of you LeT fauj. How you escape?
Ravi Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 7:44 am
You are now stooping to Vijay’s level
vijay ! Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 7:55 am
The innocent lad put in a query on the perfidy and cowardly nature of your Pakistani organisation called LeT. I think you should answer him, rather than drag me into the picture for your problems emanating out of worshiping jehadis and fidayeen.
manohar_T Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 8:38 am
Time to ignore Shekhar, who is resorting to abuse and profanities, like the guru-chelaa team here. Not worth the trouble to engage (and lower one’s own standards) with such foul-mouthed individuals, totally lacking in etiquette and civilised discourse. Wonder where his elders went wrong.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 8:52 am
Pakistan army has used rMuslim eligion to further their ventures.
but independent operators also have used religion as their rallying cry -isnt “Nation of Islam” one of the goals of Al Qureda and all its affiliated organizations
Most of the jehadis exploding all over the world are not sent by the Pakistani army; they are zealots driven by a vision of Islam
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Pakistan was built on the basis of religion – I think it was Islam!!
Ravi Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 9:12 am
So you are agreeing with my statement “much in the same way as previous generations of Politicians had used religion as the basis for solving political issues.”
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Yes – some of them did use religion for their politics.
The coming days will be full of worshipful news of Rober G, since the congress has all but given up on Baby G.
Here is a joke, in celebration of that event.
Raabert: Boss! Aaap ko kaun si teen chiz sabse jahyahda pasand hein boss?
Ajit: Ek Mona, Doosra Sona, aur Tisra, Mona ke saath Sona.
vijay ! Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Sona… ab kickbacks mein sona milega toh mazaa aa jayega…
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 8:44 am
i do not think they will go with robberji
it will be Priyanka, with robberji the 10% er
~~~ RAJDEEP SARDESAI IMPLORES BABY G TO COME OUT ~!! ~~~
As I have been pointing out Baby G is basically fit to be a Kindergarten School principal and not the PM of a country as diverse and as complex as India.
But all the kings men and all the Kings horses will not have it any other way.
Today Rajdeep Sardesai has graced the editorial column of the HT and asked Baby G to play a full fledged role instead of a cameo.
My question is if the cameo is so disastrous… then the full fledged innings would be a tsunami of disasters. Why can’t the kings men leave the poor guy alone. Let him be a businessman, an MP and let him lead his life, instead of begging him to lead us.
Arab spring… can just spring back a thousand years.
Here is a news item which caught my eye on NDTV
Egypt to launch TV channel with fully-veiled
Service | Updated: July 12, 2012 12:51 IST
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Well Arab spring is taking a detour. Only time will tell whether the dictators were better than the outfits like Muslim brotherhood; granted the present Muslim Brotherhood is 100% different from the original one
A girl met an incident and lost lot of blood. Her boyfriend’s blood matched and
gave her few bottles. After about a year they had a fight and boy asked her to return his blood back. His girlfriend threw a blood soaked Stayfree at his face and said ‘ from today EMI of blood starts’
Good day Freinds.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 10:15 am
It can’t be EMI. It can only be MI.
German circumcision ban unites religions, worries doctors.
Nothing wrong in Mumbai Police imposing ‘right values’
V. Gangadhar – a Mumbai based columnist.
A farmhouse at Igatpuri, near Mumbai yielded six skeletons. Expensive flats in posh suburbs at Andheri and Oshiwara were scenes of gruesome murders. Mumbai no longer needs horror movies or comics. Open the newspapers every morning, the horror stories hit you. Not just murder, but decapitation and further mutilation. A disgruntled man thought nothing of bashing to death six members of his family and burying their bodies. The inside pages have more — rave parties, chain snatchings (seven within two hours one day), rape, molestation and its lesser version called eve teasing on the roads, buses and suburban trains. Human life is cheap, people are killed over negligible amounts and minor irritations. Others meet the same fate for no reasons whatsoever.
For the past two months or so, Mumbai police has been active in raiding bars, breaking up parties which went on and on and checking the licences of restaurants, drinking joints and night clubs. They are only trying to enforce already existing laws being broken every night with impunity by the celebrity crowd that believed they were above the law. A Preity Zinta, Deepika Padukone or Farhan Akthar think they can carry on birthday celebrations or housewarming parties with loud music and dancing till 3 or 4 a.m. Finally the police stepped in only when other residents complained.
Socialite Parmeshwar Godrej’s party for U.S. TV star, Oprah at Juhu would have gone on until the morning but for police intervention. Mind you, the police stepped in only reluctantly. Celebrities have “high connections” both in the police and the media. Very often, reporting in the celebrity media is heavily biased, painting the police as kill joys breaking up innocent parties and ignoring major crimes.
Mr. Bhatia made several references to Assistant Commissioner of Police Vasant Dhoble, presenting him as a hockey stick-wielding maniac. He is accused of arresting innocent women on charges of prostitution. He has barged into parties and bars demanding to check their licences and whether drugs were being consumed. The hockey stick was no doubt there, but there are no reports of Mr. Dhoble using it.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 9:00 am
What is your opinion as a resident? Some reports say that Mumbai of today is much different from Mumbai of yesterday – gone are the days of free spirit, acceptance, “can do” attitude..The police excess may have something to do with that.
manohar_T Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 9:26 am
The city is what you say – of free spirit, acceptance, and can do, where dreams become reality.
Then every now and then politicians (non-mumbaikars) come from some one-cow villages / hamlets, where everybody goes to bed at 12 past 8 in the evening. They seek to impose that rural lifestyle and morals on the city folks. The latest is R R Patil – the Home Minister and the self-appointed moral policeman of Mahrashtra. ACP Dhoble is there to do his bidding. The tragedy is that no one else wants his job of the Home Minister.
As I see it, this harassment will stop, because this will lead to where it hurts the most – the pocket. Sooner or later, the Government and the Municipality will see a reduction in tax collections – then they will wake up. Moreover, the restaurant association is very strong. A large number of local politicians and many suggest also police officers have stakes in the restaurants and bars.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Harassment will stop when all these bars and restaurant owners will agree to pay more money for ‘protection ‘ than what they are paying now.
manohar_T Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 11:52 am
It is not a matter of ‘protection money’, there are always individuals who imagine themselves to be ’saviours’ of fellow citizens and wish to prevent them from ‘moral degradation’.
R R Patil and ACP Dhoble are two such examples.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
What’s wrong in preventing citizens from moral degradation?
Have either of the two individuals gone against an existing law in their pursuit?
manohar_T Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Who gave a right to a person to decide what is moral degradation and further go about enforcing it? Just not done in democratic societies. Let me decide my morals and as long as it does not harm others – let these moral policeman retire and go to bed early every day.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 9:19 am
The police all over the country always knows about the persons who are openly flouting the rules in their respective areas. They go after them when they want to. At other times, they just sit back. It could be for a consideration or for the fear of a reprimand from their bosses. Mr. Dhoble (as per the media reports) is doing a good job.
manohar_T Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 9:28 am
He is doing a good job to a certain extent, but his methods are all wrong. In any other civilised country, he would have been dismissed by now. See my response below to Gopi.
Just because people are out dining and drinking in an establishment that do not have proper licences and permits (how do the people know that it is so or not?), the police have no business to brand them as people of ‘loose’ morals and character’, proceeding to harass, defame and arrest them.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 9:46 am
On second thought, this may be his way to gain publicity and then carry on doing what others have been doing anyways.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Police had demanded more hafta from these bar owners which was refused and the harassment started. Once a settlement has reached everything will be back to normal.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 10:12 am
the curious fact is, in a city of 14 million, not one single soul has come forward claiming that ACP Dhoble has used the hockey stick on him/her.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Next time when I visit any bar in Bombay I will ask them to show me a permit before I order my first peg.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 10:10 am
you have to beg for the licence;
but the peg? just ‘order’ it.
Brothers, I have only got angry because Mr Ravi gives lie about RSS and J&K Situation. Out here all know that Pakistan is behind the terror and bumb attacks. But lot of funny stories are given that if you behave good then Pakistan stop attacks.
First Pak army says we are not in Kargil. Maybe independent operator is there.
Then someone says army is there but not Pakistan people.
Is Pakistani army made by people of Peru?
Pakistan is based on jehadi ideology of murder and converting. Pakistan people, army, ISI, terrorist are all one and same thing. No difference. Mind you, Pakistan people must be laughing at innocent Indian who fall for tall stories.
Moral of the story:
It pays to be a crook in India – the bigger the better.
A serving army man, Col Purohit remains behind the bars for ‘alleged’ terrorist activities since 1998 without any proof or “charge-sheet”. Once in custody, he was also made an accused in another case – again without any proof or charge-sheet. During an army’s Court of Inquiry as many as 59 witnesses testified that Lt Col Purohit was doing his job (of gathering intelligence inputs) by infiltrating extremist organizations.
An MP, Mr. Kalmadi charge-sheeted in multi-crore CWG scam gets bail and then the permission to attend London Olympics at a bond of only Rs.10 Lakh.
Everyone is indeed equal before the law!!
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Hamara Bharat Mahan.
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Many people in J&K specially from PDP directly linked to terrorist. But not one arrest
Abu Jindal who has himself admitted his involvement in 26/11 is a young misguided Muslim who needs our sympathy and Col. Purohit against whom no concrete proof has been found is in jail since many years is considered as a hardcore terrorist.
Ravi Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Which extremist organisations did Col Purohit infilterate?
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Ravi Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 11:12 am
A Muslim Terrorist Organisation?
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 11:29 am
By the way, as per one of his superiors, he infiltrated the SIMI and other underground outfits too in 2007. So, what’s the point?
Ravi Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 11:50 am
No point what so ever, just chewing gum.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
I didn’t know when you added to your original post.
Anyways, wiki (your source) also says this. Abhinav Bharat has also been accused of plotting to kill senior RSSleaders who they thought “weren’t doing enough for Hindutva.”. These plots include allegations from an arrested Abhinav Bharat member in June 2010 that members were involved in a plot to kill President Mohan Bhagwat.
So, the point again is?
Ravi Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
The point is that all these organisations belong to the Sangh Parivaar. The fact that some of them are more extreme than others is neither here nor there. Many of these have violent tendencies.
The second point is that Religious Extremism is not exclusive to Islam but also can be found in Hinduism.
Furthermore, Islamic Extremism has greater presence out-side of India than it has inside of India. One reason for that is because for a whole variety of reasons Indian Muslims are different.
A lot of what passes for Indian Muslim Violence comes from Pakistan, see my other post on this issue.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
1. The Hindu extremist organisation members were plotting to kill the RSS chief and you want me to believe that they belong to the Sangh Parivar.
2. In which year Abhinav Bharat was formed? How many members has it got and what’s the worst crime for which any of its members have been convicted? When did the RSS support their activities?
3. Islamic extremism is less in India because the Muslims in India live alongside people of a more tolerant religion.
manohar_T Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
“The Hindu extremist organisation members were plotting to kill the RSS
chief and you want me to believe that they belong to the Sangh Parivar”.
There are numerous instances in history when a section turns against the other within the same organisations (for a variety of reasons) and have no qualms of eliminating them – for them the objective is important not individuals. For instance, one strongman / military general overthrowing another (they probably dined together the previous night).
So you better believe it, it is possible. Not saying that is what Abhinav Bharat wanted to do and we will perhaps never know.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Point taken. Thanks!!
Ravi Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
1. Yes I do.
2. Some of that is public knowledge and some is like Socialists and Communists are ideological cousins even if organisationally they may remain different, similarly Abhinav Bharat and the RSS are ideologically part of the federation of Sanghy organisations.
3. That is probably very true. However, I make major distinction between ordinary Hindus (I love) and Hindu Nationalists.(I despise)
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
McDonalds i.e. I’m lovin’ it.
If naxals are a part of mainstream political parties like CPI etc, then, I am happy to accept that Abhinav Bharat is also a part of Sanghy orgainsation – whatever that means. Do all corrupt parties like SP, DMK, NCP, RJD etc fall under the larger Congressi family?
I know as long as Hindus don’t react to Muslim extremists, you are OK. Once they even think about giving back as good as they get as in response to Godhra, you have a problem.
Ravi Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Yes I do have a M A J O R problem.
Simply because Godhra did not happen in a political vacuum.
These incidents are almost always a part of a series of incidents. It then becomes an issue from which point in the series does one start the count. For you the chain is small, Godhra and its reaction riot. For me the chain is longer and includes the Babari Masjid, etc.
The silliest argument is to lump corrupt organisations together as if corruption is an ideology. Extending your logic further then one can say Congress and BJP belong the family of Indian Political Parties and then why stop there why not lump them with the British Conservative party, after all they are all membered by People.
So my friend what you thought was your killer blow and a winning strike against me, is scarcely anything other than an example of your petulance.
If winning matters to you so much there…..
You win and I loose.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Well, we leave it here for the benefit of others. This thread is becoming boring and then we can always resume it some other day. After all, what else we do here?
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
You do not have any problem.
YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, BECAUSE you are an Islamic fundoo.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Ishwar, your point no.3 is very true. The congress party and other seculars have been acceding to every demand the Muslim fundamentalists put forth from time to time, beginning 1946 when they accepted partition on the demand of the Muslim league.
EMS Namboodiripad created a Muslim majority district Malappuram acceding to the demand of the same Muslim League.
The Bukhari is not arrested because the congress government in Delhi doesn’t want to obey the law.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Fake Ravi needs no points.
His single point agenda is attack RSS, Hindus, India.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Allowing Kalmadi to go for Olympics is simple too much irrespective of whether Purohit is innocent or guilty
manohar_T Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Pick two cases (unrelated as it turns out), twist certain details to score brownie points.
1. The Colonel was arrested in 2008, how did you dream of 1998? Whether there is any proof or charge sheet – I do not know – everything is not made known to the public, lest it jeopardizes further probe or leads to other conspirators. Whenever a bail application is made (I believe such applications have been made even in the higher courts too), the judge is shown the relevant proof / evidence, based upon which the judge decides. Perhaps, the 59 witnesses have not yet been cross examined – just their statements are never enough to prove someone’s innocence or guilt. At the same time, as per press reports – his superiors have stated that they had not authorised him to infiltrate Abhinav Bharat or other extremist outfits. We have yet to know what exactly is the truth. (*)
2. Corruption is a lesser crime than killing people (innocent or otherwise). I am not justifying corruption or defending Kalmadi, but merely explaining the legal position. Once a person is out on bail (not having yet established his guilt or innocence), his liberties cannot be unilaterally curtailed, but there are restrictions, like not allowed to travel abroad without the court’s permission or make it mandatory for the accused to report to the police station daily or weekly or whatever. Tomorrow, if any of the arrested members of the Abhinav Bharat are released on bail, the court would in all probability put restrictions on them too. Even today, Sanjay Dutt and Salman Khan need court’s nod to travel abroad.
* Blame it on the snail’s pace of justice system.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
1998 was a typo. I stand corrected.
The cases may be unrelated but the bottom-line is: Law treats individuals differently. It is a fact.
There is no proof and definitely no charge-sheet against Col Purohit – if there is one, why isn’t it being made public. The confessions of Aseemanand is made public, why? Does that not jeopardise the probe?
The statement of 59 army men means nothing but the confessions of Aseemanand while in police custody (which he has himself denied) must be the truth???
You are more or less validating my point. It’s not all that bad to be a corrupt – Kalmadi, Raja, Kanimozhi and all the corporate honchos involved in 2G are out despite having been charge-sheeted.
There are some misguided people who don’t know what they should be doing. Make money by whichever means and if you have made enough, you’d be making the laws.
manohar_T Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
How do you know there is no proof? I do not know either – whether there is proof or not. Let the judge be what else the best judge whether to grant or deny bail.
No charge sheet! When there will be one – it will be filed and will become public.
Whose confessions or testimonies are more valid or more convincing or the truth will be decided by the courts after hearings & cross examinations, and not by the investigating agencies.If you are convinced of his innocence, so be it. It only shows where your sympathies lie – nothing more, nothing less.
I am not validating any crime of any nature.
Correct, once the charge sheet is filed, generally the accused are entitled to bail, as the investigations are complete, that is the law. In case of killings / murders, it may not be so. Each case is decided on individual merits. There are bailable and non-bailable offences. Unfortunately for you, Col Purohit & Co. fall in the latter category.
Corruption is an universal issue and is as old as mankind is. No solution has been found, the laws (and the Lokpal) are not going to reduce corruption – societies’ attitude towards will help us to do it. The system and laws have to be made to make them more deterrent to minimise it.
In AP by polls, who won the maximum number of seats? By a person who is accused of massive corruption. If you wish to have a corrupt free system, next time do not vote for a corrupt party (that includes the BJP).
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Thanks Manohar, I see your point.
I wouldn’t vote for the BJP, any suggestions?
manohar_T Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
I am in the same boat. Even I am wondering who to vote for the next time around.
pankaj#1 Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
So, once Purohit is set free, how you will compensate him for lost time of his productive life?? will state pay him $100 million as some sort of compensation? though freedom can not be compensate by money at all. How many years you can keep a man under detention without charges??? Judge must set a time limit. Period.
manohar_T Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 5:43 am
Purohit is not alone. There are numerous people like him.
Some recent examples will embarrass you
It is for the judge to decide if any monetary compensation has to be paid or not in individual cases.
To minimise the trauma, etc, the justice system needs to be speeded up.
Teacher asks Johnny what you want to be when you grow up?
I Wanna be a billionaire, going to the most expensive club, take the best *****, give her a Ferrari over a million, an apartment in Copacabana, a mansion in Paris, a jet to travel through Europe; an Infinite visa card, and make love to her three times a day.
The teacher, not knowing what to do with the bad behavior of the child decides not to give importance to what he said and then continues the lesson:
And you, Marie?
Maam, I have no doubt, I want to be Johnny’s *****..
A HILARIOUS INTERVIEW BY SHANKARULLAH VAGHELA.
How did you lose the Godhra Lok Sabha seat?
Because of overconfidence. There was only 40 per cent voting and I toured the constituency in seven days — one day per Assembly seat. Plus the BJP put up minority candidates as Independents and ran a campaign [asking people] to vote for Muslims and not the Congress. Amit Shah along with the police brought antisocial elements of the BJP and camped here. Muslims voted only 25 per cent, Independents got 35,000 votes which would not have been possible without sponsorship. Plus internal rivalry… It was sabotage. They struck a deal with BJP leaders to defeat Dinsha Patel, Madhusudan Mistry and me.
Because of overconfidence. There was only 40 per cent voting and I toured the constituency in seven days — one day per Assembly seat. Plus the BJP put up minority candidates as Independents and ran a campaign [asking people] to vote for Muslims and not the Congress. Amit Shah along with the police brought antisocial elements of the BJP and camped here. Muslims voted only 25 per cent, Independents got 35,000 votes which would not have been possible without sponsorship. Plus internal rivalry… It was sabotage. They struck a deal with BJP leaders to defeat Dinsha Patel, Madhusudan Mistry and me.
In your last meeting with minorities, you said you had become Shankarullah Khan.
The Congress’s minority cell hosted a convention. Gujarat’s Muslims have been fearful since 2002. They are branded Congressmen and the Congress is branded a party for Muslims, as BJP alleges. I said that when I was a candidate in Radhanpur, BJP called me Shankarullah Khan. I told the minorities, we have faith in you, but if you don’t vote [for the Congress] and the Congress loses for such people, there might be a problem.
Some Muslim leaders did not like it.If they didn’t like it, so be it. Where was I wrong? Today the Congress’s monopoly among minorities is gone, but the branding remains. But the people because of whom this branding happened have moved out. How can we get results? In a majority vs minority war, the majority always wins.
Why does the Congress not trust you?
There were rumours of you joining the BJP, the NCP…Yes, I was going, I say this openly. I did not want that in 2012, suddenly I should be told that let us give it [Gujarat] up. I feel the party should be readying candidates at least six months, if not a year, in advance. It is barely six months to the polls. Where are the candidates? My displeasure still stands. Then, I said, no negative campaign: abuse the BJP but if by mistake it takes a Hindu vs Muslim turn, then it becomes just like 2002 or 2007… So we should go with a positive campaign to the people after doing proper homework. In the last one year the Congress toured 156 municipalities. I wanted to do this… if they had agreed I would have gone ahead. But they went on. These were my reasons [for wanting] to quit then. I did not want to go to the BJP; if I went to NCP it would have damaged the Congress, which I did not wish. But now the party is activated. There is faith that there will be change. Workers have confidence, people have confidence.
Fearless Five set example – Collectors defy political pressure in appointments
Four young district collectors have dared to defy pressure from AIADMK politicians in recruiting staff for anganwadis and noon-meal centres where 61 lakh children are fed for free every day.
The fearless four have chosen to follow in the footsteps of M. Balaji, the Virduhunagar district collector who was the first to ring in a transparent appointment system despite strings pulled by Tamil Nadu ministers and MLAs keen to push their nominees.
Balaji’s punishment transfer has not deterred the four. “There were pressures, both political and from some of our own higher officers, but we did not yield,” said one of the collectors.
“It is a shame. On the one hand, chief minister Jayalalithaa had taken to task AIADMK’s Chennai councillors for corruption but a straightforward officer like Balaji has been sidelined for doing an honest job,” a senior IAS officer said.
The bigwigs, who had hoped Balaji’s transfer would make others fall in line, got a second jolt when the four district collectors similarly rolled out a transparent selection process, weeding out ineligible and influential candidates.
Anshul Mishra issued a statement saying job aspirants could complain to him directly if anyone demanded money in exchange for the posts. When a widow told him she had paid a bribe of Rs 1.5 lakh, he promised her a job on condition that she retrieved the money.
“Many were misled into believing that they could sell the provisions of the noon-meal centre in black and recover their bribe money, which is just another way of perpetrating a corrupt system,” Mishra said.
Anu George asked tehsildars and BDOs to hand-deliver appointment letters to ensure the right candidates received them.
Darez Ahamed sent officials to check out the social status of candidates and weeded out well-off ones living in big houses but claiming to live in huts.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
I do not know much about the “Collector” system there; but I know he is a powerful bureaucrat with almost total control for a large area/people.
That in itself may be a problem to get things done. USA does not have any position like that; there is an elected County Commissioner, but with far fewer responsibilities
manohar_T Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
The Collector, called Deputy Commissioner or District Magistrate (if he is endowed with judicial powers – a legacy of the British Raj, but that have been reduced drastically after independence with the separation of judiciary from the executive) in some states especially in Northern India and in Pakistan too, is the Head of the bureaucracy and the police (the police chief reporting to him) in a district.
Yes, he has immense powers and responsibilities (practically everything that happens in a district), how he exercises it depends on the individual concerned, as the above 5 have shown the guts to take on the politicians and fixers.
This system has been inherited from the British Raj, when the primary responsibility was collection of revenue / taxes (hence the title Collector) and dispense justice (District Magistrate). Today, the area of responsibility have increased manifold and very less judicial powers.
1) The Pastor’s ***
The Pastor entered his donkey in a race and it won. The Pastor was so pleased with the donkey that he entered it in the race again and it won again.
The local paper read:
PASTOR’S *** OUT FRONT.
2) The Bishop was so upset with this kind of publicity that he ordered the Pastor not to enter the donkey in another race.
The next day the local paper headline read:
BISHOP SCRATCHES PASTOR’S ***.
3) This was too much for the Bishop so he ordered the Pastor to get rid of the donkey.
The Pastor decided to give it to a Nun in a nearby convent.
The local paper, hearing of the news, posted the following headline the next day:
NUN HAS BEST *** IN TOWN.
4) The Bishop fainted. He informed the Nun that she would have to get rid of the donkey so she sold it to a farmer for $10.
The next day the paper read:
NUN SELLS *** FOR $10.
5) This was too much for the Bishop so he ordered the Nun to buy back the donkey and lead it to the plains where it could run wild.
The next day the headlines read:
NUN ANNOUNCES HER *** IS WILD AND FREE.
The Bishop was buried the next day.
The moral of the story is . . . being concerned about public opinion can bring you much grief and misery . . even shorten your life. So be yourself and enjoy life. Stop worrying about everyone else’s *** and you’ll be a lot happier and live longer!
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Mohan would go into hiding after reading this. :-)
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Now fake Ravi will come up with a joke about the Poojari and his cow.
manohar_T Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
nahi bhai. Mohan is Don Bradman of jokes, I may be just a club cricketer at most. Only occasionally, I am able to make people laugh.
pankaj#1 Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
pankaj#1 Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
I will have to save it in the Joke book.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
manohar_T Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Make it a part of your collection.
Mayanmar democracy is not even two months old; Muslims already wanting to split off.
NY Times report that Rohingya Muslims from the Rohingya region of Mayanmar wants to be out of the “Budhist control”..Killings are going on.
Uighyar Muslims in China wants to separate from other Chinese.
Mali Muslims want to rid of Sufis there.
The list is endless.
Why cannot Muslims live in harmony with others?
And Ravi says it is all political manipulations; nothing wrong with the stuff itself! The stuff is high octane pure quality!
(May be there are RSS activists in Uighyar/China, Rohingya/Mayanmar, Mali, Pakistan….)
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
All of them are following the lead given by the Indian Muslims in 1947.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Dont you think the division would have happened if not in 1947, may be later?
Had partition not happened in 1947, and had Sardar patel lived for ten more years, may be things would have been stabilized, and country put on a unification course than the divisive course Congress ushered in without a countervailing force like Patel’s..
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
I agree. But, if partition had happened some years later, there wouldn’t have been a million and more deaths in the religious frenzy. If Patel died and Gandhiji too had died due to natural causes, and Jinnah too died, passions could have been contained and partition could have been made more orderly, and logically too.
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
You are right. The hastiness, immediacy etc caused a holocaust. It could have been better managed a few years down, or may be may not have happened at all.
manohar_T Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Anti-Sardar Patel book sold from RSS HQ in Gujarat
Narendra Modi displayed great alacrity in banning Jaswant Singh’s Jinnah book in Gujarat. But another such tome, authored by RSS ideologue H V Seshadri, which also slams Sardar Patel for precipitating Partition, has been in circulation for the last 27 years. And here’s the icing on the cake: the book’s sold from the RSS headquarters complex in Gujarat!
The book, `The Tragic Story of Partition’ has unflattering references to Nehru and Patel. Seshadri clubs both and holds them responsible for partition, which is what Jaswant Singh has done in his book, `Jinnah: India, Independence, Partition’.
Excerpt from the book
“When the new Viceroy Lord Mountbatten announced on 3rd June 1947 the plan of transfer of power, it came as a stunning blow to the people. For that plan, approved by Nehru and Patel, had envisaged cutting up Bharat and creation of Pakistan! … The great and trusted leaders of Congress had turned their back on the sacred oaths they had taken, and the pledges they had administered to the people. What took place on the August 15-15, 1947, was this gross betrayal of the nation’s faith, the betrayal of the dreams of countless fighters and martyrs who had plunged into the fire of freedom struggle with the vision of Akhand Bharat in their hearts.”
So who is right about Patel? You or RSS approved book by Seshadri
Anonymous Reply:July 13th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
I believe VP Menon, who was the chief asst of Patel and who was instrumental in the integration of the princely states. he has written several books about meetings before partition, after partition, integration.
manohar_T Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 3:37 am
You said putting the country on unification course.
Unify what? How?
One morning a woman was walking out of her front door, when she notices a strange little man at the bottom of her garden.
“You’re a goblin,” she says, “I caught you and you owe me three wishes!”. So the goblin replies “OK, you caught me fair and square, what’s your first wish?”. The woman stops and thinks for a second, “I want a huge mansion to live in.”, goblins replies “OK, you’ve got it.”. Woman again thinks it over, “My second wish is a Mercedes.” “OK, you’ve got that too.” “My last wish is a million dollars!”. The goblin then says “OK, you’ve got it. But to make your wishes come true you have to have sex all night with me.” “OK then, if that’s what it takes…”
Next morning the little man wakes the woman up.
“Tell me,” says the man, “how old are you?”"I’m 27″, she replies
’strange’ said the man, “27 and you still believe in goblins”
Since Gujarat is a dry state, the latest movie, Cocktail will be released there
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 5:04 am
or as “murgipoonch”
Gujarati Muslim gave Rs 1 crore to Netaji
While Gujarati businessmen donated generously for Mahatma Gandhi’s non-violent freedom struggle, there were some who helped Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose’s Indian National Army.
A businessman from Dhoraji town of Saurashtra, Memon Abdul Habeeb Yusuf Marfani, donated almost his entire fortune of Rs 1 crore to the Indian National Army, a princely sum in those days.
Marfani is not the only Gujarati Muslim to have contributed to INA. Surat’s Ghulam Husein Mushtaq Randeri was the recruiting officer for the army. During the recent celebration of Bose’s birth centenary, Marfani’s grandson Yacoob Habeeb was felicitated in New Delhi for his ancestor’s action. However, these references were missing from chief minister Narendra Modi’s speech on the occasion last week, when he donned the INA cap and tried hard to establish the Gujarat connection with Bose.
Ravi Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 8:12 am
What possible reasons could Modi have had to pointedly ignore contributions made to the INA by Gujrati Muslims.
manohar_T Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 8:16 am
What an obvious question, which has an obvious answer. The operative word is ‘Muslim’.
Ravi Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 8:27 am
But I am given to believe that Muslims under Modi-Rule are prospering they no longer riot, etc.
manohar_T Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Gujaratis (irrespective of their religious persuasions) do not need Modi or anyone else to set up businesses, prosper and do well. “Dhandaa’ is in their DNA.
They tend make the best of the bad situation and the situation has been bad for Muslims since 2002, whatever the Modi’s apologists may claim.
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 8:42 am
One does’nt have need any reason to criticize Modi, he can always invent one. If Modi had mentioned the name of this
Gujarati businessman than this writer would have blamed
him for appeasement.
manohar_T Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 11:25 am
You are wrong. No one wanted him to mention ‘only’ the Muslim Gujaratis (that would have been appeasement). Also recall, earlier he had singled out ‘only’ the Muslim headgear.
Whether you wish to believe it or not, the RSS is anti-minorities to the core. Somewhere or the other – some action or some utterance – provides a confirmation of this on a regular basis. Modi is out and out steeped in RSS ideology. Make no mistake about it.
Whether you do not accept the above and continue to believe what you said (appeasement and all that sort of things), the minorities (20% of the electorate) and others are constantly being reminded of the true colours of the BJP (have no place for minorities, except on its non-negotiable terms). If the BJP (with Modi leading the charge) imagines that it still will be in a position to form the government at the centre the next time, they need to get different thinking caps.
Fine, do not ‘appease’ them, then do not make them feel unwanted either. Modi will continue to be under intense scrutiny, every action or utterance will be subject to microscopic inspection.
Trumpet Bengal or else…
Tourism minister’s threat to tour firms
The Mamata Banerjee government is worried that even the people of Bengal may no longer be interested in holidaying in the state, let alone outsiders.
And what does it intend doing about this? Take tour operators to task for offering a platter of holiday alternatives to wanderlust-struck Bengal tourists!
The organisers didn’t know whether to be embarrassed or angry. But there was no stopping Singh.
“If you are not helping small tour operators, the government would need to think whether to continue its support (to the fair)…. You should have invited small tour operators who could have interacted with the big companies. The small tour operators should have been given concessions (to set up stalls),” the tourism minister said.
Sanjiv Agarwal, the chief organiser of the fair, told Metro later: “It is a free market. How can a minister dictate people’s holiday preferences? I find the allegation of taking away Bengal tourists childish.”
Agarwal said his company had organised the three-day Travel and Tourism Fair by paying the government Rs 7 lakh a day for space and offering the tourism department stalls at Netaji Indoor stadium and Khudiram Anushilan Kendra at a subsidised rate.
The tourism boards of 10 countries, including Denmark, Thailand, Maldives and Bangladesh, and several states are participating in the fair.
“What impression of Bengal will these representatives carry back to their countries if this is the state’s attitude towards tourism? Nobody outside will take us seriously if we keep looking inward,” warned an organiser.
Bengal has, of course, failed to create destinations beyond Darjeeling, Digha and the Dooars. Even these places are plagued by infrastructure problems — bad roads, unorganised transport, poor hotels (barring a few exceptions) and the absence of professional assistance. Then there is frequent political unrest in swathes of north Bengal.
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 6:12 am
Bengal tourism department should learn from Gujarat.
manohar_T Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 7:18 am
Gujarat needs to learn a lot more from other states.
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Modi had once said that states should learn from other states by adopting the policies which have given positive results in other states.
Benoy and others
You had posted a link regarding ‘Confucian Constitution’ from the The New York Times. Here is look at it by Gautam Adhikari
Confucian Constitution or convenient confusion?
China’s intellectuals and their sympathisers have begun to peddle a bold new argument. They have started to hit international forums with the claim that China’s system of governance, based as it is on pillars of Confucian wisdom, is not just superior to the liberal democratic system, it actually has more legitimacy.
We discussed one such claim in this column on March 24. In The New York Times of July 11, Jiang Qing and Daniel A Bell argue the case for a ‘Confucian Constitution’ for China. The political future of China will be better served, they say, by a long-standing Confucian tradition of ‘humane authority’ than by multiparty elections. Democracy is a flawed ideal in their view. It has only one source of legitimacy, i.e. the sovereignty of the people; political Confucianism offers much more.
Confucian tradition asserts that political power must have three sources of legitimacy: The legitimacy of heaven; the legitimacy of earth; and the legitimacy of the human. Democracy merely serves that last source through popular elections.
Who, for instance, will have the privilege to decide the composition of the House of Exemplary Persons and the House of the Nation? Guess we can assume it will be the exclusive nine-member polit-buro that would continue to approve all such selections.
In other words, the proposed arrangement would in fact be a variation of the old Leninist concept of a Communist Party, composed of revolutionary intellectuals and their comrades, acting as the “vanguard of the proletariat” to look after the people’s interests until such time as the working class has matured to governing ability.
Second, any argument for benevolent authoritarianism assumes impartial and just benevolence at the top of the pyramid. Here’s a question: What if a comparatively benevolent Deng Xiaoping had not returned to power in the late 1970s and another paranoid megalomaniac like Mao had instead run riot once again over China?
Third, popular elections are a part of democracy, not the entire substance. Assured access to fundamental rights to life and liberty, including the right to free and fair trial and the right to dissent, for all citizens is what makes a democracy liberal.
Can a Confucian Constitution, that enables the practice of Humane Authority, guarantee such simple lower-case rights for its citizens?
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 7:59 am
I read that article. Peoples rights are protected in the system. They a re not talking about the Communist system or improvement to the communist system.
More later – have some “domestic” service to do
manohar_T Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
I will wait for your detailed rejoinder.
Ward Boys Can’t Be Doctors.
It’s been sometime since I visited Rajdeep
Sardesai’s Friday Blogbusters. The latest one is called “Don’t
play it safe”. I am quite impressed how he describes Salman
Khurshid. I call SK a smooth double talker, Rajdeep describes him thus:
“Salman Khurshid is easily among the brightest
politicians in the country: a former Oxford don, he became a union minister at
38. When he speaks, it is with a certain elegance and intellect that is all too
rare in public life today”. NO! You don’t get any prizes for guessing –
it’s about SK’s comment about Rahul Gandhi’s cameo.
Give me justice, or allow me to end my life, says acid attack victim Sonali
New Delhi: “Main bahut himmatwali thi (I had lots of guts)”, she says
looking at you with eyes reduced to unseeing opaque white mottled orbs and her
once-pretty face a mass of melted flesh. But acid attack victim Sonali Mukherjee
is still a fighter, as she battles all odds for justice.
She was fast
asleep on the terrace of her house in Dhanbad, Jharkhand, on the night of April
22, 2003, when she felt the burning liquid splashed on her – melting away the
flesh on her face, neck, the right part of her chest and lower torso… That
horrific acid attack on Mukherjee when she was barely 18 also ended her dreams
of a beautiful future.
“Meri zindagi khatam ho jayegi, pata nahin tha (My
life would finish, I did not know,” Mukherjee told IANS..
How the new Peter Principle caused Kingfisher’s downfall
A few years back I had booked a ticket on an early morning Kingfisher flight from Mumbai to Ranchi, or so I had thought. I came to realise I was on Kingfisher Red and not the full service Kingfisher only once I was inside the aircraft.
Sometime later I came to realise that several people I knew had had a similar experience. They had booked flights thinking they were on the Kingfisher full service, only to realise later that they were on Kingfisher Red.
The airline clarified that it was not their mistake but the mistake of the websites that did not make a distinction between Kingfisher Red and Kingfisher.
But the question that cropped up in my mind was this: why would Kingfisher, a premium-upmarket brand, want to dilute its positioning by associating itself with Kingfisher Red, which was essentially a low-cost airline.
The British economist John Kay calls this The New Peter’s Principle. The original Peter Principle essentially states that every person rises to his or her level of incompetence in a hierarchy. Simply put, as a person keeps getting promoted he is bound to be appointed to a job he is not good at. The same is the case with companies which keep buying and diversifying into different businesses, until they land up in a business they don’t really understand. And that drives them down.
Mallya was a victim of The New Peter Principle, his unrelated diversification into the airline business cost him dearly. The lack of focus has hurt Mallya’s core alcohol business as well and United Spirits is no longer India’s most profitable alcohol company. That tag now belongs to the Indian division of the French giant Pernod Ricard.
manohar_T Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 7:16 am
Kingfisher endgame: Mallya’s hold is now almost zero
Should we be calling Vijay Mallya the owner of sinking Kingfisher Airlines anymore? Consider the evidence to the contrary.
With debt of over Rs 7,500 crore, Mallya has pledged nearly 95 percent of his shareholdings in the airline to lenders. According to Business Standard, the total current market value of Kingfisher is Rs 960 crore, but Mallya owns only Rs 30 crore worth of shares that are unencumbered. This means his lenders are the real owners of the airline.
But now even the lenders are bailing out. On Monday, ICICI Bank announced that it had dumped its entire Rs 430 crore loans to Kingfisher in favour of Srei Infrastructure Finance at par – along with the collateral. The bank, which held 5.68 percent of Kingfisher’s shares through loan conversions, now holds about 3 percent. Other bank lenders apparently own around 21 percent. They may also be in a mood to bail out like ICICI Bank.
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 7:42 am
I am also part ‘owner’ of Kingfisher as I am holding 6000 shares of
manohar_T Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Therefore you will also get to keep the girls. Enjoy.
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 8:30 am
I will have to spend more money to keep them – provided I remain alive if my wife becomes aware of this – than what I paid for the shares.
manohar_T Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 8:31 am
Must your wife know?
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 8:39 am
In such cases the maximum one can keep his wife in dark
is for few hours only.
manohar_T Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Have fun for few hours. Something is better than nothing.
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 8:00 am
he gets to keep the girls
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 7:38 am
I agree that companies which keep buying and diversifying into different businesses, until they land up in a business they don’t really understand. And that drives them down. It is better to expand your own existing business which you understand and are able to manage properly.
Why are Jews so powerful and Muslims so powerless?
There are only 14 million Jews in the world; seven million in the Americas,
five million in Asia, two million in Europe and 100,000 in Africa. For every
single Jew in the world there are 100 Muslims. Yet, Jews are more than a hundred
times more powerful than all the Muslims put together. Ever wondered why?.——–Read on. Interesting article.
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 9:29 am
No other group other than Jews, has put all the factors of power and influence together – money, lobbying, education, leadership positions etc- to influence world approach to Israel. Israel gets away with murder mainly due to the jewish influence in the US Congress. As long as the US elections continue to skyrocket (read somewhere that Romney and Obama together will spend $2 billion on elections!), Jewish influence will remain strong because they are the only ones who will spend money for their “cause”.
They have made significant contributions to the scientific/artistic/intellectual horizons far greater than their share of the population. Emphasis on education, quest for knowledge, spirit of competitiveness etc helped here. As you know Indians also value these premises, Indians have done well in science and arts, but of course in much lesser proportion to Jews. We say “vidya dhan sarva dhanal pradhan”, but in a typical Indian way try to short cut it by bribing examiners, or not having the right schools/colleges etc.
Islam had an elegant past; great philosophers and scientists and inventions were their forte too. Yazid Bistami, al- Muhasibi,al Farabi,Hayyan Tawhidi,Al Hamadhani, aL- hairiri, al- Muttnabbi, Ibn Qutayba, Abdal al abbar, Al Ghazali, Ibn Sina etc of those days did not have any “peers” in other western cultures at that time. Those were the days when Caliphs wanted other scholars – Jews, Christians, Budhists – to be in their courts and debate and argue about everything with constant modification and “upgrade” of Islamic thoughts and vision. Like in many other civilizational instances, this golden period ended when Mullahs took over after Gengis Khans descendents destroyed Baghdad in 1100s. They put an end to this “inquiry”, as they say in Islam, “closed the gates of etihad” – no more inquiry, no more exploration, Quran is it, Quran has everything a man needs.. It was in around 1200. Everything froze.. Many of them are still living in 1200s.
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Jews don’t let their religion come in their way of progress. Christians and Hindus are also doing the same. Once everyone realizes that religious books cannot provide all the answers and
path to prosperity is education, honesty and hard work than there be less fightings and killings in the name of religious differences.
Aaloke Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Scriptures have to be considered as GUIDE BOOKS and not RULE BOOKS. Unfortunately Muslims take their scripture as RULE BOOK when it does not even deserve to be a Guide Book .
Take this patient to ICU.
• Many private commercial health care establishments have touts in
villages who bring them patients against a commission. This was once recorded in
a sting operation in Hyderabad and reported by us to the State Medical Council
that did nothing about it.
• Unnecessary diagnostic tests (for prescribing which a doctor
gets commission from the diagnostic laboratory), surgical procedures and stay in
the hospital, are common practices resorted to by commercial hospitals.
• Payoffs to doctors for recommending a particular test to be done
in a particular diagnostic centre, or for recommending another doctor or
hospital, are rampant.
• There are also payoffs today to doctors in private hospitals.
For example, in a private hospital in Bhopal that was ostensibly set up to take
care of the gas disaster victims, Rs. 2.81 crore was paid to 30 doctors in the
hospital over and above their salary which was substantial, between 24.07.2010
and 31.01.2012, out of the money received from private patients, according to
the data provided by the hospital itself under the RTI Act.
Aamir Khan in Satyameva Jayate had raised few of the points which are mentioned in this article. Now, will the doctors threaten to sue this news paperas they had threatened Aamir Khan.
The Supreme Court last week quashed the CBI’s
first information report (FIR) against former Uttar Pradesh chief minister
Mayawati in the disproportionate assets case against her on technical grounds,
even pulling up the investigating agency for initiating such a probe without
specific directions from the court. Really?
Way back on September 19, 2003, the Supreme Court ordered the CBI to
investigate the Taj corridor scam. At the same time, the court further directed,
“(g) The CBI shall take appropriate steps for holding investigation against
the chief minister
Ms Mayawati and Nadeemuddin Siddiqui, former minister for
environment, UP and other officers involved;
(h) the I-T department is also directed to cooperate in further investigation
which is required to be carried out by the CBI;
(i) CBI would take into consideration all the relevant Acts i.e.
IPCc/Prevention of Corruption Act and the Water (Prevention and Control of
Pollution) Act, 1974 etc.”
Though the investigation into disproportionate assets was undertaken under
the nose of the Supreme Court for several years—the court had as far back as
2004 asked the CBI to complete its investigation within three months—and though
Mayawati’s petition challenging the CBI’s FIR had been dismissed in 2003 (that
order had become final), the Supreme Court allowed her fresh writ petition filed
directly in the Supreme Court several years later. It quashed the FIR and the
investigation which had been completed and which had turned up evidence of huge
disproportionate assets. Just because the court had not passed a specific order
asking the CBI to register the FIR in the disproportionate assets case! What
kind of signal has the court sent by this judgement? That the apex court will
use every available technicality to help powerful and influential corrupt public
servants to evade accountability?
Coming after the seminal 2G and CVC judgements which had shored up public
confidence and expectations from the judiciary, this decision comes as a severe
blow. It again underlines the importance of judicial accountability and the need
for an independent Judicial Conduct Commission.
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 9:30 am
All are in collusion..
AP Minister calling for “shooting” irresponsible IAS officials. Actually, a tough approach to bureaucracy is a good idea.
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
This has been the main problem of our country that peope don’t get punished. We have been hearing such things since many years but nothing really happens. Politicians and bureaucrats know how to manipulate the rules and they keep on fooling the public.
News at this hour.
1) Increase Hajj pilgrimage quota: Jayalalithaa
2) Pilots go on strike, Mallya says don’t ‘disgrace’ Kingfisher
3) Berth pangs push BSY camp to verge of split
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Jayalalitha asking for more Haj quota does not have anything to do with Haj Quota
it is just to snub her nemesis karunanidhi and belittle the Congress, and does not have anything to do with garnering Muslim votes.
She is articulating that the state does not get the quota it deserves based on Muslim population and applications. Karunanidhi never brought it up; so she gets one upon Karunanidhi. She gave it to him on the recent Lankan training issue. She is going to recite all these in the 2014 election.
I think it does not have anything to do with wooing the Muslim votes; most probably the side effect will be to weaken her small coalition partner, MMDK (Muslim Kazhakam), and cut them off.
Anonymous Reply:July 15th, 2012 at 6:39 am
I agree with you. This is definitely not what the congressi troll calls vote bank politics.
I would heartily welcome the state supporting the indigent Muslims undertake Haj yatra.
Vibrant Gujarat trips or tourism junkets?
July 12, 2012
I got an invitation, decided to go, and took along with me a Gujarati trader friend and an activist from Labor Party of Australia”, he told me, and my eagerness increased: “Who led the delegation?”
Neeraj replied “it was some Dash”, and I immediately identified the bureaucrat — principal secretary, water resources, Gujarat government, HK Dash. An amenable babu, he led one of the several business delegations which are currently abroad to do the propaganda job for Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi’s sixth Vibrant Gujarat investors’ summit, proposed in January 2013. One delegation has gone to the US and Canada. It is led by principal secretary, energy and petrochemicals, D Jagatheesa Pandian. Another, led by Modi’s additional principal secretary GC Murmu, is on a trip to South Africa and a few other African countries. One more delegation, led by S Jagadeesan, MD, Sardar Sarovar Narmada Nigam Ltd (SSNNL) will be going to UK, Belgium and the Netherlands after the Summer Olympics in London.
After telling me who all were part of the delegation – he said there was one SB Dangayach, the owner of Sintex which specializes in molded plastics, and another Rajiv Mohan of Waaree Energies, which is into sun energy – Neeraj seemed annoyed. “It was a bad show, poorly organized”, he told me. “Why do you have to waste money? Looked the fellows were on a tourism junket”, he declared, adding, “There were in all 15-16 persons. These included your seven-person delegation led by government official Dash, Indian consul-general Subhakant Behera and Australia-India Business Council president Ravi Bhatia. There were two Australian businessmen whom I couldn’t identify. There was no one from local Australian media.”
Neeraj further told me, “We saw a presentation with all the Modi hype, where we were told Gujarat’s annual growth rate was 12 per cent. Later, consultants PricewaterhouseCoopers man Mohd Athar, who was part of the delegation, told us it was 10 per cent. I was confused. Why this discrepancy? I asked Dash later if there was any impact of economic slowdown on Gujarat, and he was evasive. He just repeated what was there in the presentation – that Gujarat was the gateway of India’s economic growth. The consul general, who appeared to be a friend of Dash, wasn’t happy with the question.
During the roadshow, what particularly struck Neeraj was – the Indian delegation tried to present Gujarat as standing apart from the rest of India. He suggested that the comparison between Gujarat and India seemed “particularly odd” on a foreign land, and that it seemed as if India’s development was impossible without Gujarat. There were detailed slides on comparison between Gujarat and India, he told me, which seemed to indicate that Gujarat is more investment-friendly than the rest of Indian states. I, too, wondered: Should one take the current competition between Indian states – which reached a zenith when Modi weaned away the Nano car project from West Bengal, “defeating” other states – to a foreign land? I instantly remembered what Prof Eric Komarov, an A-class Indologist, predicted during my Moscow days more than two decades ago: “India is moving from federative to confederative stage.”
Begun in 2003 as an effort to, what many government officials say, “divert national and international attention from Gujarat riots of 2002”, the number of MoUs signed up keep rising by geometrical proportions with each summit. Begun with a humble Rs 63,000 crore worth of MoUs, the joke in Gandhinagar Sachivalaya is, at the current rate, it will reach Rs 51 lakh crore at the next summit, which is to take place in January 2013. This is half of India’s expected Gross Domestic Product in 2012-13!
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
What a journalist this gentleman Rajiv Shah. One of his friends tells him something and he believes it as a truth and writes an article. The only reason is because he wanted to criticize Gujarat government and Modi.
One moe article bashing Modi on hearsay.
manohar_T Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
I told you, Modi is under intense scrutiny.
By all means, dismiss the article – no issues. He is telling us what his friend told him about the roadshow (whether true or false is a different matter altogether) and has added his side to it.
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Yes, it is sad that news about “I was chatting, my friend joined my chat and told about an email his friend got……”
I get emails on Nigerian money shelved in a special lock box. I do not write about it and say there is lot of money in Nigeria being distributed.
Bad for TOI
manohar_T Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
What makes you think that his friend is telling lies and for what reasons? If you think he is, then dismiss the article.
Whether he used the chat mode or sent an email or any other medium does not effect the merit or demerit of his description of the roadshow.
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Are journalists not suppose to verify the facts.? I did not read
Rajiv Shah claiming that he has verified the authenticity of
what his friend told him. I am surprised that TOi allow such
articles to be published.
manohar_T Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
What is preventing anyone to disbelieve a description or a article? Damn Rajiv Shah, he is anti-Modi. He is just one of us.
TOI (and so do many other media houses) allows as many views as possible (variety is the spice and strength of free, liberal and democratic society). Even Tarun Vijay regularly writes on TOI – the stuff he writes is extreme communal in nature (it is, as he does on TV too) to the secularists or anti-RSS forces, but I have not come across any secularists demanding that TOI drop Tarun Vijay from its list of bloggers. It is always advantageous to know what the mindset of the ‘enemy’ is.
If you wish to to hear only ‘goody-goody’ stuff about Modi, then …..
Are there other reports available that a give another view of the roadshow? Perhaps, the Gujarat government website would.
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
I am surprised that you are defending this journalist. I have no problem if anyone writes his/her views on any subject, but
these are not the views of this journalist. Here he is reporting about a road show of which he came to know from one of his friends. It becomes a duty of a journalist to verify
the facts before reporting such things.
And I have repeatedly said that I have no problem what so ever if anyone is writing against Modi. Any public figure specially politicians are supposed to be criticized and Modi
is and should be criticized like any other politicians of the
manohar_T Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
You got it wrong. Did he hide the fact that he is relating what his friend (a journalist in his own right, not that it matters) told him over a chat programme and trying to palm off as a news report? No. Hence, keeping that in mind, let people make up their own minds about the authenticity of the description. It is one point of view – accept it or reject it.
BTW, Rajiv Shah is writing a blog and not reporting an event. Perhaps, some Australian newspapers and the media in Gujarat may have covered the event, a Google search should help.
Aaloke Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
I have read many of Tarun Vijay’s article. I have not found anything communal in his articles.However I may have missed something. Since you find his articles EXTREME COMMUNAL , can you share any such article which classifies as extreme communal.
manohar_T Reply:July 15th, 2012 at 5:15 am
Perhaps, my understanding as to constitutes communalism is different from yours. Go to TOI site and under blogs search for his contributions. If you do not find anything communal in his writings, so be it – I have no issues – it is your view.
In fact, two/three days back on NDTV, he made attempts to communalise the debate on the suggestion by Sharad Yadav of the HD(U) that temple/mosque/church funds be utilized for the welfare of people, instead of being allowed to lie idle. Tarun Vijay sought to make a clear distinction between Hindu temples and Muslim/Christian places of worship.
Anonymous Reply:July 15th, 2012 at 6:31 am
for this congressi troll, the very name of Tarun Vijay is communal and anybody writing any trash against Modi is God’s own truth.
Anonymous Reply:July 15th, 2012 at 6:22 am
Anything against Modi must be true and need no verification as to its authenticity. And Times Of India is first to publish such ‘news’.
Anonymous Reply:July 15th, 2012 at 6:18 am
very good, interesting response.
You get the principal, no need to get interest.
Actually, those who write against Modi or ‘expose’ him on his various frauds, are all telling the truth, including the congress Shankaracharya.
Peter’s House Is Broken
The meek shall inherit the earth? Not if the Church has its way.
The Catholic church is an ancient monolith and has been in the game of power, wealth, cadre- and institution-building for so long that nothing can change it except its own perceptions of survival. It is an inflexible iron-frame with a cold sense of history that can rebuff its enemies with a bizarre patience. At the same time, it is also a highly malleable—almost amoebic—system that bends to the times with strategies so subtle that they remain invisible for centuries. It is the canniest self-perpetuating bureaucracy of the world. That is how it has withstood the turbulent forces of history ever since Emperor Constantine transformed it into the master of the Roman Empire in AD 313 through the Edict of Milan. One signature made the underdog top dog. The Church has never looked back.
It survived the tempestuous challenge of Martin Luther and the Reformation. Its expertise in conducting immense and long-standing wars is simply mind-boggling. The Crusades are just one example. It emerged unscathed from the second world war thanks to the notorious neutrality it maintained with the two horrendous dictators: Hitler and Mussolini. In fact, few remember today that the papal state of Vatican City was granted to the Church by Mussolini in return for its acceptance of fascist authority.
The point is, the Church is a tough nut to crack. It remains doubtful if it can be reformed even if the Pope were inclined to try. Because, its empire is today flung far across continents, nations, cultures and civilisations, and there are the machinations of countless vested interests at work. The Pope might be able to ensure that the cardinal principles of faith remain uniform and sacrosanct. But even that is not easy. For instance, saints deposed by the Vatican years ago are still venerated in Kerala. The Kerala church finds them useful. As for celibacy, if a priest gives it up, what can the Church do? Next to nothing.
The Church can be reformed only from the inside because it is a closed and closely guarded system—and afforded further protection by its minority status under the Indian Constitution. The Church’s most consistent critic in Kerala, Joseph Pulikunnel, calls for all church assets—thought to be worth a few billions—to be transferred to the laity. But his is a utopian dream. For, the laity are no saints. They are, on the other hand, congenital sinners! And they have more use for money than the priests!
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
There are many church orders – Syrian Catholics, Syrian Orthodox, Malankara, jacobites, Latin Catholics, RC etc and all are sitting on tonnes of money.
Secular Govt has taken over Hindu temples such as Guruvayoor, Sabarimalai, and all other money making temples; there was a proposal to take over the church property – it was dead on arrival; and nobody would even dare to talk about taking over Waqf properties. That is secularism in India
manohar_T Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Why blame only secular governments alone? Your ‘Hindutva god’ – Modi- had also passed a law and under pressure repealed it, keeping in view the elections in December. Now, what say? Does that make Modi a ’secular’ person by his first act of enactment and ‘communal’ with second act of repealing it?
Govt bows to pressure, will scrap trust ActFeb 09 2012
Amid mounting pressure from various religious bodies and leaders, the state government on Wednesday decided to repeal the controversial Gujarat Public Trust Act 2011 in order to avoid direct confrontation with powerful trusts in this election year.
A tug of war had started between the government and powerful religious trusts, VHP, Swaminarayan sect and other religious bodies and even NGOs over the issue of implementation of the new Act.
One of the loudest criticisms came from Dwarka Sharda Peeth Shankaracharya Swarupanand Saraswati, who led a group of Hindu and Jain saints to oppose the Act. He had threatened the government with “serious consequences” if the Act was not withdrawn.
The sadhus had passed a resolution for its withdrawal. Saraswati had once stood beside Modi at one of his Sadbhavana Mission fasts, but later termed the fast mission as “‘meaningless”. He had said that Modi, on one hand, refused caps from Muslim leaders, and, on the other hand, tried to clip wings of Hindu institutions and temples through this Act. Another godman, Chaitanya Shambhu Maharaj from Ahmedabad, had said, ‘’If saints can help to form governments, they can also topple them.”
Under the Act, the government had announced to constitute Gujarat Public Trusts Tribunals with powers to hear appeals against the charity commissioner. The move was aimed at putting a check on sale of trusts for tax evasion and money laundering in the name of trust activity.
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
These are apples and oranges..
Modis stuff was trying to bring public trusts under govt control – all public trusts, be it hindu, Chrostian, Muslim.
Whereas the Kerala example (which your original outlook article referred to) and in ALL other states, only Hindu temples are under the Government and no other religiosu institutions or properties. Tirupati is under AP govt, while Delhi Jama Masjid or Mount Mary or Mahim churches cannot be touched.
The temple take over was started under the great destroyer Nehru (not deliberately, his heart was in bringing India up), with his (in)famous H(indu)CRE act of 1951 – another unfinished business like the Hindu Family Act (he thought he will bring all Hindus under one civil code for marriage/divorce/inheritance etc, and then bring in other religious groups)
manohar_T Reply:July 15th, 2012 at 4:39 am
1) How many temples are ‘under’ Government control? How many temples are there In India? Can you provide the details?
B) Some reading for you and then if you wish we can discuss this further.
1) History of two major temples. You can Google for others too, if you wish.
Devaswom boards in Kerala
Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams
3) Numerous mosques fall under the control of Wakf Boards (central and State), whose chairperson is the Minister of Wakfs at the centre or the state as the case may be.
4) I believe there is a church in Goa, which is owned by the State Government and is managed by the Indian Navy. There may be other cases across India. Perhaps, you (a Christian) should be able to provide more information on this.
5) Somnath Temple
Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi has been appointed a trustee of the Somnath Temple trust of which managing trustee is former Chief Minister Keshubhai Patel while senior BJP leader L K Advani is another trustee.
Besides Modi, former chief secretary of Gujarat P K Laheri has also been appointed a trustee of the prestigious temple board.
** You should have no problem with this whatsoever, afterall Modi cannot be wrong by any stretch of imagination. Right?
shekhar gandotra Reply:July 15th, 2012 at 5:50 am
What about conversion? When HIndu get covnerted… everyone sing secular manatara. When other get covnerted to hindu dharma… everyone cry murder of minority.
So what happen when 6 muslim boys become Christain in Kashmir. Why big bawaal? Farooq Abdualla– Mufit-mirwiaz-syed ali shah all cry police police jail jail mruder murder for poor Christian priest.
Anonymous Reply:July 15th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Most of the temples of india are under govt control..be it kerala Devaswam Board (a Govt appointed board /chairman under The Secretary of Hindu religious Endowments) or under Maharashtra Hindu religious endowments or Tirumala tirupati devastanmans (under AP Govt)or each and every other state government The money from all these temples are used/directed to other entities by Govt.
98% of all kerala temples are under the state Govt, including all the money making temples such as Guruvayor, Sabarimalai. The ones which are not under the govt are personal temples or temples run by trustees (such as Padmanabha Swami temple)
The money from Mosques and mosque properties (under Waqf Board) are used by the mosques as they please and not for anything else.
No church is owned by any government board.
Thananks to the destroyer Nehru and his 1951 HRCE .
manohar_T Reply:July 15th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
1) “Most of the temples of India are under govt control”.
2) “The money from all these temples are used/directed to other entities by Govt”.
Provide evidence and links.
Yes, indeed – Nehru was the destroyer. He neutralised all those who had ideas of establishing a non-liberal, non-democratic and fundamentalist system in India.
President to be elected by 141 murder, 6 rape accused.
The next President of India will be chosen by the electoral college which
includes 141 murder accused, six alleged rapists and 90 members charged with
kidnapping, reports Vicky Nanjappa
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Actually it is a bit unfair to Pranab da.
The previous president, if anybody had asked her, would have been happy that so many reputed murderers, rapists, rowdies and cheats were electing her, because she herself was a murder-accused.
Papu asked his grandpa : Do you still have sex with granny?
Grandpa : Yes, but only oral.
Papu : What is oral ?
Grandpa : I say f….k you and she says f…k you too.
Gowhati molestation case is another debasing incident along with a string of incidents against women, girls, some of them of minor age.
Gowhati witnessed a gang rape of a minor girl – nobody did anything to prevent; it was few minutes away from the secretariat, police took 30 minutes to reach.
Obviously many criminals do not have fear of retribution – so politicians steal, men rape minor girls, bureaucrats divert funds to their personal kitties…They all know court case will take for ever, and in the end they will be let go for want of evidence.
I will support Congress bringing in Sharia law selectively – like bring in public execution in this gang rape case –theer is nothing barbaric about it .
Congress will solidify their voting block. At least, in this case, the aftermath will be good for the society
Anonymous Reply:July 14th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
It was not a rape, the girl was molested. I saw the video about a hour ago. It was horrible, a y