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One more time vijay khanna validates my impression of indian education system , IT IS ROTE LEARNING, students mug , don’t appreciate or understand. It is breathtakingly stupid to bring in the analogy of nawab of najafgarh .To be honest , THERE WAS NO DOUBT ABOUT HIS GENIUS, THE DAY HE ARRIVED IN TEST CRICKET.A little FACT.sehwag has scored 8000+ runs in all ODI’s THE ENTIRE ENGLISH CRICKET TEAM HAS SCORED 10000 in the same period.Sehwag has scored MORE CENTURIES than the ENTIRE ENGLISH TEAM PUT TOGETHER, and MORE BOUNDARIES AND SIXES THAN THE ENTIRE ENGLISH TEAM IN THE SAME PERIOD.
Will Lokpal stop POWER THEFT IN DELHI , a world beater in this art.
will lokpal increase agricultural production.
ALSO LOKPAL AND ITS RETINUE , WILL THEY LAND FROM PLANET MARS , OR WOULD THEY BE LIKE THE EX BANK MANAGER FROM KONKAN OR THE BUILDER FROM MG ROAD
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 7:55 am
To the fake doctor from Sonagachi
How much as I hate using the expression on a pleasant Tuesday morning… I guess I have to in reply to ur outpourings.
The Lokpal is just one more step in becoming a more complete democracy. Not the end all. When Babus fear the danda and the ppoliticians fear that a big brother is watching their bank accounts– less Chandan Basus, Quatrochchis and Rajas will happen.
All successfull enterprises have clarity of thought on what they want to achieve. Fleming may not have gone on his discovery of Penicillin in case he had dismissed the culture formation as accidental. Charles Darwin would have rather believed Noah’s ark– in case he did not have self confidence.
I think you should appreciate that to be pioneers you need stubborness. You can never be 100% correct. Even 25% is a huge break forward.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 8:24 am
As MOhan has pointed out, the Lokpal is for remioving corruption. Now in case we get in so many other issues like why it will not increase agriculture production… I think we may well blame the President of India for the lack of rain last year !
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
I hope you are still feeding your
beautiful dog whiskey soked bread.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 8:35 am
Shaan Nirad Babu,
the only reason, to my mind, for your obsession with ‘power theft’ is you are psychologically suffering from being powerless in front of your nurses, who flaunt their ‘wares’ tantalisingly before you, knowing your ‘inability’.
Take my advice: take two chamach chyawan praash every morning mixed with a half spoon of cinnamon powder and one chamach honey. In three months’ time you will be like a bull in a China shop. Guaranteed!
shekhar gandotra Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 8:38 am
Really funny. But who is this shan by the way? Must have riled u to come up with this one…
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 10:03 am
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 8:44 am
Thanks for the tip about chawan praash. (: (:
Now I know what Mr. N D Tiwari and
Mr. Silvio Berlusconi used to take.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Mohan, Shekhar, Vijay Kumar,
the Kapil Sibal syndrome is affecting the moderator disabling his critical faculties.
Prahlad has never been offensive, yet his comment went under the hammer.
I wrote a remedy for Shaan Nirad Babu’s dysfunctional sexctivity, by prescribing a combination of Chyawanprash, cinnamon and honey, all the three of which are beneficial to the humankind, yet it faced the censor’s “kainchi”!
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Is that what you need now, to become a bull in your GARMENT FACTORY
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Are there any cows in there?
What is this Jan lokpal presented by team Anna suppose to do ?
Is it suppose to increase the production of agriculture ?
Is it suppose to build underversities in small towns ?
Is it suppose to give jobs to unemployed people ?
Is it suppose to help financialy the people from BPL like NREGA ?
As far as I understand this is suppose to investigate and punish if found guilty the
people who are corrupt against whom complain are made.
The frustration of the people now is that they have to bribe from peon to officer in almost every department of the government to get their job done and there is no
proper department where such compains can be lodged. Hopefully if few
corrupt babus are caught and punished we may see some change.
Anna team has never claimed that this is a panacea and will eradicate the
corruption completely from the society. They say that this Lokpal will bring
down the corruption level by 40-50 pct. It will not happen in one day or one month
or one year. Any new law takes time to have an effect. Lets wait and watch.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 8:12 am
Absolutely right !
This red herring of LokPal not producing electircity or lok pal not increasing fishing OR not resulting in cheaper daroo is used by trolls to obfuscate
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 8:33 am
I am 100% in favour of any Lokpal if it reduces the price of Daru.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
You naughty boy.
We should agitate and demand that an institution be created called Darupal, who will ensure that the price of the hooch gets reduced.
What an idea sirjee. I would love that.
Ravi Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
I reccomend we brew our own.
BREW YOUR OWN PAL
If some one creates a JAMUN wine, reserve a case for me.
For desert wine CHIKU should be good. MUSCHIKAT
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
I din’t know you were fond of ‘country’ stuff.
Ravi Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
Not had any since I was a teenager, these days I am just a social drinker.
I drink mainly Bitter and Red wine.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
We call the group Bacchus Gang and we will draft Jan Darupal bill.
One of the provisions would be special lower prices for Mohanrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
when you demand the post of darupal, the dwarpal will throw you out.
They were not paying respects to the martyrs as they dont care for them. While paying homage
this is what almost everybody said “” Thank god we were not killed “”
Great Comparison Vijay. Instead of blaming this Lok Pal– which has not happened till date– for all the problems of India since indepndence– we could well learn from Shewag and just go for it !
Yes… Osamaji ke liye respect. Parliament martyrs ke liye….. kuch nahin..
There is a shrotage of 20000 officers alone in the army and coupled with the ranks, it is about 1,50,000.
Taking into account the shortage of staff in the police forces and other security forces, the total security staff is about 3,50,000 all over India.
This means that there are vacancies and the state is ready to employ this many people in order to take care of the security of the country.
But, some trolls here are cribbing about recruting 35000 staff to man the anti-corruption set up. WHAT A TWISTED DUMB, ARGUMENT!
There is, in every organisation, independent, fearless set-up called inspection & vigilance department, besides the internal audit, which acts as the hawk’s eye. What Anna is proposing is only an enlargement of the vigilance system for government departments. Why should the congress oppose the act, if it has nothing to hide and nothing to gain?
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Whatever money spent on creating this Lokpal will be less left in the
government coffers for politicians to loot.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 10:40 am
I am all for the Jan Lokpal.
With all due respect, the issue here is not the number of people we need to man – it is their character. What should be the mechanism to find enough number of people with impeccable character and how do we ensure that these people do not become a liability (as another corrupt officials)?
I am not suggesting that all of us are corrupt and hence this institution is definitely going to fail even if it comes to existence. However, looking at the enormity of the task at hand (i.e. number of people it is supposed to cover), I haven’t seen anyone explaining how the so-called suitable lokayukts can be found and then kept in check?
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
I see your point. But, having closely interacted with thousands of babus and some legislators too, over the last four decades, I can say with fulll responsibility, there are more honest babus than dishonest and corrupt. The same holds true for legislators.
In organisations like banks and LIC etc, the corrupt may be just around 10%, the same as in the private sector. A vast majority of them are not lured by the get-rich-quick prospect.
This is the existing situation.
It is also not impossible to find enough honest and even committed employees to man the organisation.
And once the law is in place guaranteeing exemplary punishment, the corrupt can be tackled by putting the fear of God in their hearts.
actually, you are weak in history department and also selective in remembering. It is not Anna who is misusing Gandhi’s name.
It is Sonia Ghandy and Rahul Ghandy who have all these years misused Gandhi’s name.
Take a little walk back into the history of Firoze Ghandy’s back ground and how he came to be called a Gandhi. I am sure, the knowledge will make you understand the fact that Anna has never laid claim to the Gandhi name.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 9:12 am
In my opinion, we must have a combination of Lokpal and Lokayukt. It’s strange we are pushing Lokpal to achieve everything for us.
“Like Indian team expecting Kapil Dev to bowl all 50 overs…”
I think you are rightl. But it should be an independent body much like the supreme court. The CBI has long been corrupted by the politicains and acts only when the SC gives it a danda.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 9:20 am
There is no problem whether it is Lokpal or Lokayukt or combination of both. Anything which help catches the corrupt is welcome.
I dont have a problem even if they are called Sibalpal and Digayoukt.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Then it should be Digvianshyukt and Sibal-fake-birbal Pal
That was a good punch,
Arre Censor board… Prahlad just made an innocous comment. Please dont too inspired by Kapil Sibal..
~~~~ TROLLS BAJAAYE DHOL ~~~~ BHUM BHUM BOL ~~~~
All the trolls who had been predicting Bhoot– pareit– chudail–djinn because of Anna and the Jan LokPal have suddenly gone into silence.
Especially ever since even Vinod Sharma has taken a balanced stance and not gone hammer and tongs at team Anna. Ever since Brinda karat and Arun Jaitley and Bardhan and Sharad Yadav have shared the dias with Anna,
All those who invoked Khaki nicker- Anna– kali topi– anna– vande matram– anna— RSS– Anna — Modi modi rape rape– Anna— babri masjid demolition– jan Lokpal now emit a deathly silence.
Either they side up with what they call the honest team of Amar Singh Dahla– Digviash SIngh– Laulu Yadav — Yuvraj
they side up with us the people of India.
But they will keep quiet
Chodo yeh na puchcho….
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 11:41 am
Now Mayawati has come against corruption, clamouring that all should be included (may be except CMs!!!)… UPA will have a field day!
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Politicians are like weather vanes… they will judge the direction in which the wind is blowing… and want to ride the wind…
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Don’t you see that the politicians, aided by Anna’s team, are proposing to create an institution that will sink under its own weight by backing the proposal to include about 6 million Grade C employees. Then they can laugh all the way to wherever their ill-gotten wealth is stashed.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Are you serious? Till now I have only been seeing politicians delay the Lok Pal for 42 years. I think what you are telling me must be some secret news!
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
please show some sympathy and pity on this troll, because, as the congress party has capitulated, much against his wish and tall claims to the contrary, before Anna’s team, he is extremely angry and you know when people are angry, they lose their…………
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
Of course, I am very serious. This is no joking matter.
We can understand politicians insisting on to include the lower bureaucracy, one fails to understand as to why Anna’s gang insists ion it.
See my response to Ishwar in the earlier post yesterday.
There are supposed to be 35000 employees this Lokpal monster is t be staffed with. How many of them would be investigators and prosecutors? As an example let us say 15000. There are 6 million employees across the country. Presume half are corrupt – each investigator/prosecutor is supposed to follow up 200 cases simultaneously (as lower level corruption is an hourly affair). We will need super humans to be able to do so. You can do your calculations by changing the figures above.
Guys (those needing chawan prash or sidenifil and those who can without any chemical help)
Please answer me ,DOESN’T THERE EXISTS IN THIS COUNTRY A THING CALLED AUDITORS.Is it not their job to nab people doing HERA PHERI.
And what is CBI , CENTRAL BASKETBALL TEAM OF INDIA. Are they not supposed to nab the crooks. Remember the saying WHO WILL BELL THE CAT.
Remember the SHOR MACHOR about the animal feed GHOTALA in BIHAR , what happened , HAVEN’T SEEN A SINGLE GUY IN JAIL , sahabuddin is in , for MURDER.
India may EMULATE uk where is a SERIOUS CRIME OFFICE , AND A SERIOUS FRAUD OFFICE. But to give these organisation TEETH you need massive TECHNICAL (read computers and other james bond type gadgets) and LEGAL EXPERTISE.
BAKWAS AND NAAREY BAZI IS ONE THING RATIONAL ARGUMENT IS ANOTHER
the fundamental need is FREE FROM POLITICAL INTERFERENCE/AUTONOMY.
THE UK HER MAJESTY’S SERVANTS HAVE RATHER WELL DEVOLOPED DANGLY BITS , IN INDIAN CASE THEY ARE SHRIVELLED THUS BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO PLEASE THEIR POLITICAL MASTERS
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
There is no need for another bureaucratic set-up to act as deterrent. The existing institutions (CVC, CBI, etc.) and the laws & the rules governing them need to be tweaked. As I said, one will have to start worrying about the corruption in Lokpal. Yes, they have to be really freed from political interference.
Ishwar has raised a very valid point as to how do we find 35000 incorruptible personnel and make sure that they remain so to man this new monster on the horizon. No one seems to be addressing his concern.
Those who believe that this monster will reduce corruption are surely living in fool’s paradise. No one is discussing as to how to prevent or reduce the avenues for corruption in the first place. For example, electoral reforms to begin with.
naare-baazi and nautankis seems to be order of the day.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
Somehow we concur on the issue of incorruptible personnel – probably for the first time on this blog.
My concern goes a bit further. I would also like to see that none of the core-committee members get themselves a place in this proposed Jan Lokpal set up. This would mean that they are not fighting to get a super-cop status for themselves but for an institution.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Thomas is, according to Chidambaram and MMS, the right person, who can take care of half the corruption including 2G, CWG and Adarsh.
The remaining half, according to this troll, will be “taken care of” by the very honest CBI!
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
Agreement or disagreement. That is what debate is all about.
I am not sure whether you are aware of the original draft of the Jan Lokpal bill.
1) One of the provisions was that Nobel Laureates and Magsaysay award winners would be part of the committee to select Lokpals.
There are number of Magsaysay winners in Anna’s gang. …………………….
As an aside, Swapan Dasgupta had sarcastically wondered why not Presidents of the local Rotary and Lions Clubs be empaneled into the selection committee.
2) There was a specific proviso that NGOs be kept out of the purview of the Lokpal.
Need one say anything more.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
The problem with CBI is that it is controlled by the government.
Once it comes under Lokpal which will be an autonomous body
than CBI can conduct the investigations freely without any
interference from their political bosses. We will see more cases
being solved and people being punished without much delay.
Am I being too optimistic ?
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
Yes, Mohan, you are being over optimistic.
Whether the CBI will come under the Lokpal or not is a secondary issue. The primary concern whether this Lokpal will be effective or not to begin with. It is a ten crore rupee question.
See elsewhere here the concern raised by Ishwar about the integrity of the people staffing the Lokpal institution itself. Then how do you we ensure that CBI will all of a sudden will start coming out with flying colours, once it is under the Lokpal?
As I understand (I may be wrong) that investigation under law is supposed to be independent of any supervising authority – the Government, Judiciary or even Lokpal or whoever. In India, for example, when Judiciary orders a CBI or Police probe, it does not supervise or directs (how, when, who and where) the actual investigation. On completion, it can only raise questions and expect they be answered satisfactorily.
CBI. All parties in power have misused it. How do we make it autonomous? No easy answers. Can you think of any solution? Give it a constitutional status!!
BJP and Black Money
Advani had on Friday said that the lawmakers from his party had submitted a declaration, in which they mentioned that they had no black money stashed in any of banks situated in foreign countries. (ANI)
1) These declarations have been submitted to which authority?
2) Are these declarations certified by any statutory party such as auditors, tax officers?
3) Are we to also assume that this declaration also means that they do not have any black money stashed within the country?
4) What about party’s officer-bearers, who are not law-makers? Why no declarations (whatever may be their worth) from them?
When will we see the end of such nautankis?
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
a) to presiding officers of both Houses
b) which auditor would certify such a declaration
c) there is no reason to assume otherwise either
d) if anyone has any doubts on party’s office-bearers, the govt. should find this out by letting its tax-man after them
Don’t see any nautanki here…
Nautanki was Vaghela’s fast on the street not too long back.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Would you accept similar declarations from other lawmakers such as Mulayam Singh, Lalu Prasad, Jayalalitha, Mayawati, Rahul Gandhi, Sonia Gandhi and the Prime Minister?
Agree, Vaghela’s fast was a nautanki, so were fasts by others (no need to name them).
This one is surely a nautanki.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Do you seriously believe that Sonia doesn’t own a car?
Why do you counter every criticism of congress with criticism of BJP? We all know BJP is rotten but it doesn’t give Congress a license to loot this country. I know Congressis consider Dynasty divine but educated self-respecting Indians don’t. You have been very cleverly deflecting all the criticism by applying your biased logic. You may get support of Ravi (who also supports Islamic terror) but it won’t make Congress lilly white.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
The declaration is about just not having Black money abroad or having no black money at all ?
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
It is similar to a person saying that he has not committed any crime in Delhi (which may be or may not be true). Then are we assume that he has not committed any crime in Bombay either.
Ludicrous, to say the least.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Let Sonia or Rahul make any one of the declaration.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Sharad Pawar’s nautanki of declaring Rs. 12 crore was better than this.
And what to say about poor Ms. Sonia Gandhi’s declaration.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Absolutely, let the 2G’s make the same declaration regarding any money in foreign bank accounts in their own name or under some fake business/trust.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Officially she has not even a motor car.
She has, according to a chipkali on the wall of 10 Janpath, a secret cash account from which cash-for-vote MPs are purchased. Also, some of the trolls here get paid their monthly doles (in cash, of course).
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
As soon as you talk of Sonia and Rahul, Manohar and his Jehadi friend turn on the silent mode…typical congressi..
So you concede that this too is a nautanki – minus the matter of degree.
See my response to Ishwar below too.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Off course declaration is joke if no action is taken.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
1) Do you really expect the Presiding Officers to take any action on a declaration not required by law? It will be just filed.
2) Therefore, did Sarvashri L K Advani play a joke on the citizens or was he really serious thinking the citizens must be really stupid to …?
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
the sooner BJP gets rid of Advani, the better for them. It simply is becoming ridiculous.
BJP has a golden opportunity .. but they are not projecting a cleaner image, and not executing when they should.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Tell us in detail, your blueprint for the BJP which they should adopt and execute, so that it is taken more seriously.
See the drubbing they got in the municipal elections in Maharashtra.
My 99% were from Anna supporters. Not public in large. In fact 99% of our population is disempowered and the only ray of hope for them, to get their wrong/ correct work done, is bribery. They have also become immune to its harmful effects as the whole system has adjusted to this slow poison, hence, public is not responding to anticorruption movement in a way in which it should have. Anyway, even if I do not agree with everything Anna team does, the motive is magnificient. Living in west, everyday corruption I saw on my visit to India was shocking.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
I agree that the corruption in India is of elephantine proportions. We need to take measures to reduce it drastically.
Having said that my refrain and objections are to mechanism that is proposed to put in place to catch the offenders after the misdeed is done and I do not think it is going to work.
How about reforming the system itself – such as electoral funding to begin with?
Pankaj#1 Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
Really do not know. Wish, could come back and try my bit.
The trolls did not even get 10% of the seats.
Does this declaration by politicians help ?
All politicians are suppose to declare their assets to Election Commission.
Now EC does not have any power to check whether this declaration is correct.
IT department has the power and is suppose to check any disproportionate
amount/income declared. They will not act until they get permission from
the government. Will such permission be given ? This is where Lokpal – the body
under no control of government — might help. Lokpal will give that permission and
proper investigation will be done.
Again, am I being optimist ?
you have created some sort of history today, by getting your post flagged and then deleted. This has not happened even to the two jihadis here!
Ravi Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
It has happened to one Sanghi Bhanghi, before
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Please dont be casteist. using Bhangi in a deregatory manner is racist and speaks bad of the person using it.
Pankaj#1 Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
I have been castigated like this before. Some people, who claim to be Indians, are not sensitive enough to realize present day realities.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
go to pakistandefenceforum.com and search for word ‘Bhangi’, ‘Rat’…these terms are used by muslims to insult hindus. Ravi has successfully fooled Manohar but not everyone is fool like Manohar.
Pankaj#1 Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Manohar is too mature to be fooled by others but he some times feel isolated and forlorn hence takes help of anyone and everyone.
Anonymous Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 5:58 am
Pankaj ji, Vinoo,
there is more to it than mere feelings of being alone on this blog with not even Vinod Sharma coming to his help, as he used to do in earlier times.
It is that the congressies, including this troll, are always comfortable in the company of jihadis and the idea of jihad. Check it out from Rahul Gandhi’s definitive statement to the US ambassador about LeT and Hindu Right.
Therefore, this troll is in the company of fake Ravi and Ram Autar by design and voluntarily; not under force of circumstances.
Ravi Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
What do you think of me being called Jihadi by Shenoy for the last year or so. Often a dozen or so times in every new blog.
I don’t recall you ever objecting to that.
Here is an offer.
You condemn the persistent calling of Jihadi by Shenoy, and I will apologise in writing.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
Now wait and watch whether Double Standards and Doublespeak come into play or not.
Ravi Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
I am not expecting anything, but lets see what Vinoo says.
Previously, Balwinder, Dr Mishra and co have failed to respond to similar offers.
Anonymous Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 1:29 am
@ Manohar and Ravi
i have already said it. DOnt get excited.
Anonymous Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 1:28 am
I have not called you a jehadi. You sort that out with Shenoy.
Please remember that India is trying and rising above racist and castte prejudice. In this context using Bhangi in a deregatory manner is bad and racist.
In another context, people who are jehadis like to be called jehadis as in Pakistan. In case you were to go to Hafeez Saiyed’s seminary, the children would tell you that they are training to become jehadis.
SO in the Indian context, Bhangi is bad and hurtful language, While in the global context actual jehadis want to be known as jehadis…
Anonymous Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 5:51 am
thanks for putting the use of ‘jihadi’ in its perspective.
The fact of the matter is this name Ravi itself is fake, which is why I always name him fake Ravi.
As for his jihad, it is a bit sophisticated, adjusting itself to the standards of this blog and its bloggers, as also the purpose for which he has been assigned by the ISI, who also have provided him with a British dole card, wherefrom he collects his weekly dole.
He is here to badmouth Hindus and Hinduism and show India in bad light. His constant theme song used to be 5000 rapes of dalit women by caste Hindus in India on a daily basis.
Check it out from the earlier blogs.
After he was sternly advised by Vinod Sharma to desist from polluting his blog or else be expelled, like Ram Autar, he is now hiding himself under the cloak of sheep skin.
Ravi Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 6:03 am
You did not answer my question or accepted the offer I made.
Anonymous Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 5:42 am
you are a jihadi and will always remain so, ie. until the day you decide to blow yourself away as a suicide bomber. You may also have been a converted bhangi of Pakistani nationality, as Rajeev says.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
Bhangi word is no more used by Indians but it is a common term used in pakistani forums to insult Hindus.
Ravi Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
Bhangi now not used in India How true is that????
I am told that the word Bhangi has fallen into disuse in India but is still used as a term of abuse in Pakistan. Since I used the word, the implication is that it proves that I am a Pakistani.
So guys here is what I was able to muster just in 10 minutes.
1. Bhangi, scavenger in Indian society: marginality, identity, and politicization of the community…Dr. Rama Sharma……M.D. Publications Pvt. Ltd., 1 Jan 1995 – 268 pages…Study on various aspects of socioeconomic conditions of Bhangis, a caste of scavengers and sweepers, in Delhi So at least until 1995 it was sufficiently used so as to appear in the title of a book
2. Bhangi families given new lease of life
TNN Feb 9, 2011, 11.41am ISTHAVERI: For the people who carry out manual scavenging at Savanur, it is a dream come true. It was only five months ago that the Bhangi families took a filth bath in protest against the town municipal council (TMC) when they tried to evict them from their houses. This came as an eye-opener to the government and water resources minister Basavaraj Bommai handed over the record of rights for the new houses built for them under the Vajapayee housing scheme.
3. Sep 07, 2011 Report on rehabilitation of Bhangi members
BANGALORE: The High Court on Monday sought a status report in connection with the rehabilitation of the Bhangi community members in Savanur in Haveri district and ending the practice of carrying night soil.
The court had issued a notice on July 18 to three State Government officers, two City Municipal Council officers of Haveri and one officer of the Urban Development Department (UDD) for filing a false affidavit on the High Court order. They had submitted that the Bhangi community members had been rehabilitated. Read more
Source : ibnlive.in.com
SO MUCH FOR THE WORD NO LONGER IN USE
Anonymous Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 2:23 am
How many Indians living in urban areas use word ‘Bhangi’? Ravi should know that use of such words can land you in jail under Dalit atrocity act.
This terrorist has too much of pakistaniyat in him,
Please take a vote on this forum and find out how many people use Bhangi word in their day to day language. Even Congressi like Manohar will not use this word.
Anonymous Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 2:25 am
Read this..you son of converted Bhangi-
Anonymous Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 6:40 am
I agree with Rajeev. My brother in law
had to spend a night in a cell for calling
a person Bhangi till he got a bail next day.
He had to settle that case by paying some
money to the person he had called Bhangi.
And off course some money to police
That was about six years ago.
Many of my posts never appeared ! I am getting used to it.Perhaps my example of comparing Kapil Dev bowling all 50 overs in one day match to Lokpal covering all instances of corruptions in the country was not liked by the editorial team.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Try logging in through Google or Yahoo but not as guest.
this is by far the most balanced article coming from you.
I see some kind of implied regret at congress having lost a golden opportunity to adopt the anti-corruption platform as a part of its reforms. Particularly so, when some of the original jholawalas demanding the anti-corruption law were Sonia Gandhi’s own men (and women) like Nikhil Dey, Aruna Roy etc.
Perhaps, the corruption of the 2G, CWG and Adarsh was too much to handle, even for the veterans of the party of corruption. This, in my opinion, was the reason why congress couldn’t bring itself to take the lead.
It was morally incapable of even thinking of leading the crusade and gave a walk-over to Anna.
Various metrics are pointing to a big pullback to growth. “Managing” corruption (thru Lokpal or some other means; Lokpal seems to have won the argument; UPA fighting it will be fighting it at its own peril), faster resolution of civil cases etc along with many other actions are critically important to restore investor confidence and attract foreign capital.
The decline in industrial production is a “big” bad news. The rupee is the worst performing currency in Asia. It has declined 17% against the dollar (ya dollar with all the US problems!) this year. India’s annual financing requirement of $120 billion is the highest in Asia. The trade deficit for fiscal year ending March 2012 is forcasted to be $160 billion, from $104 billion a year ago. India, alone among BRIC, experienced a decline in foreign investment in 2010. The combine dinflow sof capital declined to $4billion in second quarter of 2011 from $$16 billion in the first quarter.
The rupee decline will reate major inflationary pressures; we import 3/4 of our oil needs.
The “opening” and “shutting” of FDI in retail adds to the already high level of concern.
While all parties have to share the blame, the ruling party because they are the “ruling party” has to shoulder the responsibility for the decline and the aftermaths.
Manmohan Singh is sadly is becoming a caricature of Bhishma of our mythology, a righteous man who became inept, eating the morsels of the evil kings, helplessly watching the disrobing of Draupadi, although he could have prevented Dushasan from disrobing the queen of Pandavas and he sister of DhrishtaDhymna, or even staking a claim to the land. Pretty soon he will become Dhritarashtra justifying all the evils.
What a fall for a man who helped us to be a phoenix –
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
As usual very good post. You have brilliantly connected with the characters from
Mahabharata. This decline of rupee has very badly affected my business also
As imports have become very expensive.
Anonymous Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 3:02 am
How very true, including your observation about the Prime Minister.
It is time now we have General Elections in the hope that better dispensation is put in place, because when it matters the electorate has risen and showed the politicians their places.
Government okays key anti-graft bills to counter Anna Hazare threat
The cabinet, at a meeting chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, approved the Judicial Standards and Accountability Bill, the Grievances Redressal Bill and the Whistleblowers’ Bill.
Now it is left to the parliament to take the final call
If that is true then it is absolutely awful and Libya should take it to International courts.
engrich Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 10:18 am
they have already gone.to finish war quicklly they were using wmd.even today ghaddafi has 80%approval rating.
False Propaganda..typical of Islamic societies.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Agree with you that this is false propaganda. However, I may not characterize as “typical of Islamic societies”, may be Islamic Govts.
The Lybian operation was only for a short term; Liby is a thinly populated country.. So engrich obviously is smoking the stuff given to him by Al Queda of Wherever.
While what happened in Iraq is bad, it will be wrong to say babies are affected by chemical bombs etc. Water supply, sanitary systems etc were decimated; and they are all contributing to a less than desirable living standard.
Does engrich complain about Syria’s Assad killing his own people?
Or Nazravi, the Hezabullah leader of Lebanese and other resistance in supporting Assad?
Ravi Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
May I suggest that you look at birth deformities post WWII, and Vietnam War.
No Islamic nations were involved in these wars but what you believe is entirely upto you.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
yes, Vietanam war and the bombing of Japn produced deformed babies. USA is responsible for that; and they did not have an issue in owning to that, although they will cloth it in world peace.
I did not say Islamic nations contributed to any chemical warfare.
What I said is neither in Lybia nor in Iraq, there was ever a situation of “scorch earth” actions like agent orange that killed the current population ad made the future population overwhelmingly deformed.
Ravi Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
As I said, you believe what you want to
engrich Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 8:28 am
Does engrich complain about Syria’s Assad killing his own people
it is lie things are other way around.al qaida salafis cia trained death squads and nato snipers are killing the innocents.alzajeera is their propaganda killing machine.
Anonymous Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 6:43 am
It is a propaganda, otherwise this new would have made a
headline here n Dubai.
engrich Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 8:25 am
read fallujah iraq on internet.dubai papers were publishing this.india media is controlled by zoinists the were hiding this.in libya they did same ,even on ghaddafi convoy.they were using oxygemn bomb absorbing oxygen of 12 sq km.
engrich Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 8:20 am
When you own a big chunk of the bloody Third World, the babies just come with the scenery.”
- Pretenders, “Middle of the Road”
On November 24, 2011, while many of the more privileged humans on Planet Earth marked Thanksgiving—with or without a dead turkey, with or without awareness of the near-extermination of the indigenous population—a US-taxpayer subsidized air strike in southern Afghanistan killed seven civilians. Six of them were children.
The Afghani kids who’ve so far avoided death-by-drone are hardly better off. A decade after the illegal and immoral US-led invasion, Afghanistan has the highest infant mortality rate in the world—257 deaths per 1,000 live births—while 70% of the population lacks access to clean water.
Meanwhile, in Pakistan, it’s been found that one in seven US drone strikes result in a child fatality.
And we have the balls to wonder: Why do they hate us?
Madeleine Albright sez: “The United States is good. We try to do our best everywhere.”
Ward Churchill sez: “Stop killing our kids, if you want your own to be safe.”
What’s that? You’re not killing anybody’s kids? Au contraire, mon ami…
With 54% of US tax dollars going to the military, the vast majority of Americans have contributed to enough murders to make Kissinger blush.
Exhibit A: The US-enforced sanctions imposed on Iraq from August 1990 and to November 2003—sanctions that were responsible at one point for the deaths of 300 Iraqi children a day.
Did the 1% (of either party) flinch at such carnage?
On the May 12, 1996 edition of 60 Minutes, then US Ambassador to the UN Madeleine Albright had the following exchange with Leslie Stahl:
Stahl: “We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And—and you know, is the price worth it?”
Albright: “I think this is a very hard choice but the price—we think the price is worth it.”
Shortly afterwards, noted liberal savoir Bill Clinton named Albright as his Secretary of State. In the world of the 1%, killing brown children by the hundreds of thousands, it seems, is a real boost for the resume.
Howard Zinn sez: “I wonder how the foreign policies of the United States would look if we wiped out the national boundaries of the world, at least in our minds, and thought of all children everywhere as our own.”
It’s not just foreign policy, Howie.
Whether the figurehead calls himself Republican or Democrat, US hegemony and corporate imperialism has helped cultivate and sustain a global culture that produces hunger-related numbers like this:
Under-nutrition contributes to five million deaths of children under five each year in developing countries.
One out of four children—roughly 146 million—in developing countries is underweight
More than 70% of the world’s underweight children (aged five or less) live in just 10 countries, with more than 50% located in South Asia alone
10.9 million children under five die in developing countries each year. Malnutrition and hunger-related diseases cause 60% of the deaths
Overall, somewhere between 25,000 and 30,000 children under the age of five die each day from preventable causes.
Neil Young sez: “There’s one more kid that will never go to school, never get to fall in love, never get to be cool.”
So, where do you stand on all this? Do you block it out or does it keep you up at night? Do you want to live in a society where children are made to suffer and die so that 1% of humanity can accumulate vast material wealth? If not, why aren’t you fighting back?
You may think the Occupy protesters are unwashed or lazy but they’re fighting for those kids.
You may think this is not your fight or believe you don’t have the time or energy to get involved. You may have even convinced yourself that time is not running out.
You just might expect an elected official to do the fighting for you.
Well, the latest liberal savoir, Barack Obama, made his position quite clear on the day he was sworn into office: “We will not apologize for our way of life, nor will we waver in its defense.”
We must make our position equally as clear. We must also refuse to apologize for the changes we seek, for the justice we demand, for the children we wish to save.
We must never apologize for our way of life…nor can we ever again waver in its defense. It’s now or never…
Arundhati Roy sez: “Once you see it, you can’t un-see it. And once you’ve seen it, keeping quiet, saying nothing, becomes as political an act as speaking out. There’s no innocence. Either way, you’re accountable.”
Please open our eyes and see and if you can’t find a reason to fight for yourself, then just do it for the children.
We are the 99%. Expect us. Join us…
#OccupyParticipation. #OccupyEndurance. #Occupy4Children.
Mickey Z. is the author of 11 books, most recently the novel Darker Shade of Green. Until the laws are changed or the power runs out, he can be found on an obscure website called Facebook.
Congressis are happy that Govt. has okayed key anti-graft bills to COUNTER Anna Hazare’s THREAT…
Anna Hazare is threat but NAC is not..Sonia’s dictatorial attitude is not..Rahul’s shallow utterances are not…
Congressis are devoid of any logic..All they want is absolute power to loot with NO THREAT..No wonder they feel comfortable in the lap of Jihadis.
Anonymous Reply:December 13th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Congress Govt, in its typical fashion, did not answer the cries for hanging Afzal Guru.-
The so called consitutionalists and the belieers in the supremacy of parliament decide not to do anything on the Jehadi who wanted to destroy the symbol of the supremacy of the people, the parliament.
They think they will upset Muslims if they hang Afzal. They just do not get it – how many more years it will take INDIAN Muslims to remove the guilt by association ..if Afzal is not executed for his crime, and just let be in prison, paroled after few years. They have one more hit in addition to causing partition!
Congress wants to perpetuate the taritor platform on which other political parties, maily BJP can thrive on, which Cogress can then use against them.
Rahul will speak glowimgly of including Muslims in OBC when he campaigns in UP … and he is supposed to be a product of the UK and US education system!
Read more about Bhangi word used in urban areas-
Name of an untouchable caste in India. Used as an insult by prejudiced people. Similar in context to the word nigger when used as an insult for a black person.
Come here, you bhangi!
Ideological brothers of Bhangi Ravi use word ‘Bhangi’ to insult Indians..
Look at these topics on Pakistan Forum. This SOB comes from same gutter..
Shan and Ashish
Mamata doesn’t represent much hope for Bengal
The people of West Bengal must be wondering whether in choosing Mamata Banerjee over the Left, they have jumped from the frying pan into the fire. …….
If you wish to live in a fool’s paradise – in spite of our track record in system and accountability of various departments, especially the law enforcement agencies in tackling corruption and crime – be my guest.
Are you aware of the idiom – locking the door after the horses have bolted? Does not seem so.
I forgive you for calling me a ******.
KARACHI POLICE GIVE MUKTHI TO 50 ‘BANDHUA’ CHILDREN IN MADRASA
RAHUL BABA SAYS LET MADRASAS GET MUKTHI FROM RTE!
Shoeb says:”Rahul will speak glowingly of including Muslims in OBC when he campaigns in UP … and he is supposed to be a product of the UK and US education system!”
Anonymous Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 6:51 am
Actully you both are slightly off the mark.
He is the product of UK and US MADRASSA education system.
Ravi is a Pakistani.
He had stated in Zia’s blog (before Ram Autar destroyed that blog) three items-
1) That he is a “Hindu” from Sialkot and the murderous Hindus there drove his family to India during the partition
2) In response to a diatribe from Ram Autar he stated that “they will never convert though they believe in multiple gods”
3) He stated US/UK deserve the terrorist/Jehadi suicide attacks because of “the crimes committed against us”
He and Ashish had exchanges on (1); Ravi mentioned that he was a little drunk, what he meant was murderous Muslims, and Ashish settled on that.
How this news is good for you. Is it because deformed children
are born ?
engrich Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 8:14 am
they are doing same with christian africans of sudan.sudan was peaceful country.since petrol was diovered,americans and europeans started paying and arming opposition groups.which created refugees.now they are supplying water and food water is mixed with uranium.thousands oftheir youth died.
from iraq even american soldiers are having deformed childrens.
use of depleted uranium is very often now like cluster bomb.
zoinist has programm to depopulate world.due to drone attacks 30%of tribal population is in hospitals with depression
due death of their family members..
engrich Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 10:15 am
it is satire but true.
Sorry missed your response and hence the delay in replying. Perhaps your posts were delayed because it was under moderation. See your others posts addressed to me – I have replied to some of them as I come across them.
“Can you outline a plan to reduce corruption – starting with say, a Step 1. Use the management measure of SMART – Specific, Measurable, Actionable, Time bound. I will become your follower and wont even call you a megalomaniac Awaiting your solution (no debates; only action)”.
I have articulated these some months ago here on this very blog.
1) State funding of Election Expenses of the candidates (will have to work out a system to keep the non-serious ones out – a matter of detail). This is the most important thing to be done. IMO, non-funding is the biggest cause of corruption.
2) Setting up National Police Commissions and State Police Commissions – to prevent political interference in their functioning. IIRC, an act has been passed, yet many states have not set them up or have made them toothless.
3) A law to bar candidates against whom court(s) have filed charge-sheets. Mere FIRs and police complaints will not suffice.
4) Total revamp of justice system – which has almost collapsed – by having more courts and judges. Today, a trial takes ages, many an alleged criminal/wrongdoer roams about freely and goes to the grave or to the funeral pyre without ever been convicted or absolved. Justice delayed is criminal.
Politicians like Sukhram and Shahabuddin are exceptions. Sanjay Dutt was convicted and was to spend about 4 to 5 years in jail. Soon he got bail -pending his appeal in the Supreme Court. That was ages ago and God alone knows when his case will come up for hearing – in the meantime he is roaming free. The system has to decide one way or the other on his guilt. However, remember in most cases, bail is a matter of right,
Trials must be time-bound and not allowed to drag on for decades.
5) Rework the provisions of immunity enjoyed by our elected representatives and the bureaucrats. No discretionary powers to the authorities. One has to take care of frivolous charges.
6) Appointments to the Government service on short term basis say 8 to 10 years at a time and not permanent until retirement, so that undesirable (corrupt) elements can be weeded out at regular intervals. You must be aware, now it is almost impossible to dismiss a government servant., however corrupt.
7) Decentralise powers at the District, Taluka, Municipal and Panchayat levels.
We collectively also have to do our bit too
a) are we ready to stop giving speed money to break the queues and resort to shortcuts or bribe the traffic cop to let you go cheaply.?
b) not vote for candidates with suspect credentials.
In this regard, RTI Act should be made more use of.
Yesterday, the Cabinet approved among others the Grievances Redressal Bill to tackle corruption at the lower levels and ensuring time-bound public service and now it is for the Parliament to take a call on it. Hopefully, this will help in curbing corruption where it hurts most to the common man directly on daily basis.
9) Amend and tweak a number of existing laws.
These are some of the measures which I believe that will help in reducing corruption. Perhaps you have more or better or alternate measures than I have listed. You can elaborate.
syria iraq and libya are not islamic regimes.
Who is Kejriwal? Who has given him the authority to dictate terms and think no end of himself? In short, who he think he is. This country is democratic – may be an imperfect one and is inhabited by 120 crores of people with equal rights and duties as him – there is no place for megalomaniacs like him.
Early this morning, UK time, I read your response, it did not disappoint me. I got what Manohar predicted and I expected.
Here is my considered response.
I am glad that people in India are adopting politically correct language and the word Bhangi is now considered unacceptable. I wish that this enlightened behaviour had been extended to include restricted use of, other equally unacceptable, words such as Jihadi, T U R D, Hijra, etc.
Now I am sure that you know why I added those 3 words. These very words have been used ad-nauseous by both Shenoy and Vijay – BTW I never accused you of using any of these words.
I have never seen you raise an issue over the use these words.
I suggest that you look at the original post where I first used the word Bhangi. You will find that it was in response to the word Jihadi being used by Shenoy. The fact that you objected to my post and not to his, makes you out as a person who is partisan and therefore a biased referee.
Your response confirms what Manohar was expecting – double standards and double speak.
There are many people here, with whom I have ceased to interact, it has not stopped me blogging, which I continue to do just as I have done before. To that list now I add your name.
Why we should desist from using racist, casteist and religion hurting terms:
The internet is a free forum and I have no intention of becoming a Kapil Sibal or a Mrs Grundy. I have only taken objection to Ravi using the term “bhangi” in a derogatory manner and I maintain that it is bad, racist and casteist to do so.
Ravi in turn has threatened to boycott me. If that is so…. so be it. I would still request him to reconsider his remarks of using bhangi in a derogatory manner. Even Indian law prescribes a punishment for it.
Strangely he has asked for support from Manohar_T for it and seemingly got some support.
One lady/ gentleman called Engrish who keeps blurting brhmnsm like a robot even when the blog is about Dev Anand has not chosen to castigate Ravi. Engrish what is the use of pretending to be a Dalit sympathiser when you run away when the actual insults happened?
Ravi– the world has grown. India is breaking and has broken its caste shackles. Please dont try to put them back. Martin Luther King celeberated the word black and hated nigger. Learn from him
Please dont link it with ME trying to ban the word jehadi from this blog. The jehadis in Pakistan and in the armies of Jaish and LeT are proud to be jehadis. There is a difference here. Using bhangis to resurrect racism does not match that.
In case you were to apologise for your folly, you would have recovered the fall you have got in the eyes of the many bloggers here.
Ravi Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Ravi will bycott you not because you have raised an issue
BUT BECAUSE YOU RAISE IT IN A PARTISAN AND UNFAIR MANNER.
You do not obect to ****, JIHADI, or HIJRA.
N O A P O L O G Y O F F E R E D
Ideological brothers of Bhangi Ravi use word ‘Bhangi’ to insult Indians..
Anonymous Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Please read my reply above. I have explained to Vinoo why I have called a **** a ****, a four headed Hijra a four headed Hijra and a jehadi a jehadi.
Ravi Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 10:38 am
L O L
Anonymous Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Somewhere in the last blog you had pointed out your abhorrance for caste. Well even while we disparage the Pakistanis for trying to paiont us in a certain way, don’t you think you have fallen into the same trap by calling Ravi a bhangi– after all it is a sordid insulting word…
New 9/11 Eyewitness Evidence of Bombs at WTC
gopi see this.
punjabis should not call pakistanis as BHANGI,as they are thier blood brother.qualities of blood brother are more similar than religious brother.they are more near to lahoris than people of kerala.
Nice elaborate post. Yes I agree with you that we need to push for equality of man, eradictaion of racist and casteist barriers and refrain from insulting any particular religion as a whole (certain inhuman or violent beliefs can be insulted), even when we debate and fight on the net.
Vinoo you are new to this blog so let me guide you out a bit.
This Engrich is a fraud who comes here has a Dalit, a Sikh, a HIndu and a Muslim. His job is to speak ill of India and hindus as a Sikh, A dalit, a Christian and a Muslim so that fissures between Hindus and Sikhs, Hindus and Christians, Hindus and Muslims start appearing. That is why I call him a four headed Hijra.
Not all and in my view less than 5% Muslims share his hate filled views, but like the fundoos of Pakistan who have managed to set the agenda– he is trying his best to light fires here. That is why I call him a Jehadi ****.
As for Ravi, you can judge for yourself. At times I engage with him. At others, I am so sorely disappointed– that I have to pull the rug below him. He sems to be encouraging Engrich autar Tajendra in the agenda of disparaging India. You were so disgusted with him on his using the term Bhangi. Well, check out the last blog, where he pretended to be a friend of the underclass JUST becasue some journos from India had filed a report damnign India in the NYT.
As long as he can damage the idea of India– he seems happy…
“btw there was an interesting new about Modi criticizing BJP for the billboards put out by BJP in Surat ridiculing Sonia and Rahul. I wonder whether his recent outreach to Pawar is an attempt to build a regional powerhouse party”.
I am at a loss at the moment to think as to what are the reasons behind his frown. Perhaps after an hour so, I will post my thoughts.
In the meantime, will we see such decency on this blog and do not see any swear /derogatory words that are tossed around at the drop of a hat.
What can one say anything more about Advani. Perhaps, he is only trying to make himself relevant.
His adjournment motion has been defeated and the Government has given reasons as to why it cannot release the names.
Anonymous Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
One of the reason Mr.Mukharjee has given for not releasing the names is that
people will withdraw the money when they see their names published.
Are they naive that they will keep their money even after reading such news?
And, what had happened to that 19-20 people whose
names were released by a bank in Luxemburg.
They were just charged certain amount of tax –
similar to VDIS scheme which came in nineties -
and the balance amount left became official.
Anonymous Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
You are right that they are not naive.
1) The point, I think, the FM was making was that these 782 people and others do not know who is in the list – unless that info has been leaked (at a price) at one of the ends.
The other point to remember is that for many years now that Indians are allowed to transfer US$ 200000 per year per person – no questions asked. All the funds in these “suspect” accounts may not be black. I am only guessing. Perhaps these 782 accounts must be all black.
2) Even if it is leaked and people may have transferred / withdrawn the funds, the info on certain date is sufficient to do whatever is to be done and also establish a trail in case of transfers.
3) About the seizures of undeclared income, for example those 19-20 people you mention, I am not a tax expert. My understanding is that the law of the land is that undeclared income will be taxed at the prevailing rates plus penalty and interest, provided it is proved that the money was indeed earned and not declared in India, hence tax not paid. One cannot seize the whole amount, unless it is proved by the tax and other enforcement authorities that it is stolen, extorted or acquired / laundered through other criminal means. There may be other factors to be taken into consideration, which I am not aware of. It may not be as simple as Advani has made out to be – just seize the amounts and prosecute the lot.
Perhaps, jailing those who evade taxes (like in US and other countries) may act as a deterrent. In such a case, a very large number of our elected representatives and businessmen will be behind bars.
Anonymous Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Evasion of tax is not a crime ?
Only pay penalty and interest.
No punishment. Honestly I dont know.
Is it correct that evasion of tax is not
punishable ? I mean jail, not a monetory punishment.
Anonymous Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
One will have to check the laws and the IT Act,
Maybe some tax and law expert can enlighten us.
ravi shan and mohanrr,i am really surprised how ill informed u people are about results of war which are being fought in middle eat to controll energy resources,
MEMBERSHIPSMore and more deformed Iraqi babies in Fallujah are blamed on White Phosphorous Part of channel(s): Iraq (current event)
Hundreds of deformed Iraqi babies in Fallujah are blamed on White Phosphorous.
Use of white phosphorus against enemy areas in Fallujah were reported as early as April 2004:
The boom kicked dust around the pit as they ran through the drill again and again, sending a mixture of burning white phosphorus and high explosives they call “shake ‘n’ bake” into a cluster of buildings where insurgents have been spotted all week.However, a State Department press release of December 2004 denied any use of phosphorus as a weapon:
U.S. forces have used [phosphorus shells] very sparingly in Fallujah, for illumination purposes. They were fired into the air to illuminate enemy positions at night, not at enemy fighters. General Peter Pace defended use of WP, declaring that WP munitions were a “legitimate tool of the military”, used to illuminate targets and create smokescreens, and that there were better weapons for killing people:
It is well within the law of war to use those weapons as they’re being used, for marking and for screening… A bullet goes through skin even faster than white phosphorus does” As U.S. forces pull out of Iraq, residents and officials in Falluja say they leave behind bullet-riddled homes, destroyed infrastructure and a worrying increase in birth defects and maladies in a city polluted by weapons and war chemicals.
Amir Hussain and Awfa Abdullah got married in Falluja in 2004 but their lives were turned upside by the birth of their two babies.
Their first child, a baby boy born in 2006, had brain damage and died last year. The second, a baby girl who was born in 2007, suffers from severe skin rashes and has one leg longer than the other.
“We’ve decided to stop having babies. We don’t want any more, because it means new suffering and a new battle against new diseases,” Hussain said. “It is our bad luck. Maybe because we got married in the wrong time and in the wrong place.”
Falluja, in the desert province of Anbar, served as a base for Iraqi fighters after the 2003 U.S.-led invasion, and witnessed two major conflicts in 2004. U.S. troops used overwhelming force, tanks, fighter jets and helicopter gunships to crush insurgents there.
Falluja’s residents await the U.S. withdrawal by year-end with a mixture of relief and fear that al Qaeda militants might return. Some are still seeking compensation for the suffering they endured.
At Falluja Hospital, pediatrician Samira al-Ani said the most insidious legacy of the war is seen every day in a startling increase in deformed newborns since 2005.
“Unfortunately, we don’t have documentation. But before the war, we used to receive two or three cases in a week,” said Ani, who has worked at the hospital since 1997. “On October 11 alone, we had 12 different types of deformed births.”
Fallujans tend to blame U.S. weapons for ailments that were not seen in the city before 2004. U.S. forces have admitted using white phosphorous, a chemical that can cause severe burns but is not legally considered a chemical weapon
Anonymous Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Do you wear high heels ?
engrich Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
salafis like hindutva were created by britishers to combat sufism.they are their agent.working for them.see what is happening in syria.before
I know Vinoo is not vindictive. My interactions with him are fine – though we do not seem to have agreed on anything so far.
One of the reason Mr.Mukharjee has given for not releasing the names is that
people will withdraw the money when they see their names published.
Are they naive that they will keep their money even after reading such news.
What do you call a person?
1. Who justifies Islamic terrorism?
2. Mourns death of Osama.
3. Supports Islamic terrorism in India.
4. Hates Hindus and call for their destruction.
engrich Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
rajiv find awnser of ur queries,1. Who justifies Islamic terrorism? the so called islamic terrorists are cia agent only found in the areas which america wants to control.in libya and now in syria they are fighting their wars.
2. Mourns death of Osama.can u tell why u hate ossama while he never hated india or hindus.he was the maoist of saudi arabia.suadis gave supari to americans to finnish him.they finished him.WHY U HATE SOMEBODY WHO DONT HATE U.THOUGH i did not mourn his death as well.he was part of problem not solution.
3. Supports Islamic terrorism in India.india is in grip of brhmncl terrorism not muslim.now even 90%kashmiris support indian rule..99%of indian muslim supports present democratic structure of india.
4. Hates Hindus and call for their destruction.islam has no place for hate as we have conversion.where there is no conversion people hate each other as they cannot be one.
tell me from where u got this information that we hate hindus.ramlila was started by nawab wajid ali shah of lucknow.
rss want to built ram mandir with sole purpose of igniting civil war between shiv bhakt and vishnu bhakts.ayodhya is headquarter of shivbhakts while lord rama is 8th avtar of lord vishnu.actually war has alredy started,shivbhakts have banned the entry of vhp rss goons in ayodhya.vishnubhts has to bring people from outside ayodhya to organizze rally.
I ,mentioned that by engaging the jehadi **** Engrich you are about to unload a garbage truck on this site which his ideological guru will justify.
See what has happend now
NO he has just been released from the madrassas for suicide bombers in Karachi.
Engrich autar tajendra… have a beer and dance bhangra… why try your attempt at somthing when your !Q is of a 5 yrs old??
Anonymous Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
IQ of 5 years old ? Dont give him so much credit .
THIS ONE IS FOR THOSE FEW VEGETARIANS ON THIS BLOG:
Anonymous Reply:December 14th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
We have regular family gathering where few of the members are veg.
Next time we will make this dish which both veg. and non veg. members
As usual nice one.
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 5:50 am
Married men like me are served too many “chillies” by our wives everyday and have already become chickens….
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 6:41 am
This for you and for all the husbands.
Pati : Darling, tum bahut khoobsurat hoti ja rahi ho.
Patni : Tumne saise jaana
Pati : Tumhe dekhkar rotiyan bhi ‘ jalne ‘ lagi hain.
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 6:59 am
Thx… I stick to resutraunt food now !
Pankaj#1 Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 7:07 am
How about the chyawanprash therapy?
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 7:49 am
Can u swear to the chwan prash efficiency?
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 11:29 am
in three months’ time, we will see how virile our fake degree holding doctor Shaan Nirad Babu will become froma position of ‘no power’.
~~~ THE FOLLOWING MAY WELL DROP THEIR PM AMBITIONS NOW~~~~
With the PM coming under the Lok Pal the following may well drop thier ambitions to become the PM for-ever
a) Yuvraj ( for the past baggage and brother in laws businesses)
b) Lalu-For fodder reasons and a thousand crore other
c) Mayawati for all the Maya
d) Jaya– the past can be dug up
e) DMK families– 2G and more
f)Amar, Mulayam and co. : Amar Singh dahla was never a serious contender. But he was a dahla and dahalas can buy anyting by supplying everything…. !!
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 5:12 am
you are right, the list looks like who is who of the Indian Corruption Theatre.
But,about yuvraj, besides what you have written, here is what the internet says:
Sonia’s son Rahul Gandhi, whose real name is Raul Vinci, got admitted to Harvard in quota but was thrown off soon because he was incompetent. He has italian citizenship since his mother never gave up her citizenship. He cannot officially become the citizen of india or any politician in india as long as he doesn’t give up his italian citizenship. Arrested in Boston airport for carrying 160,000 dollars cash, accompanied by Veronique (spanish). veronique is the daughter of Drug mafia leader. Rahul has also been accused for gang raping Sukanya Devi, whose petition to all courts in India have been rejected due to their political hold and the whereabouts of the family is unknown. However, the information is widely available online.
(about the last bit, I have my own doubts, because he has been known to be having different”tastes”).
Hanuman ji ne pahad utha lya thaa
Modi and the billboards
Just random thoughts
Perhaps the politicians have realised that smear campaigns do not pay dividends (as most common people must be appalled at the no-holds barred targeting). Recall the Sonia Gandhi’s infamous “maut-ka-saudagar’ description of Modi. Also Advani’s attacks on Dr. Manmohan Singh during 2009 General Elections.
Modi’s own forceful attempts to be befriend Nitish Kumar, who simply rebuffed him. Such tactics just boomerang. Moreover, it reflects badly on the attacker, who becomes a laughing stock. How low one can stoop. It pays to be civil and gentle in politics too. It is better to have friends (or be on cordial terms) across the political divide. You never know when they may turn to be useful. Pawar is a master in this regard.
It was a surprise to certain extent that Modi is upset and ordered the posters be removed, if you see this in tandem with his recent praise for Sharad Pawar. One may ask, what is he up to?
On one hand, there is nothing to it, except being civilised in political discourse and give credit where it is due. Remember, everything good in Gujarat was (is it still?) being attributed to him. It was Modi, Modi all the way. How long would people keep believing it.
On the other hand, he may realised that he must have reached a dead-end politically that is within the BJP and he needs to reinvent. himself to be acceptable to wider sections of the people. People would rather have a decent and cilvilised person to lead them rather than a rabble rouser with all the ugly paraphernalia in toe.
One man show is no show. He may also be testing the waters, (as you seem to suggest for a regional power house party), whether he has a political future outside of the RSS/BJP fold and go alone to have a better bargaining power when it would matter at the centre. As I see it, he has been sidelined (rightly or wrongly) in the BJP’s central scheme of things – they only praise him to the skies. He expectations must have been much higher. And of course, he has to bury the ghost of 2002 somehow, to be successful in whatever he is (secretly) planning, independent of the BJP (if at all he is planning something on these lines).
What do you think?
Better to start climbing now rather than later or never.
Civic polls: Anna Hazare stir has few takers in home district (Ahmednagar)
Total seats 173
Anna isolated: don’t rush lokpal bill, all parties tell govt
See new thread.
Now they are talking sense.
In sharp contrast to their public posturing at Jantar Mantar last Sunday, many opposition parties on Wednesday night asked the government behind closed doors not to bring the lokpal bill in haste and give an impression that the legislation was being finalised under duress.
Shiv Sena leader Anant Geete went to the extent of questioning the need for a lokpal. “We are opposed to a super power centre which will not be accountable to anyone. How can there be an institution above the Constitution?” he asked.
NDA convenor and Janata Dal (United) leader Sharad Yadav — who had assured Team Anna at Jantar Mantar that not even a comma or full stop would be changed from the sense of the House adopted on the lokpal — was the most vocal among the leaders who opposed the inclusion of the Prime Minister under the lokpal’s ambit.
RJD leader Lalu Prasad wanted to know from the UPA the extent to which they were willing to fight for the supremacy of Parliament in the wake of Hazare’s latest threat.
On the contentious issue of whether the CBI should be brought under the lokpal, BJP leader Sushma Swaraj set the tone, saying her party had “never said that the CBI should be under the lokpal”.
Swaraj said the CBI should be freed from the government’s control and an independent panel should appoint the probe agency’s director. This view was supported by majority of the parties.
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 8:47 am
When pointed out that some leaders have cautioned against rushing through the Bill, Bedi said, “Who are these parties? Not the BJP surely as Sushma Swaraj tweeted that they want it in this session. Are they managed voices, isolated voices?”.
Did she reveal more than intended?
Will be very difficult to find “honest’ politicians. Maybe the PM’s chair goes empty for five years !
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 7:04 am
For the PM’s gaddi, I have a simple solution, considering your doubt about getting an honest person for the job.
I suggest any party or combination can elect MMS as the dummy PM, because he has already has seven years’ experience as a dummy.
He will be non-controversial under any dispensation that comes to power in Delhi.
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 7:48 am
We can even keep a blank chair or a computer on the PM house. Everyone gives suggestions. The computer gives the answer
Thanks. Will go through this.
Stock markets declining. Rupee has depreciated by about 20% in few months
and now this is what Indian entrepeneurs are talking about India.
Where is India heading ?
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 9:39 am
The decline in industrial production, the huge fall of the rupee etc will decelerate the growth significantly.
I will discount Indians buying asset abroad. Part of it is diversification; part of it is a flight to “safety” in these definitely uncertain economic times all over, though I would have suspected them to dollar destinations than UK/Europe.
Indian growth/investment will continue if we have a functioning, relatively corruption free government (at central and state levels). We have to give the right signals too. MMS should not have announced the retail FDI without the proper consultation. We look totally immature to the world business community.
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Flight to safety is not a good sign. If this continues we may see a huge drop in
Stocks and decline of rupee, which will eventually lead to recession.,
Pankaj#1 Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Thanks for the link. It was a good read.
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Mohan and Gopi
Are our lawmakers worried as to what is happening, so busy they are in the shenanigans and their little games?
Where are we heading? Lord Desai in the Indian Express has indicated that we are going back (not heading) to Hindu Rate of Growth (3.5%).
Sharad Yadav farts and Anna gets shiver.
Anant Geete(who is he?) roars and Anna cowers in his kambal.
Anna forgets to eat his pills and also forgets to drink his milk.
Anna shivers in the Delhi cold and Ralegan-Siddi’s chill.
Anna loses sleep over Sibal’s jokepal bill.
Meanwhile, Kejriwal loses count of commas and semi-colons but gets the full stops right.
Black money in property dealing is rampant all over India. The place
where I come from, 90-95% is paid in cash for any property deal.
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 8:21 am
Tax evasion is rampant all over – income tax, excise duty, sales tax, property gains tax, etc.
The estimated amount 15 lac crores rupees (Vijay, please note – 15 followed by 12 zeroes * ), if it is true and there are no grounds to doubt the same – which is roughly three times the India’s annual petroleum import bill.
* The enormity of this amount can be gauged by the following
If one were to count one 100 rupee note per second, it will take 4756 years to count the lot.
What does it tell us? That we are as corrupt / cheats or more than our own politicians (they are one of us in any case). No wonder, corruption is never an issue with us when we go into the polling booth.
Now one may ask, why don’t the tax authorities do anything about it? It is the lack of sufficient number of personnel and infrastructure (it may have to be increased 10 fold or some such figure). With computerisation and with more electronic / plastic transfers, the system can be made more efficient / transparent and more tax can be collected – it is work-in-progress.
With more collections, the tax rates can be reduced. Or the other way around reduce taxes and hope people will become more honest – in the past this may have worked only marginally.
About jailing the tax evaders, then may be we will need 2 to 3 crore jail cells. Do we have the money to build that many jails to house and feed such guests of our government?
Does the whole situation looks hopeless to you?
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 8:49 am
Are we corrupt by choice or because we do not have a choice.
Two shops in a same area doing a similar type of business.
One is honest, pays vat, income tax and all other taxes.
Another one does not pay all the taxes, so naturally he is
able to sell his goods at much cheaper prices than his
neighbour competitor. How long can this honest businessman
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
“Are we corrupt by choice or because we do not have a choice”.
I am still wondering.
The honest businessman perhaps moves to another location hoping that the competitor(s) there will be as honest as him.
The adjournment motion of yesterday on black money.
Was that a nautanki played jointly by the government and opposition.
This is the part of the article :
Under an understanding reached with the government earlier, the opposition did not press for a division of vote, in which each vote is counted. Doing so would have exposed the government’s majority on a crucial issue being debated in the country.
The opposition agreed to the government’s request of toning down the language of the adjournment motion by replacing “indictment” to “concern” over black money stashed away in foreign banks and also not to press for division of votes.
The opposition had been demanding a discussion on the black money issue through an adjournment motion and found it difficult to scale down its demand. At the same time, it did not want the government to be defeated and create political instability in the country, leading to an understanding to let the government emerge victorious.
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 8:26 am
Now you should realise how our netas across political parties play games. You will not find any snow whites.
Do you see similar games being played re: Lokpal bill, after the parties closed ranks yesterday?
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Yes u are right. As I have always said the only difference between congress and bjp
Is bada chor and chota chor. Thought we both do not agree on this, I think lokpal
Might help if not punishing at least stopping these people from looting.
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Agree to disagree with you on the effectiveness of the PeoplePal.
engrich Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Is Anna a true leader….? Many educated people are going behind him like a herd…! Anna Hazare is supported by (bribe giving) corporate and corporate media….! How can one support this corrupt person? By calling this corporate sponsored protest as another freedom struggle we all insulting the true freedom fighters of India……!
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
To me, Anna was made the face of the movement to get some “legitmacy” and/or a “face”. Perfectly legitimate. He probably did not realise what was in store. Starting (or pretending) to be crusaders against corruption, the movement has gone beyond it – politics and ???. Now that he is in there, he has to go along with it and perhaps has himself started believing he can really bring about a change the way our Government functions. Again, no issue there.
The original objective was/is great, plus they have brought about a sense of urgency among the lawmakers to do something about it. This is to be welcomed. Personally, of course, I do not believe the suggested remedy is going to work.
The problem has bean means and the subsequent discourse, which are highly questionable. Since August, if newspaper reports are to be believed, the movement has lost 30% of the support that it had in August. Not a day or hour passes without a fresh threat is issued.
One lady in the newspaper has said ‘From being corruption crusaders to taking a keen interest in Hisar polls, they simply want the laws to be made on the streets”.
As A B Bardhan of the CPI has correctly reminded the Kejriwal & Co., that they (K & Co) are not the only repository of wisdom.
Whether the movement is supported by corporates and the media, I have no idea or information, hence will not comment upon it. There is financial support, but I do not know who is providing it. Arvind Kejriwal was supposed to reveal the details of the finances of the movement. Has he?
The way they are going about it is certainly not second freedom struggle or a JP movement or whatever.
We will see what is in store, as we go along to the Anna’s deadline of 27th December.
engrich Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
mr manohar do u know,
2. Arvind Kejriwal: This former IIT student is being projected as next youth icon (next to/instead of Rahul!). Soon after getting a capitalists sponsored award he rose to prominence. Later he started a NGO called kabir. He is a key member in the Anna team. His NGO is said to have got donations from Ford foundation and several other unknown persons to the tune of 250,000 $. Till now the identity of the donors are not being disclosed in the organization’s official website. Here is an excerpt of the interview given by Arvind Kejriwal to THE HINDU on the donations received from outsiders. Arvind Kejriwal himself does not follow transparency in his own organization. But he is advocating transparency to the government?
THE HINDU: “Another of your NGOs, Kabir, received grants from the Ford Foundation (FF). According to the FF, Kabir received $172,000 in 2005 and $197,000 in 2008. The FF also sanctioned an “in-principle” grant of $200,000 for 2011, which you have not accepted so far. Why does Kabir not mention the FF and these specific details on its website
Guys,Since this blog has gone silent for some time, this is to cheer you up .
Having wife is a part of living
Having girl friend along with wife is art of living.
and this one
A person was carrying 3 babies in the train
The lady next to him asked ” Are they your babies ?”
” No. I own a condom factory and these are the customers complains. “
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 8:48 am
Why has it gone into a silent mode? Where are the usual suspects?
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 8:53 am
Is it because of the weather.? Even Anna is going to agitate
at Mumbai instead of Delhi due to cold. And, there must be
snowing in some parts of UK and USA.
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Looks like it is becoming foggier as we head along into the year 2012.
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 9:33 am
living with one wife is a matter of heart
having a girl friend on the side is an art
having two or more wives is smart
but, in all this, the most difficult part
is keeping blood flowing from the heart.
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Another difficult thing is how to stop money flowing from pocket, with constant desire of expensive gifts from wife at home
And girlfriend outside.
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
You really are a naughty boy – first daru, now girl friend in addition to wife. What else?
Are you by any chance holding the title of “Vice”-President in the Company?
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
In your case and age, the last line should read
Is keeping blood flowing to that PART
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
If you marry one woman
she will fight with you
But, if you marry two women
they will fight for you!
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
@ u r giving me food for thought…
Now BJP wants Chidambaram to resign because a newspaper has published something about him helping his former client. Lok Sabha was adjourned for 2 plus hours, Rajya Sabha for an hour because of the opposition disruption.
And you wonder why businessmen is losing confidence???
People are fed up with the parliament (hahahahah), politicians, government……
No wonder Modi criticized BJP…They are stooping too low.. Not better than Congress, not demonstrating real capabilities..May be they think the next election is already in their pocket.
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Yes it is a sorry affair of our parliament
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Modi criticising BJP! That is news.
Can you post the link or is it about the posters?
Manohar, aisa kartey hain- baithe rehtey hain ghar pe, let the treasury be looted.
Talk is cheap, crusade is not.
Kejriwaal, Anna busted their guts in hot Indian summer so YOUR younger generation can have future.
Who said they are perfect, they have their flaws. Have they stormed parlianent?
See Dec session of ECONOMIST – it mentions ANNA , not ManoharT or Amar Singh or Barkha Dutt or Digvijay
Talk is cheap, Manohar ji, sorry i am direct
I AM ANNA,
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
tussi great ho!
hitting the nail on the head koi aap se seekhen!!
Ravi Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
His own head more like
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
You are Anna , THE SAME INTELLECTUAL LEVEL of an ex HAWALDAR.
You are more than that , you are a dimwit bufoon ,a challa sikh , a KABUTERBAJ , your blog identity is Balls Bhondhu , sidekick of SMUG B mishra
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Shan what happened? Kuch gora sahab ne daant toh nahe diya? Suddenly out of the blue you have unleahed a torrent of abuse??
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
Poor Anna Hazare. Spare him. He has been sucked into the vortex by Kejriwal, Bedi, Sisodia & Co. and now unable to get out.
The sad and ironic thing is that they make a 74 year old man go on fast and they themselves add an ‘e’ to the word “fast’ – feast. You get the drift.
Ravi Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
Oh Shan ji, tusi dil noo bahut kush kar ditta.
You have blown Balwinder out of the water, you have cut him loose and he is drfiting in the outer space – like Major Tom.
The slight problem is that since his drift started the incidence of reporting UFOs has increased exponentially.
Absolutely correct balwinder
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Sorry to tell you this. Either you cannot read and understand or do not wish to read. So let me try and put my view in simpler terms – point by point, which I have articulated/repeated time and again for the past several months.
1) I am all for measures to reduce corruption.
2) I am against the creation of new institution of the Lokpal (as proposed by Government, Anna Hazare or whoever) – a monster in my opinion, as I firmly believe, it will a waste of time, tax payers’ money and efforts.
Now let me give you my reasons – again point by point. (If you care to read – please read my detailed response to AB yesterday as to what should be done to reduce corruption, just flip few pages of messages and you should find it).
a) This Lokpal will only look at corruption cases after the mischief or the loot has taken place, by that time it might too late. It is like trying to cure a disease and not prevent the disease.
b) It will be staffed by people from the same set and is there any guarantee that they (supposed to be 35000) will all be honest and more important stay honest (See my exchange with Ishwar in this regard) once they join this Lokpal? Or do you believe these employees are going to imported from planet Jupiter or Mars and would be white as snow?
c) If this Lokpal is not effective, as I believe it will be not, then what? Create a super Lokpal to look into the working of the Lokpal? If this super Lokpal also not effective, then should we summon God and say please save us?
3) I have my views on Kejriwal & the gang and I stand by every word I have said about them earlier. Agree, nobody is perfect, but then does it give them licence to threaten others? Who they think they are? This country is democratic (an imperfect one, if you like) and not some banana republic where Anna & his gang stand up and try to decide what is good for the country. Who has given them the ‘authority’ to do so? As long as they were crusading against corruption it was fine, after that (issuing deadlines and threats to fast, dabbling in politics – Hissar, etc.) not.
I can only hope that you have understood as to what I had to explain. Good luck.
Ravi Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
A balanced, considerate and scholarly response. A delight to read.
Anna Haters, please see this:
~~ ZARDARI RAN AWAY TO DUBAI AS ISI WANTED TO KILL HIM!! ~~~
Times now is showing a report that Zardari wanted his medical treatment in Dubai as he was sure that the S wing of the ISI which consists of jehadi turds would eliminate him in the hospital.
Who said that? NOT ME…
But Gilani !!
What a country !!
But it will never give up Masood Azhar, hafeez Saeed or ISI !!
Wah ! ! WAH !! WAAH !! Engrich ka desh Mahaan !!
PS: Mohan please take good care of Zardari in Dubai….
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Even I have heard the rumors that he may not go back.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 12:01 am
he has eaten the money of poors,looks difficult for hm to go back.did nothing for people of pakistan.moreover he is uae naional not pakistani.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 7:22 am
I had asked u earlier also. Can you please provide a link about zardari being
A UAE resident.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
The info about Zardari being a UAE national may not be true. He may however be holding a long term / permanent residential visa for UAE.
There are conflicting reports whether he is US citizen.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
I will be surprised if a president of a country will hold a permant residence visa of
@mahesh and Ravi (those who love film) and ManoharT and MohanR (with the presumption that may be also fim lovers)
Guys saw an Iranian Film called A SEPARATION by ASGAR FARHADI.
mind boggling film , won all the awards you can think of , OSCAR GOLDEN BEAR IN BERLIN. It made me feel ashamed that RANG DE BASANTI(a copy of Melbourne Boys) was sent to Oscar to compete with this film. SWABHIMAAN UP YOUR ARSE.
Also validates what i read in Aatish Taseer’s book STRANGER TO HISTORY.
Would you beleive there isa secret HARE KRISHNA SOCIETY in Iran where iranians congregate and perforn puja.
This may me more of an act of defiance against the KAFKAESQUE STATE.
also iranians like SUBCONTINENTAL MUSLIMS know in their heart of heart that ISLAM IS ALIEN TO THEIR SOUL, also this matter of HISTORICAL CONSCIOUSNESS, a little rewinding of memory button and ISLAM IS NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
Will try to get a copy of this movie. Tks.
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
Too many issues in one post. Let me see.
1) I am not much into films. Would check If I can hold of this movie, as you have strongly recommended it..
2) About Indian (read Hindi films) at the Oscars, it is a joke the type of films that are sent. The only real entry that stood a chance and lost out narrowly was Mother India way back in the 50s.
Now, as you must be aware that the films are selected by Film Federation of India, a body dominated by Bombay Hindi Film Producers. You will be surprised that not a single film of Satyajit Ray (leave alone masterpieces by others and in other regional languages) was ever selected and sent for Oscars by this nincompoop of a body and the American Academy was acutely aware of the injustice being done to India’s greatest film maker. In order to compensate, they flew down to Calcutta and presented him with an honorary Oscar to complete the picture from their side. If you go through the list of films sent to the Oscars (google would throw up such a list), it will like reading a horror of horror stories and you probably tear your hair out.
3) Other than Saudi Arabia, most other societies accepting Islam did not let go their earlier traditions and ways of life. Sufism, for example, if I am right originated in Iran and is prevalent in many countries. As you and others must be aware, the great scholar, founder of Indian classical music, Sufi saint – Amir Khusro was from Iran. The festival of Navroj (new year – 23rd March) is celebrated right across societies (including Muslims) from Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and perhaps some central Asian countries and also by Parsis. Also so many of the marriage customs (disapproved perhaps by the Wahabis) specific to Indian culture are still practised by Muslims across the sub-continent.
It has been told (not sure about its authenticity) that when India’s greatest singer Mohammad Rafi went for Haj in the early 70s, he was told there that music and singing was against the tenets of Islam. On his return, he seems to have stopped singing for sometime. Wiser and saner counsels seem to have prevailed in due course.
It is the protagonists of the Saudi brand of Islam, who are trying to tell the Muslims that theirs is the only way and attempting to enforce it. (BTW, in India we have a similar movement going on at the moment – saying our way and no other way or else …) . No wonder, renegades like the Taliban keep destroying Sufi shrines, banning music, dancing, films and anything that is not acceptable to wahhabism and salafism. Religion and Oil make a deadly combination, but crude one at that.
I am not at all surprised that there are adherents of Iskon in countries like Iran.
Religions have always been (and is being) misinterpreted and misused to gain power over the people – the ultimate intoxicant or an aphrodisiac if you like
Ravi Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Manohar and Dr Shan
I too would like to see the Iranian film recommended here.
I also believe that many desirable changes have taken place in the Indian Film Industry. There is now a viable and marginally flourishing Art House films coming out of India; Electric Moon, Dharvi, Pipli Live are some – top of my head – examples. One day it will be a film of this type that will win an international award. The only hurdle is that as India is progressing in this field then, so are some other countries previously not associated with good films.
Sufi – Manohar, is an Arabic word and not a Farsi one. It means WOOL. Even before Islam took root in the Middle East there were mendicants who tended to the spiritual needs of the Bedouins. These spiritualists wore a loose woollen garment, which during the cold desert nights kept them warm, that is why they were called Sufi’s.
But you are right that the Sufi tradition also flourished in Iran and Amir Khusro, Rumy, etc did originate from that part of the world.
As Catholicism was asserting itself in France, some sections of the persecuted Protestant community, such as the Huguenots went under ground and held their meetings secretly and prayed clandestinely. It would therefore not surprise me that small Hindu communities meet and pray secretly in Iran.
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
@Ravi, THERE ARE NO HINDU COMMUNITIES IN IRAN, the members of HARE KRISHNA SOCIETY are all indigenious MUSLIM IRANIANS, who do this as either an act of defiance or may be so disgusted with the MULLAHDOM ISLAM seek solace like the BEATLES GEORGE HARRISON did , donated his multimillion house LETCHWORTH HEATH near HERTFORDSHIRE, now named BHAKTIVEDANTA MANOR. He also named his son a hindu name DHANI, just like FORD CAR COMPANY , inheritor some ford jnr also converted to hinduism
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 10:33 am
How many Parsees are left in Iran. Most for them were forced to flee during
Khomeni’s regime. Are they welcome back now .?
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
You may be right that more good Indians films are being made. That is not the problem. Every year good and outstanding films have always been made in Hindi and other languages. The problem is the selection committee set up by the Film Federation. Money changes hand and wholly undeserving films get selected.
No Indian (except for the honorary Oscar for Ray) has ever won it for Indian film. Bhanu Athaiya for Gandhi and the host of people for The Slumdog Millionaire won it, but these were not or not exactly Indian films.
I believe, if Ray’s films had been sent regularly for Oscars, he would probably would have landed up with 6 to 7 Oscars. Perhaps some more would have been won by Indians, if outstanding films from Malayalam, Marathi and other cinemas been selected.
Ravi Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
engrich Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
It would therefore not surprise me that small Hindu communities meet and pray secretly in Iran
they are not hindu society.their hare krishna is different.but they do exist in iran and nearly ll central asian muslim countries.number are veryless hence they prefer to remain
Now u can get a talaq by SMS.
Anonymous Reply:December 15th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
Ludicrousness has its limits. What if some Moulvi tomorrow issues a fatwa against SMSs and cellphone itself?
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 9:48 am
kuchh hi dinon mein hum kahenge: divorce ke liye ek ishaara hi kaafi hai.
Team Anna downgrading Parliament: Bal Thackeray
The first point is look who is talking – a person who has shown scant respect for democratic discourse down the years. Goondagardi has been the weapon.
The second point is that he talking sense after a long time.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 7:21 am
Haste and Fast
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 7:24 am
Wrong to say Anna, his team are dictators: Hegde
A vulgar act seen today in NDTV.farmers in chandigarh throwing potato on the street and then running tractor over it. Amazing , this is a country where 50%of the population goes hungry to bed. THIS IS WHERE THE POLITICIANS NEED TO READ
WILLIAM BEVERIDGE’S BOOK “THE COST OF SOCIAL SECURITY”. if govt gave CASH in the way of unemployment benefit ,or old poor people , pension benefit, THIS WILL CREATE DEMAND and will find market for these potato.
ALSO HOW PERTINENT AND GLARINGLY OBVIOUS BECOMES THE USEFULNESS OF FDI IN RETAIL.
WALMART can mop up any produce and distribute it all over india.
THEN MUCH BETTER, JAIL BHARO MALAKI BY THE CLOWN ANNA TEAM
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 3:35 am
The opponents of the FDI in retail and other policies to give two hoots for the farmers and the potato.
The print edition of TOI has this news item. Only 50 odd MPs were present in the house to discuss farmer suicides and agrarian crisis. Need one say anything more.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 9:45 am
Shaan Nirad Babu,
getting remunerative prices is possible even without Walmart, who are in any case licensed to buy not more than 30% from Indian sources.
Last year the government, which had procured millions of tons of wheat directly from the farmers by paying attractive price, allowed the grain to rot. This again has nothing to do with FDI.
Even after 65 years of being a developing country, our government couldn’t care less about these losses.
Could not resist to post this link. People who blame India for its treatment of Dalits, think three times before opening their trap.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 7:38 am
Tks for the link. A good article.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 9:35 am
Heart warming article.
LONG LIVE INDIAN DEMOCRACY
LONG LIVE INDIAN SOCIETY
LONG LIVE INDIAN INCLUSIVENESS.
As much it is inspiring and heartwarming to know that there are hundreeds of dalit enterpreuners , the fact that they need to form an organisation called DALIT INDIAN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE , says a lot about the sclerotic indian society .WHEN WILL THIS SCOURGE OF CASTE VANISH FROM INDIA , JUST LIKE WHEN WILL RATIONALITY ENTER THE DISCOURSE ON ISLAM
Pankaj#1 Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 12:39 am
In last 65 years or so, Indian democracy has changed( Not completely, we have a long way to go) the social situation. It is work in progress. Think, this revolution has occured without bloodshed( Russians) and many societies are still struggling to bring forth this revolution.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 3:22 am
Shan and Pankaj
One of the causes of such sorry state of affairs is that many of the leaders who came up ‘fighting’ for the rights and dignity of their fellow dalits and other disadvantaged sections simply abandoned the cause once they established themselves and their cronies, as they got “busy” enriching themselves. Examples galore – Mayawati, Mulayam, Lalu, Paswan just to name a few. Perhaps, keeping their flock (as a vote bank) as it is, is a sure fire way of ruling the roost and keep “fighting” (actually only make noises on their behalf) for them.
Nitish Kumar is an exception. Can you think of other leaders like Nitish Kumar?
Pankaj#1 Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Kamraj Nadar comes to mind immediately. I believe he did not enrich himself despite of wielding considerable power.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Leaders of that generation were a class by themselves.
In fact, there are many instances of people from the advantageous sections genuinely taking up cudgels on the behalf of the poor and downtrodden and not making merry themselves.
Two recent examples, Medha Patkar (one may or may not agree with her discourse) and Sharad Joshi ( http://agricoop.nic.in/sharad.htm ) – former Indian Postal Service Officer.
In the last general elections, Lalu and Paswan were shown their places. This time may be it is the turn of Mayawati and Mulayam – we have to wait and watch.
Pankaj#1 Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 9:25 am
whatever the jihadi, fake Ravi may say denigrating Hindus, the undeniable fact is that dalits have made great strides all over India. May be, the development may be uneven, but the benefits accruing from reservations have made huge differences to their living standards and social status.
Pankaj#1 Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Thanks Shenoy Sahab. Given, that our situation is bad, but we have been working hard to ameliorate our situation to best of our capability. Neeyat main Khot nahin hai.
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 8:50 am
The scourge of discrimination, ostracism, physical abuse, etc. that is meted out to Dalits, on a daily basis, by upper caste Hindus is a centuries old practise. Last 65 years have indeed changed their plight a lot but that is restricted to urban areas as well as is a mere drop in the ocean.
In the same 65 years the African American’s – who prior to that lived in segregated communities – have produced 1 President, 2 Secretaries of state, and countless state governors, as a result of Gandhian style peaceful revolution.
To the above one can add peaceful integration and uplifting of Maoris in New Zealand, and the final dissolution and transfer of power in the Republic of South Africa.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 9:07 am
‘5000 daily rapes of dalit women by upper caste Hindus in India’ by any other name, repeated ad nauseam, ceases to horrify.
BECAUSE IT IS THE JIHADI’S TICKET TO ISI DOLE.
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 9:22 am
I stand by my estimates and the statement I made wrt to Dalit Rapes
Refuting and repeating them ad nauseas is just your childish obsession. You use it everytime you are beaten.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 9:32 am
We all know that you stand by your statement. In fact you have always stood by it. We also know that it is part of your jihadi agenda here to denigrate Hindus.
And by pointing out your jihadi agenda, you think I am beaten, so be it. But enlighten me as to who beat me and when, because this is among the first of my posts today, and this is also your first reposte to me!
ANd by saying that I am beaten, I am beaten?
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 9:37 am
You are a beaten man.
There was a time when you ruled this blog.
You are now just a chief abuser, and a joker.
last time you made any point, Henry the VIII was on the throne of England.
All you manage to contrubute is tittle tattle.
Shenoy beat Shenoy.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
You have really hit the nail on its head.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 9:22 am
obama has proved far obediet slave than ush.opened many wars.
ghandhi was coward not nonvoilent.he blessed indian army when they were goining to attack kashmir.advised churchill to withdraw aginst hitler.
under obama situation of blacks worsened.now half of america is poor.
what people want is upliftment and financial betterment notseat of power for few.like in india.golden temple was demolished under zail singh.
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 9:28 am
I dis-agree with you
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
i respect ur views but still i will blame ghandhi for the most of problems we are facing.he was chief recruiter of british army in india.then he was posing as messiah of non voilence.he personally promised ghaffar khan and maulana azad that pakistan will be created on his dead body.but supported creation of pakistan in congress working commitee.he was actually pushing the members to support pakistan.
Why it is risky for govt servants to work under the UPA regime?
When an inter-ministerial note on 2 G scam prepared by the PMO was brought out thru RTI , and it sought to point needle of suspicion at Chidambaram for not doing his duty to prevent the scam , it was blamed on Vini Mahajan a Jt Secy in the PMO for going beyond her brief although Pranab Mukerjea’s second letter reveals it was done at the behest of the PM.
Now some more misdeeds of the country’s Home Minister are tumbling out of the closet. Has this come out again due to his rivals within the govt? But the defence taken is the same. That the letter from the Home Ministry was written by a Director , without approval.
The political Masters of this government are not only corrupt , prone to misusing their powers to giive benefit to their friends and relatives but also do not hesitate in putting the blame on hapless govt servants.
When the PM and his senior Ministers seek to amend the laws , because as per their version , govt servants are hesitant to take decisions it is because of this prevarication on their part, and not the laws or the judiciary or the Press or the freedom to write on the internet.
Iranian movies used tobe very different in seventies during rule of shah.
In Dubai these movies were released – now Dubai also does not allow such movies -
Very bold where visuals of breast were very common – whether good or bad is person’s
Point of view- . After Khomeini took over, Iran changed completely. Along with other
Strick Islamic laws such movies were also banned.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 8:35 am
before khomeini iran was capital of prostitution hub of drug addicts and financial thieves.now hardy any iranian comes to work in gulf.before al cleaners were iranians now bangladeshis and india.
mohan check with any iranian about horors of fallujaf.he will tell u.if u dont know.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Do you seriously believe that there are no so-called vices in Iran or in other strict religious regimes? Not true.
Whichever regime has prohibited consumption of alcohol, it has had a serious (and more dangerous) problem of drugs. Such countries also suppress news and data about such problems from leaking out. Being authoritarian – the media is under gag orders. It is like – no news is good news.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
alchohol is banned in gujrat as well.in iran and pakistan lcohol is available to rich.regarding news and supression of media ,i dont see any difference.pak tv is almost banned in india so the zeetv in pakistan.
most of iranian channels are bnned in uk and america.vica versa.
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 3:11 am
It is wrong to ban alcohol in Gujarat too. It is only on paper. People still drink and enjoy themselves behind closed doors.
I missed the link earlier
Farcical to say the least.
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 8:36 am
The passing of such silly Fatwas is nothing new. Mad Mullahs have been passing such silly edicts for many a year. I remember a Fatwa against the wearing of Lipstick which was passed in the late 50s or early 60s.
The reason why they are gaining prominence in the NEWS is because an attempt is being made to demonise the mad mullahas – which is no bad thing – but let us not kid ourselves that such ludicrous pronouncements are anything new. Far from it.
Now let us see who tried to ban Indian girls from wearing Jeans, or for shops to stock St Valentines day cards, etc.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 11:41 am
So mad Mullahs can go on doing this nonsense because they have been doing it for so long?
These mad Mullahs are creating self exploding human bombs who explode on a daily basis in Pakistan, who exploded many times in India, and have been exploding over the western world last so many years.
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 11:57 am
Are you suggesting that Mad Mullahs should continue to issue Fatwas or are you insinuating that I am suggesting that.
All I did is provide a statement of fact and you had an instant fit over it.
If the Mad Mullahs have to change then that has to come from within Islam and not from Hindu Fundos venting their spleen here.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Nice post Mirza !
I think we Muslims are as good as anyone else on earth. Let us join hands with rest of humanity. I dont know why this idiot called Ravi wants to push us on the path of destruction.
We need to follow the path of Amir Khan or Abdul kalam. India is our home. Let us make our home better .
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
this Ravi is actually a fake. We believe-and we have proof- that he is an ISI plant on Vinod Sharma’s blog, to vitiate the already difficult relations between Hindu and Muslim societies in India.
Engirich was earlier Tajender, a Sikh, and earlier to that he was RamAutar, a Hindu. However, he was, whenever the honesty bug bites him between the thighs, honest enough to admit that he is a Pakistani Muslim, who cannot tolerate any comment about the quran and its prophet. But, he never minds insulting Hindus in the vilest manner, using abuse as his chief weapon.
BOTH FAKE RAVI AND ENGIRICH ARE BROTHERS-IN-ARMS.
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
Yet another scholarly incisive **** from a Saffron Terrorist.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
BOTH FAKE RAVI AND ENGIRICH ARE BROTHERS-IN-ARMS
why u are worried.
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
I dont know why this idiot called Ravi wants to push us on the path of destruction.
How did you work this out.
I will spare you the use of the word idiot this time, you repeat it I will slap you into the next generation.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
Please go ahead and slap and see the reaction. Who gave you the right to speak for Muslims, when all of us can speak for ourselves individually. Fatwas and dictates on others is bad, illegitmate, evil. period.
Dont try to confuse us by seeing that Christianity also has this and Hindus have that. You are not a Muslim. You do not understand the aspirations of young girls and boys which is being killed by dictates, mullhas and fatwas. Keep out of it, in case you dont have anything positive to say.
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
You abuse me again and a slap is guaranteed. The choice is yours.
The same person who gave me the permission to talk about other things permits me to talk about Muslims.
You are free to contradict me if I am wrong, I do not need yours or for that matter any one else’s permission.
Are you suggesting that ONLY Muslims are able to understand the aspirations of Muslims.
I do not confuse you. You confuse yourself because you allow abundance of emotion to cloud your judgement. This is self evident here.
What I said was positive, I have asked twice to cite where I have taken a negative view and twice you have ignored.
That speaks volumes about you.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
My friend you are making light of Fatwas and dictates which result in murder, butchery and terrorism. Thye result in Burkas and snatching of womens wrights and forced marriages. You tried to confuse this by equating it with thew shameful behaviour of local goons on Valentines day,
You are equating the murder of Gandhi with a gaali. Sorry, you are very confused yourself.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
this parvez looks to be an idiot and mad.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Dont try to confuse us by seeing that Christianity also has this and Hindus have that
parvez i am sure u are unaware of medieval history.billions of women were burnt alive through sati.when roop was killed shankaracharya supported the act.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
mirza i will say shut up.what this mullah has said is his personall opinion not fatwa.ignorance is bliss.
fatwa is issued by institution with the written agreement from council of recognized religious authorities.
he has the right to have his opinion like u have the right to reject him.such type of nonsense is periodically published to hurt muslims.
continous mayhem is must to have elevated class,full of money and loaded with rascism full of anti human feelins.
shankaracharya supported the the murder (sati)of roop kanwar.every community has some people like this.
but publishing about them again and again is the work of zoinist controlled media.they neither take rest nor give respite.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
There are loony elements and MCPs in all sections of societies. Double standards and doublespeak. In this case, one set of rules for men and other for women.
When we will see the back of the self appointed ‘guardians and moral policemen’ of the society and culture?
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
parvez what mullah is saying is advise.not compulsion.it is upto u to follow or reject.it is not fatwa.manohar_t dont understand our system..
use better language.i can use far worse for u.these stupidities are published in our media again and again,to malign muslims.
a country where 49%of woman are enemic and 26000 are burnt alive only in northern india,for not bringing enough dowry.talk of chastity can not be understood.
next time dont use foul language.u look immature
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
Who gave you the right to impose your system on me or my sister or any other Muslim? Balls to you. Dont try scare tactics to bulldoze Muslims into folowing a path of veiled destruction and clsoing the mind.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
advise is not imposition.either u dont understand the argument or u are mentally sick.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 9:12 am
as far as this mullah is advising to their women ,what is our problem..
fatwa is not valid till it comes from goup of mullahs from al azhar (1000year old seat of learning).this is only an advise used by capitalist media.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Bloody fool. Do you have the right over someone else’s body and mind. Neither does any mullah have a right over other people’s lives.
Get treated for detoxifying your mind.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
Whether valid or not – it is only giving a bad name to Islam. With Mullahs like these around, Muslims do not need enemies.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
only zoinist propaganda.they know till mullah and other religious heads are alive,spiritual enslavement of the race is not possible.
rabbais are thousand time time more religious than muslim maulvis,why they are silent about them.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
Are you trying to justify the mullahs by comparing them with rabbis? Wrong is wrong.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
why media is after mullahs only.mullahs are most reasonable.they should attack everybody.wearing or non wearing high heel shoes is non issue.in islam women is not marketable commodity.
caste is integral part of hinduism.can go if brhmnsm go.but we should accept this truth and work for a society where all castes are equal.we should not go for multicuturalism(zoinist game)where except them other loose their roots.situation is awful.NOW ADAYS IF U ARE NOT SLAVE OF AMERICAN FED, U ARE ENEMY DESERVED TO BE KILLED.like saddam and now ghaddafi.democracy is new matra.democracy is in our heart and mind.we are brainwashed for that .we should die for democracy.what democracy ultimately brings is a small group of people who rule majority.many wars are planned to bring democracy in happy small weak nations.
in term of accusations russia says many videos shown as images of russia is actually photos of greek protests.same they did in libya before.
we got perverts and addicts in power .petty evil system.japan was attacked in second world war because they refused to assimilate.demcracy creates a special class who consider themselve above human level.queen bee is born as normal bee but the way she is nurtured makes her queen.zoinists/brhmnsts are so proud of being jewish they divorce themsleve from being human.they elevate themselves to such a credenco that they become anti-human.
they are using deviants to run their societies for their own benfit..
but we cannot bring them down till we are intoxicated with liquor drugs and constant noise.
to keep society in mayhem is also absolute neccesary to have elevated class which is full of money and rascism.
here anna is fighting for lokpal a corporate agenda. in iraq they have made a law that all peasant will grow only genetically modified food.
so u can understand why all these mayhem and noise is being cfreated by american paid
ngos and anna hazare(naag devta).
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Very incoherent and meanignless post. Saddam and Gadaffi deserved what they got. Did they ever have free elections? Did their father give them the right to own a country forever?
Please dont defend the indefensible. Even if you, improve your language and sentence formation so that a post graduate like me can at least make head or tail fo what you are saying.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
saddam or ghaddafi were removed because of their opposition to american fed.they wanted oil trade in euro or gold currency.not in dollar which is worthlss piece of paper.
they are replaced by most relogious extremists communal islamists..who are ready to sell their country to americans and europeans.to understand me u have have to have prior knowledge of world affairs.ccountry is divided between shia sunni and kurds.
in iraq they atleast million and displace 3 millions.libya casuality figure is above 200000.now country is divided into tribes.each one is killing other.
they are after their interest not democracy.which is new mantra to destroy nations.
i hope u will understand it now.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Instead of fighting with all, we Muslims need to fight the Mullahs and dictators first. That is it.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
mullah dont yield any power.they are keeping our entity intact.mostly they are poor and workingamong poor and for poor.
muslims are not fighting anybody.antigod zoinists forces are attacking muslim countries because of natural resources in those countries.there is nothing religious in it.they did the same with others as well in past.
Manohar, I had addressed a brief post to you. It consisted of just 5 sentences.
You replid with 50, but did not address even one of my points. This is called “talking over”, the adult counterpart of a child putting his hands over his ears and shouting lalala.
In future, if possible, try and read posts intelligently before rushing in like a fool to repost what you have already bored us with 100 times. I am forcing debate, forcing you to THIINK.
There are many here, gentlemen, who aplaud my thoughts. You seem to get wah wah from 2 ppl who are blog rejects, that shud tell you something.
I liked your post below abt Nitish, thanks
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 9:20 am
congressies generally and this troll particularly have warped minds, closed ears and wide open mouths through which they harangue to the world.
In between two such performances they use the cavity to stuff with their feet.
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Another mindless contribution from a Sanghi
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Isn’t it obvious that it is a no-brainer?
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 11:06 am
THINKING AND BALLS BHONDHU aka bakwinder sandhu doesn’t go together
KABUTERBAJI , AND BUFOONERY DOES
First of all I am not here and expecting to get ‘waahs waahs’ from others.
Second your first sentence said it all and I responded accordingly. The rest did not merit any response.
Thirdly I always read any posts in detail before replying, others do not find it difficult to understand what I write.
Fourthly, if you think I am fool, be my guest and perhaps you should not be interacting with “fools” like me.
Fifthly, if others applaud your thoughts (keep count and celebrate), what are you expecting me to do? Applaud too?
Finally, you can refute and debate the points I have stated in my reply, which has upset you so much.
Ravi, fatwas cost lives of shias and ahmadiyas. And bombing of 1000 girl schools in Af/ Pak.
Agitating aganst valentine card is not even one millionth of that evil. I treat u with respect, but ghastily statements like yours below means our gabru jawaans like rajiv, rajeev, vijay, etc call you India hating pakistani. Thanks
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 9:16 am
Once again Balwinder you either did not read what I said, or chose to interpret it in the warped way that has now become your hall mark.
Mad Mullahs cost lives, FATWA is just a means.
You do not think that the secterial strife which is endemic in Islam can be blamed on a FATWA.
General public became aware of the word Fatwa only through Salman Rushdie. The Fatwa passed on him was by a Shia Ayatollah.
I think you should stay away from things that you do not understand.
Your gabru Jawans are nothing more than a deranged set of Hindu Fundos. I dont care what they call me.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Please dont tell Muslims what to do. Fatwas are bad for us. All modern Muslims admire Shabana Azmi and Sania Mirza. Both of them were castigated by the mad and violent fatwa brigade.
You are being truely idiotic and a bad wisher of Muslims if you say Fatwas are a minor issue. I used to feel so good when Muslim girls would come to Delhi University.
This would upset the fatwa brigade. What right does an illiterate idiot have over the rights of others?
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Everything is still on this page….so please point to me where have I suggested that, Fatwas are a minor issue..
Mad Mullahs issue Fatwas on everything ranging from lipstick and declaring the Ahemadi’s as non muslims.
I too support Shabana and Sania and all modernised muslims.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
Fatwas are bad for us
most of the fatwas are are good those who are procatical are rejected by community.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
there is no fatwa against shia .balwinder u are too ignorant to be here.
10000% true and I commend your clarity of thought
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 11:47 am
that was in response to manohar T
there is a tiny parsee community congined to one tiny geographical location called YAZD.
Also during the rule of shah abbas
,iranians adopted iraninan names like jamshed etc are expunged arabic names
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 11:50 am
the above was a response to a query by MohanR
This Anna is doing a good thing for all of India. Many anti-nationals try to give his efforts a communal color. I salute Anna and his team.
We need a secular and growing India. For this removing corruption is very very important. A lot of people think that they can fool Muslims by calling Anna communal.
Sorry brothers. I salute Anna.
Very gud example Mr Kumar
he is making the effort. Others are trying to give it a communal color to demolish it.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
vinoo instead of worrying about us better to look upon urslf.india is running the biggest brothels of the world.49%of our women are enemic.hundreds of thousands are burnt alive in domestic voilence.we dont have a single profesionally manged hospital.private hospitals are out of reach of common man.so the education..our society is made of drinkers and thieves.see even todays papers.full of scams news about prostitutes or porn actors.india has country of 3rd greedy thieves with any world standard philosopher thinker or scientists
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
DOnt worry! I have already stated it above. The fanatics who happen to
be Muslims always invoke prostitution, porno graphy and what not to scare our women into the Burqa and denying them rights.
Engrich, please be a modern Indian. Be proud of India or Pakistan ( as someone has pointed out). But most of all be proud of humanity. And yes be more cogent in your thoughts.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
he fanatics who happen to
be Muslims always invoke prostitution, porno graphy and what not to scare our women into the Burqa and denying them rights
u are either an idiot or a propagandist.what u wrote above is wrong and away from the facts.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
these two fakes, Ravi and engirich, besides their side kick, the congressie troll, are trying to paint you as a fake Muslim like they write here as fake Hindus.
It is my fervent appeal to Vinod Sharma to expel the fakes, so that genuine bloggers have uninhibited say here.
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
So once again the Hindu Fundo rises and starts a campaign to ban those that do not agree with him.
He then has the audacity to call himself as a secular democrat.
He is nothing more and nothing less than a RSS GOON sent here to derail the liberal agenda.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
If and only if wishes were horses, then pigs ……..
If and only If Vinod Sharma was an intolerant bigot, then ……….
BTW, the atmosphere here must be truly ’suffocating’ for some. I find it fresh and open, and really enjoy being here. Do you?
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
Countering bigotary is so refreshing. I love it.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
Absolutely right. Pakistan, the land of engrich is the place wherre Donkey Sex and camel sex is the rage… at least that is what google search engine shows.
You are right Parvez. I look forward to the day when others from the Muslim community join you in condemning the fatwa brigade and getting them into jail. Shaban and Sania are stellar examples of achievement all possible becasue fo freedom. They are many people on this blog who seem to have a hidden agenda or may try to confuse you as per their political preferences. Watch out !
1971 Pak surrender at Chittagong and exemplery conduct of Indian army : Pak major
This account appearted in tribune Pakistan today, by Pak army officer Shamsad Ali Khan who surrendered at Chiitagong to Indian army.
or – perhaps worst of all – forgotten.
Forty years on, I want the next generation to glimpse the event through a person who was part of it. I hope my story will help younger Pakistanis understand how human behaviour changes when circumstances change, how it took the war to end for me to truly understand it.
At 6am on December 17, 1971, I reached Cadet College Faujdarhat on the outskirts of Chittagong. All Pakistan Army officers had been ordered at midnight to gather at the college and lay down their arms.
Indian Army Brigadier Sindhu, who had led the occupation of Chittagong, acted gracefully and did not humiliate us, as was done in Dhaka where fighting had ceased the previous day. One reason for this could be that Pakistan Army Brigadier Taskeenudin, who was surrendering, had been his instructor at the Indian Military Academy before Partition.
I entered through the college’s main gate and saw Lt-Col. Ashiq, who was commander of the force deployed on Comilla-Chittagong Axis, pacing up and down outside the main office building.
I was ordered to get hold of three captains and immediately contact the leading Indian force commander on Comilla Road. But most officers refused to accompany me, except Captain Sarfaraz of the East Pakistan Civil Armed Forces. With a white flag on top of our jeep, we moved out to meet the Indians.
We reached a nullah where a bridge had been demolished. A Sikh major, who had crossed the nullah with a platoon, appeared and told me to return with troop-carrying vehicles. I went back to the college and reported the matter to Brigade Major Fakhar who told me to take away all buses and trucks that were available. While the vehicles were there, all the drivers, who were civilians, had vanished.
I mounted a .30 Browning on my jeep and manned it myself. Meanwhile, I spotted Captain Mansoor who agreed to follow me in his jeep. As we opened the gate, the enraged crowd outside the college became silent. Fear and anxiety gripped me – we could not rule out the possibility of the crowd attacking us or at least shooting at us. We could identify the Muktis as they carried sten guns.
Nevertheless, Capt. Mansoor and I moved forward, with my finger on the gun’s trigger. Fortunately, the crowd remained motionless and, in fact, parted to make way for us as we drove along.
My painful journey to surrender
By the time we got back, the Pakistan Army’s company strength had crossed over the nullah and taken position. The Sikh major retained all Pakistan Army captains and I was told to accompany a havaldar, who would escort me to Indian Brigade Commander Brig. Sindhu.
We descended into the deep nullah and saw Indian engineers building passages. As I passed them by, they saluted me even though they could tell I was a Pakistani due to my uniform. Their conduct left me with a positive impression about the Indian Army. At the nullah’s other end, I saw another Pakistan Army company strength mounted on vehicles, ready to go across.
I was put in a jeep to be carried to Brig. Sindhu. We had only covered a mile or two, when we saw the brigade commander approaching from the opposite side. Brig. Sindhu got off his jeep, I saluted and he shook my hand. I sat in the jeep, where his DQ was already sitting with a wireless set. But the jeep hit the nullah and we crossed it on foot, leaving the jeep behind.
At the other bank, a few civilians waited with a Mercedes to receive and greet the victors. A man introduced himself as a relative of a famous Awami League leader and offered the car to the brigadier who refused the car and, pointing towards my jeep, said, “I will use the Pakistan Army’s jeep.”
However, he did go for a meeting with them which I felt was pre-arranged. After the meeting, he came over to me and asked me for suggestions on taking over the city. I suggested only that all Bihari localities be protected immediately as they were at risk of attack by Bengalis.
By this time, the engineers had managed to bring across the brigadier’s jeep and a message was immediately passed to transport the Bihar Regiment to Chittagong to protect the Bihari population. The two captains who had accompanied me would serve as guides.
Brig. Sindhu then asked me to guide him to the commissioner’s office. I knew of its location as I had presided over a summary military court that was located there before General Yahya Khan declared war. The building was built on high ground, affording a view of a large part of the city. When we got there, only the brigadier went into the office and we were left outside on the verandah.
The joy of freedom
From there, I saw citizens of Chittagong celebrate India’s victory and their freedom. Jubilant young girls and boys, wearing colourful clothes, carried Indian and Bangladeshi flags. Vehicles playing loud music sped through the roads. People shouted anti-Pakistan and pro-India slogans and of course “Joi Bangla”. Within 20 to 30 minutes, the number of people and vehicles increased exponentially. I am the only unfortunate officer who witnessed that painful sight. The tormenting thought and feelings that crossed my mind can not be expressed through words.
The crowd eventually made its way to the commissioner’s office. People carried garlands and bouquets for the Indian army, their liberators. They came forward to place garlands around the necks of the Indian officers but one girl smilingly approached me and said, “I know you are Pakistani but never mind, you can also share our happiness”, and gave me a garland.
Suddenly, one of the Indian officers caught me by the arm and pulled me back, covering me, while yelling, “catch him”. I noticed a young boy holding a sten gun run out of the crowd. No one followed him. The boy was trying to shoot at me but before he could, the Indian officer saved me.
A round of the city
Brig. Sindhu then took a round of the city, particularly Bihari localities.
It was as if no one inhabited Bihar Colony. White flags, and not Bangladeshi flags, were put up on all the houses.
It was a painful sight for me and I thought of how young Biharis had wholeheartedly supported Pakistan during the nine months of civil war. Doors and windows were closed, but a few minutes later, we saw some people peering through. Brig. Sindhu asked me to call the residents out of their houses so that he could address them.
Initially, no one came out. But when I announced through a portable loudspeaker that I was a Pakistani and had brought Indians who will protect them, the elderly began to come outside. Brig. Sindhu, in his short address, told them that the Bihar Regiment had been deployed for their protection. The Biharis were visibly relieved.
I was gripped by guilt. I knew that these people had wholeheartedly supported Pakistan Army first against the Mukti Bahini and then against the Indians. And here they were, abandoned and desperate.
The situation was similar in Railway Colony and Adamjee Nagar. By evening, we reached Agrabad Hotel, a restaurant I used to frequent with other officers. Brig. Sindhu decided to have a cup of tea there, and the waiters, who recognised me, met me with mixed emotions.
Finally, I was relieved of the unpleasant duty. But I have the satisfaction that I was instrumental in ensuring protection for non-Bengalis at a time when they needed it the most.
But while the Indian officers escorted me to the Pakistan Army officers’ mess, they received another assignment which they wanted to complete through me.
They wanted me to make a list of people, confined in a big school building, who had survived the massacre of Bihari families in Karnaphuli Paper Mills and other industries that provided accommodation to their workers.
I entered the building and was shocked to see several hundred women and children. A few of them hurriedly approached me, asking if I had brought food. I could not bear it. I still shiver as I recall.
I immediately left the building and told the Indian officers that I would not do the job. Recognising my pain, they did not insist and dropped me at the officers’ mess to join all the officers of the Chittagong Garrison.
The writer is a retired major of the Pakistan Army who served as a first-line soldier in the 1971 war.
Published in The Express Tribune, December 16th, 2011.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Thx for reminding us all on a glorious chapter in our history.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Thanks Vijay, Rajeev. Unfortunately this glorious story of the Indian state and the great compassion and wisdom it represents and demonstrated ( Indian army protected the same Bihari Bangladeshi Muslims , who in co-operation with thug, criminal, Pak army, carried out the greatest massacre of Bangladeshi Hindus in Bangladesh ) , that story on this blog , as recounted by a ex Pak major who was a witness to the greatnes of the Indian state, is surrounded by dirty Pak peddlers like Engrich and Ravi
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Just shows how professional our Army is. Great read indeed.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
Thanks. A great read. One of the greatest achievement of our army.
Pakistan army is probably only army in the world who has lost all the wars
It has fought.
I am new to this blog. These are my conclusions.
a) It was a delight to read Mirza. His views echo most of us silent Muslims, who are somehow forced to follow the path set by reigious fanatics who have hijacked our voices
b) Ravi and Engrich are self appointed guardians of the Muslims WHo gave them the right to speak for me or for mirza or for 10 crore Indian Muslims? They are not our thought processes. They should speak for themselves. In my POV they need to cleanse their mind of hatred.
c) The usual story of scaring Muslims to follow the path of a closed mind is being dished out by them. Christians do this to you, Hindus want you killed, Sikhs butchered you in 1947 and Jews want to convert you. We have heard this story a million times. Pakistan has gone on the road of self destruct becasue of this .
To the rest of the folks I will say Salam Namaste SatSri Akal Shalom good day !
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
It is clear without any shadow of a doubt that this guy does not read, does not comprehend, but is keen to judge and to pontificate.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
I think you will be happy only when you see us Muslims living in a ghetto isolated from other communities. You make light of fatwas and dictates which have killed Ahemadiyas and women and try to equate it with a Valentine card. How sick !
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Is that so.
I did not trivialise the Fatwas. You read what you wanted to read into what I said.
Valentines was not creating an equivalence but merely suggesting that other religions make pronouncements too.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
muslims are pushed into ghettos by brhmnsts rulers of india.we are most intelligent god fearing honest community.one ofmy friend has 8 brothers 6 of thm are ias.whenever muslims gets chance ,they perform better than others.outsideindia muslims are very rich and respected.that is why islam has become fastest growing religion of world.
in india also after seeing muslims many many convert to islam.i know atleast 10 girls personally.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
How would you feel if someone proudly stated that Muslim girls are becoming Hindu and Christians and Sikhs? There is a a danger of the death sentence for apostasy. You and Ravi should lead a movement that apostasy should be banned .
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
If you are most intelligent then why do you get pushed as you have been claiming since
Very long time by Brahmins and zionists.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
parvez looks to be an idot or a parrot.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
@ Pervez ahemad
Lovely post. I really liked the last line. Salam Namaste Sat sri akal and SHALOM ! beautiful!
Both Mirza and Parvez have shredded your post about mullahs/fatwas. Parvez called you idiotic, as did Shoeb last month. You persist in caste and communal divisive agenda which is out of place in modern India.
This is gentleman blog where forward thinking secular Indian nationalists rule. Politics of Digvijay, Mulayam, Amar Singh, ie your kind has 1 or 2 mad followers here only.
I look with tears to my country of birth where grandchildren of Parvez, Mirza, Ashish, Mishraji etc have secular corruption free future.
Thanks Parvez, I too am Anna. Bring that trillion bak from Zurich
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
Thank you sir. I am a doctrate student right now. My grand children are still faraway. We are the Amir Khan- Sania Mirza gen of Muslims. We need to get our community to this side, away from what this Engrich and the so called well wisher Ravi wants them to be.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
salman and sania are practising muslims.u lack experience.why balwinder has to leave sikh faith to be good indian.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Both of them – like you did not read what I had written, just assumed, what I had written.
I will reproduce it so You can have another go at cricising it by quoting the text I have written.
_____ THIS IS MY ORIGINAL POST ____________
The passing of such silly Fatwas is nothing new. Mad Mullahs have been passing such silly edicts for many a year. I remember a Fatwa against the wearing of Lipstick which was passed in the late 50s or early 60s.
The reason why they are gaining prominence in the NEWS is because an attempt is being made to demonise the mad mullahas – which is no bad thing – but let us not kid ourselves that such ludicrous pronouncements are anything new. Far from it.
Edit Reply Today 08:36 AM in reply to Manohar_T 0 Like
_______________________ NOW SOME QUESTIONS ___________
1. How does what I have written suggest that I am saying that FAWAs are minor irritants.
2. How can one conclude that I am TELLING MUSLIMS how to lead their lives.
3. HOW can one say that I will only be happy if Muslims lived in a ghetto.
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
And some are pure delusional, just like you.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
mirza and parvez dont know it is only advise not fatwa.multiculturism is zoinists brhmnst agenda.must be oppoped at every level.u are sikh,u should be treated as sikh with fairness and honesty.
india is controlled by brhmnsts.corruption is base of brhmnsm.till we liberate ourselves from their shackles,secular corruption free india is not possible.
anna is corporte agent whose main agenda is to streghten brhmnsm in india.he will succeed as india has already become colony of corporates.we are now their slave like in the british days.
moreover dont attack muslims.i sometime listen the sikh preachers whom i found 10 times more stupid than muslim preachers.
talk on the worldly matters.naxalites also destroyed scholls.actually they are schools.they are one or two room buildings where paramilitary soldiers hide.so they are destroyed.
Ravi is a dirty liar and a lowly person. People who have been around this blog know it.
I suspect, we have a new ‘avtar’ / alias here. Old wine in new bottle?
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Funny I was thinking the same.
I think his Doctrol thesis does not involve reading if the evidence here is anything to go by.
He does smell of some one else.
Another drum beater.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
We will know in due course. Apparently, the wine had started stinking and no one was paying any attention.
To bring the Fatwa Matter to a close
In response to a post by Mohan and Manohar, I suggested that Fatwa’s are edicts which are passed on matters which are trivial, such as wearing of lipstick. My main aim was to suggest that they are nothing new and that they are a part of Muslim culture.
This was maliciously hijacked by Balwinder and then pursued by Mirza and Pervez(?).
To bring this to a close, here is a definition which totally backs my assertion.
Fatwas are formal legal opinions issued by a recognized religious legal authority. Fatwas are most frequently issued in response to questions about living everyday life in accordance with religious law, such as proper diet, gender relations, or the use of new technologies, for example.
However, fatwas have also been used to communicate radical anti-Western messages. In 1989, former Iranian spiritual leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini famously called for author Salman Rushdie’s death for his publication of his novel, The Satanic Verses.
Other Muslim and Arab authorscondemned the fatwa:”Naguib Mahfouz, the winner of the 1988 Nobel Prize in Literature, criticized Khomeini for ‘intellectual terrorism’ but changed his view later and said that Rushdie did not have ‘the right to insult anything, especially a prophet or anything considered holy.’ The Nobel writer V.S. Naipaul described Khomeini’s fatwa as “an extreme form of literary criticism.”
Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden issued a fatwa in 1996 titled, “Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places.”
The two holy places are Mecca and Medinah, both in Saudi Arabia.
Bin Laden’s fatwa is not considered legitimate by most Muslims. He is clearly a criminal, and has no recognized religious authority. Indeed, the Islamic Commission of Spain issued a fatwa condemning bin Laden in March 2004, a year after an Al Qaeda attack in Spain killed 190 people.
Fatwa does not kill any one, the person who passes the fatwa does, the extremist ideology that is at the heart of these Fatwa’s does.
I condemn Balwinder, Mirza and Pervez of being economical with their reading and imaginative with their interpretations.
Tauji…. maybe you should figure out what Pervez was saying. He pointed out that fatwas had been used to kill ahemadiyas, enslave women etc etc. To triviliase them was stupid.
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
It would have been stupid except for two things:
1. Pervez did not say what you attribute to him.
2. I did not trivilaize it.
‘Incredible India’? Hardly so
Those who have objections to use of the term “Hindu Rate of Growth” should not go there.
Looks like Incredible India will go the way of India Shining.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
Sir are you happy that India is floundering… ?
Well the article said that the new hindu rate fo growth is 6%. It is not an indirect insult to Hinduism as the old rate ended up being. But then i still am not comfortable with this term…
As all religions contribute… and so why give credit to Hindus alone ?
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
No, it does not give me any joy to post such links. By not posting, do you think the problem will go away and will floundering stop?
I am as sad and angry as you are the way things are going from good to bad to worse. The blame squarely lies with all the politicians. They are busy trying to prove the one another wrong and score cheap brownie points. Country be damned.
The reason the term “Hindu Rate of Growth” was coined as such, because of the overwhelming majority of the population is Hindu, otherwise it applies to the whole country. It has nothing to do with Hindi religion (if there is such an entity at all) as such. It only describes a certain level of affairs that were prevalent pre-1990s. Whether anyone one like sit or not, it has become part of economic lexicon. The percentage does not matter.
I am still bewildered as to why do you take it your heart. I am also an Hindu (non-practising one,if you must know), it does not bother me and not to most others. Yes, some organisation affiliated to the RSS had taken objections and raised a hue-and-cry about it some years ago. No one paid any heed to them.
~~~ WE WILL BOUNCE BACK !!!!!!! ~~~ despite mourners who want us to perish ~~
Trolls, mourners, pessimists and dunces who believed that india could not do it have to remember PV narasimha rao who pulled us out of a mess created by weepie Singh and his leftist ideologues and a pit dug by years of Congress licence rule and corruption ending with the Bofors saga.
Sadly we are veering towards that road. We have a Bofors like corruption saga being played out and letist and maoist trolls waiting in the wings.
this is a confident India and indians who look back at the whites eye to eye in cotrast to the nirad choudharis who fell at the feet of the Goras. This India has tasted free markets and capitalism and enterprise. being an entrepreneur — I love this India!
The problem is the government. Especially this inert government gone into paralysis becasue of three people
a) mani Aiyar who toppled everything by shouting 70000 crores looted when the government minsters only looted 2-3000 crores (normal Congressi corruption)
b) Dgviansh got into the picture and scared all the Ministers that the Yuvraj is coming so all of you should bow to him
c) the government is too weak to tackle the corrupt and corruption.
But… on the other end there are million entrepreneurs who are shining ( I being the smallest of them) And we will pull this thru
But… yes… this Yuvraj and dynastic succession is the moral dampner…
Pervez Ahmad and Mirza :
I salute you guys. You are the new India !
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
What was there role in the Old India, come to think of it, where do you think they fit in Mera Bharat mahan.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
I am back after a six hour corporate meeting… 4 pegs of Chivas and a four course meal…
but i will still attempt to answer.
the new india is where
Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs and chrisatians
And all relgious men…
Including atheists and tennis worshippers like me…
Look ahead and create a land of unity,,,
& high spirits… hic
but boot our enemies on the bhun_
Your comrade in arms. (?) – ehgrich-proudly stated that he knew 10 Hindu girls who have converted to islam. Dont you think that religious conversion is a cause of communal tensions?
If you feel that coversions are a mattter of choice then should you not protest against apostasy in Islam which forbids and kills Muslims in case they convert to another religion. Or do you feel people coming in to Islam is good and people going out should be killed?
In the light of fairness you and Engrich should go on a hunger strike like Anna to ban apostasy in Islam and allow people to convert to other religions from Islam.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
This Ravi is a Pakistani…
Ravi had commented in Zia’s blog (before he and Egrich/RamAvtar destroyed that blog):
1) he is from Sialkot, the “murderous Hindus” drove his family away to Delhi (Ashish questioned him on this; Ravi said he was drunk and what he meant was Muslims drove his family away to Delhi)
2) He commented that “they will not convert even if they do not have a single god and worship multiple gods unlike us” in a response to Egrich
3) that suicide attack on US, UK etc is justified “because of the crimes they have done against us Muslims ”
Go through Zia’s bl;ogs, you can pull out these gems.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
definately something funny !
Ravi threatened Vinoo who had objected to him abusing Dalits. Today has threatened to SLAP Pervez ahemad who seems a reasonale well read boy with liberal anti-jehadi views.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
raju partition of india was planned byr ss.they were forcing hindus to leave pakistan and vica vrsa.zia blog finished bcause i and ravi left blog.
hindu is not religion lt is samaj where high caste have enslaved others.why sombody go to this samaj and accept inferior position and slavery.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
Should we thank engrich for saving this blog? This blog would have finished if he and
Ravi had left.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
He is shameless..after getting exposed so many times, he some how finds an ally and sticks to him. Right now he is hiding behind Manohar, a corrupt congressi.
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
I have a very simple answer to this. Which I have given to you before.
I am a Sikh, we do not believe in conversion.
Religion is a personal choice and no one should be allowed to coerce or induce or force other people to convert. That means ALL religions to and from.
I am on hunger strike, I am waiting for something sensible from you, for a long time.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
~~ THE ISSUE IS REMOVING COMMUNALISM ~~
Since I am proactively secular and sincerly believe that genuine secularism can only occur by removign distrust between religions I am asking these direct question.
let us face it. One big reason why islam is distrusted by other religions is that it induces others to convert to Islam but does NOT allow Muslims to convert to other religions and even proscribes the death penalty in such cases.
On this blog, engrich keeps boasting of the conversions. he has now baosted that he and his friends know of/ have converted ten Hindu girls. I am now asking plain quesitons to Engrich’s supporters.
The issue was converting of ten Hindu girls to Islam by engrich, which he is gloating about. Since you support him all the time can you not advise him that he should also fight for banning apostasy in islam which gives a death sentence to anyone leaving Islam. That he too should celeberate when Muslim girls become Christain, sikh or hindu?
I would also love your opinion on this as you are supportive of Engrich and his views. A direct opinion on whther Muslims should only convert by first removing apostasy.
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
I am N O T Ram Autar’s keeper.
I do not support him per say. I try to understand him, you converst that into me supporting him.
I OPPOSE your RAJA campaigining for his removal.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
I think you are obfuscating . I am asking a direct question on Ramautar/ tajendra / Engrich celeberating conversion of hindus to Islam. You have to tell me whtehr Muslmis should first remove the apostasy law before they convert in fairness of things !!
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
I have given you the answer, if you are not satisfied with it…….pour your-self another Chivas Regal.
BTW there are many direct questions that I have asked Balwinder, Pervez, etc. Guess what they A L L remain un-answered.
Why dont you ask all these people – whom you support to answer them.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
vijay in hindu religion girl has no religion.daughter of a brhmn is not brhmn.she will remain shudra.she is supposed to follow the religion of her husband as pati is devta.shudras are out of religion/
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
I am not Engrich’s keeper either. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I do not and at other times I simply ignore his comments. Right here on this blog, I have taken him on. Just flip though and read for yourself.
Any religion or rather its protagonists which lay or attempt to lay down hard and fast rules about anything is a form of terrorism.
As I consider religion to be a personal matter and must be confined to the four walls of one’s mind, heart and home (as Mohan tends to agree with me).
Conversions. When our constitution has given us the freedom to follow or change our beliefs, there is no place for any religion to come in its way and there is no need to have laws regulating who does what with his beliefs and whether changes one’s religion. If the Muslims are adamant, (this you may not like) so is the RSS too, in all the states where the BJP rules, they have enacted laws to prevent or make it impossible for Hindus converting to other faiths. Just read the relevant law for example in Gujarat – you may be shocked if you value individual freedom. Both are wrong. We have had enough of ’self appointed’ guardians and protectors. Individual freedom is sacrosanct, as guaranteed by the constitution. That is why those (the brave) wishing to convert, for love or for any other reasons from any religion to the another, have to run away and seek the protection of the courts. In similar fashion, the Khap panchayats are no better. To add to your discomfort, so is Anna Hazare. I am against all those who appoint themselves to dictate terms what others should or not do with their lives. The point to note that this ‘dadagiri’
( whether by Muslims, Christianities or Hindus or whoever) has no place in a country like India.
PS: The individual freedom, I am talking about, allows you and others to abuse each other on this very blog.
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
“I am a Sikh”
Great and I am Prophet Mohammad.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
In the light of fairness you and Engrich should go on a hunger strike like Anna to ban apostasy in Islam and allow people to convert to other religions from Islam
i am not as stupid as stupid as anna or u.million in pakistan have converted to christianity.actually conversion in india is banned in many states not in pakistan.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
I think when you die you should donate your brain to the same lab where Einstein gave his brain. The two contrastw would help scientists
One a genius. The other a duffer of (-) 273 degrees… zero grey cells.!!
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
A stupid will not call himself a stupid. It is for others to judge. Leave to us to
Bad, corrupt governance of Congress has ruined the country: Nitin Gadkari
Gadkari claimed that BJP and NDA would come to power in all the states and at the Centre in the next elections.
What was that again? Sleepwalking?
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
Yedurappa has threatened to leave the party if he is not made the CM. He is plg to defeat Sadad Gowda in the MLC electons. So BJP is in a big dilemma.
I hope that Modi’s wing will prevail, control all these useless ones, forge a good alliance and defeat Congress and cronyism, and usher us to better times. The whole world is going thru huge challenges; I believe we need a Modi in these times
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
Am I right to understand that BJP is a divided party??
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
Yes it is..but not as divided as Congress where Home Minister bugged the office of Finance Minister..
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
BJP is in the same stage as was Congress during PVN Rao time and also during the NDA rule..totally fractured and rudderless. It’s time BJP make some PRAGMATIC decisions and not fall in trap laid by Congress.
Now that Krishna and Dharam Singh are also caught in mining scam, Yeddy can be brought back as CM. Now Congress can’t demand his resignation..and if it does, it will have to sacrifice Krishna.
1) There was a news item where 17 odd BJP MPs have petitioned L K Advani to reinstate BSY as the Chief Minister, as they feel without him at the helm the BJP is in doldrums and would loose in the next elections in Karnataka
2) There was another news item about BJP pacifying the Reddy brothers ahead of elections to the Karnataka Legislative Council, where the incumbent CM is also in the fray.
Our political parties never stop surprising us.
3) Now about Modi. Perhaps you are right about him, he will able to pull the party out of the deep hole it has dug for itself and unable to get out.
However, how does he bury the ghost of the past for wider acceptability? I believe he has been made a scapegoat for the horrors of 2002 and is left to face the music alone. The others – equally or more responsible are moving around scot free. That is why, perhaps he frowned on the party workers for the billboards fiasco and wrote glowingly about Sharad Pawar. Building bridges? May be he thinks his future lies outside of the RSS/BJP. I am only guessing. What do you think?
Should we feel sorry for Ravi? He has been fighting for Muslims since very long on this
Blog and in process has used deregotary words for Hindus and Hindu gods, now has been
Admonished by a proud Indian Muslim.
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
I guess you are being sarcastic.
However, if you are not, do not worry, the AVTAR is known to us, plus I am a big boy now and I can handle such abuse.
I hope you noted that when asked the Avtar, did not answer any questions, I posed him.
BTW I do not defend Muslims, that would be crass, I just dont think that every one of them is a Jihadi as your guru here suggests that they are.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
basically Ravi is trying to say that if an Indian Muslim like rizwan, Shoeb, Pervz or Mirza does not badmouth India or Hindus he is not a Muslim.
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
Is that so, news to me
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Wow!!! What a shameless a$$!!! This is what you have been doing all along..
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
For Ravi every word uttered by Engrich is truth and woth reading whereas dissenting voice of other muslims is fake…This guy Ravi is a total fake and this is the reason he got stumped when admonished by educated muslim.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
I guess you are referring to me. It may surprise many bloggers here that most educated muslims I know in Delhi are sick of us being portrayed in a certain manner. Whenever the word muslim is mentioned it is taken for granted that he has to be very religious bordering on fanatic. Many of us look at religion as something we are born with, but not the ultimate word of law or the creator.
Even our so called well wishers want us to be museum pieces who are supposed to perform in a certain manner. How can a fatwa wielding Mullah speak for me. Or for that matter this mad man Engrich who justifies fatwas or a narrow path of living.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Moe power to you parvez. I hope you succeed in pulversing the fanatic fringe who get the attention. The politcs of this country somehow encourages the Muslims to stay separate from other religion. People like Arif mohammad Khan was sidelined to appease the hardline fanatics.
Do come to the blog more often. it lights up a fire and shines some light on our communal trolls.
engrich Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 1:35 am
appease the hardline fanatics
can u name
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Welcome to this blog. I have many Muslim friends here with whom I regularly
meet have drink with them. Everyone of them is fed up of being stereotyped. We
all are Not any different from each other. Every one has similar desires, prejudices
And other normal habits. It is people like engrich who enjoy putting all the blame on
Brahmans and zionists for the problems of muslims. The problems which he talks about
Are not any different from normal problems which are faced by all Hindus, Christians,
Sikhs and people of other religions. I look forward to your regular contribution on this
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
I have NO muslim friends.
I have friends.
It just so happens that some of them are Muslims.
engrich Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 1:34 am
is people like engrich who enjoy putting all the blame on
Brahmans and zionists for the problems of muslims
last word should be world not muslins.
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
A few months ago when I expressed views similar to those you express here – all be it my suggestion was that ordinary Pakistani’s are also under duress of mad Mullah’s and that aam admi there is no different from us, then that earned me the sobriquet – Jihadi, by almost all of these people who are supporting you here.
Welcome back to the zinda ajaibghar, I am sure you have been here before.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
Welcome..Now that you are not toeing Ravi’s Jehadi line, he is suspecting your identity. You have not yet justified saffron violence whereas Ravi being a sikh constantly justifies Jehadi violence and terror attacks on India.
The day you start justifying saffron terror, I too will suspect you just like Ravi..
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
There were great(Muslim) guys who contributed to Zia’s blog. There was a Rehmat, Syed, and a young businessman whose great grandfather was a friend of Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru — all these were no different from you and me, but egrich and Ravi drove them out of the blog because they just could not take a Muslim who was pro India.
There are still a few left, Shoeb, Mirza etc, who occasionally contribute.
Hope the two guys – Ravi and Egrich – do not run you out!.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
salafi moulvi did not issue any fatwa.heonly advised.if u are so ashamed leave islam.or tell them that yes we are like this.u want to deal with us deal or forget .dont give much explanation.it is ur life.which fatwa u are oppose pls tell me.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Ravi is a dirty liar , exposed many times on this blog. On top of that his peddling on behalf of criminal entity of pakistan makes him a specimen of ‘dhobi ka kutta, na ghar ka na ghat ka’. The vile, garbage Engrich and Ravi are two sides of the same dirty coin.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
Hindus and Hindu gods
ravi never used any derogatory word about hindu gods.
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 1:21 am
Just like you never abuse hindu gods. This is the beauty of Islamists..They believe their own lies.
engrich Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 1:24 am
i say i used but he never used.this is true.
This is testimony of Pakistani Brigadier (Bengali) describing how he was treated by fellow pakistani officers during 1971 liberation war-
Regarding Anna’s Jan Lokpal Movement-
I think they should not expect parliament to accept Jan Lokpal Bill as is. The parliament is supreme (although MPs are thugs) and Anna can not and should not enroach on the right of the parliament. I think it is time they understand that in a democracy divergent views are to be accomodated.
Congress’s behavior towards Anna’s movement-
Congress should understand that it has lost the confidence of Urban India by constantly playing tricks with Anna & his team. This is not going to pay anymore. It should give up thuggery and concentrate on Lokpal that can be passed in parliament.
Anna’s impact on elections-
The impact is going to be none in rural areas as Anna’s movement is an urban phenomenon. The rural India lives on doles (Khairat) and right now Congress is in position to give Khairat (read Bribe). As far as urban areas are concerned, Anna will have marginal impact enough to get Congress defeated on few seats.
I think, Rahul may get desired results as he has been successfully wooing muslims using reservation carrot and anti-majority venom. Congress will surely have atleast 50% of muslim vote plus 100% christian votes and add to that votes of loyal Congressis (for generation). I think Congress may end up as Number 2 or 3. The chances are it will tie up with SP to form the govt. You can see this alliance happening because Akhilesh Yadav has been soft towards Congress and has punished SP workers who showed black flag to Rahul. BJP as usual has been lethargic, slow to act and I feel it will be distant 4th.
Thanks Vijay, Rajeev. Unfortunately this glorious story of the Indian state and the great compassion and wisdom it represents and demonstrated ( Indian army protected the same Bihari Bangladeshi Muslims , who in co-operation with thug, criminal, Pak army, carried out the greatest massacre of Bangladeshi Hindus in Bangladesh ) , that story on this blog , as recounted by a ex Pak major who was a witness to the greatnes of the Indian state, is surrounded by dirty Pak peddlers like Engrich and Ravi
Guys lets pay tribute to the departed soul of CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS.
he was a iconoclast , but world would be a poorer place withpout such character.
I guess he is in the same ENGLISH tradition of Marlowe et al , who described Jesus as gay , as pictures showed hin leaning on the shoulder of John the baptist , and Mary a *****.
Hitchens called KISSINGER A WAR CRIMINAL , MOTHER TERESA A FRAUD EXTRAORDINAIRE (his book The missionary Position, has a double meaning title)
POPE TO BE ARRESTED FOR SHIELDING PAEDOPHILE PRIEST.
I salute him for all the above stances .
where i depart is his support for Iraq Invasion. Apparently he had seen THE GASSING OF THE KURDS BY SADDAM(Engrich was talking bollocks about Islamic regime not using chemical weapons),
AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE DID NOT SPEAK GREAT DEAL ABOUT THE MULLAHDOM AND GENERALLY ON ISLAM(well I guess he didn’t want to die in the hands of a fanatic)
I would be interested to know what other bloggers thought of him .
LASTLY , HE DESCRIBED GOD AS A CELESTIAL NORTH KOREAN DICTATOR WHO MAKES YOU ILL , SO THAT YOU PRAY TO HIM TO GET BETTER
Ravi Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
When I heard the news, I started re-reading his book “God is not great”. In it he does take Islam to task. The title itslef is telling.
I dislike his brother.
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
many thanks , I need to read that book in detail.however heard him read chapter nine that deals with Koran. It is anything but taking to task. he says koran is borrowed from christian and jewish myths , taking to task would be to call it an SPRINGBOARD OF ARAB NATIONALISM , nothing more nothing less.
engrich Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 11:03 pm
christopher hitchens was a anti-human zoinist.he was criminal by nature supporting the killings of innocents.this stupid supported the invasion of iraq,where america lost 4trillion dollars and 100000 americans(killed and wounded).war made half america poor.but their brothers made good money by supplying arms to both sides.shaitan died quite early.
The other boy (whose great grandfather was a friend of Nehru) is Rizwan; I just read his name mentioned in Vijay’s response to you.
Rizwan was hounded out by Ravi for him being a businessman, whose ancestry “licked” Hindus ie Nehru to get into business
shabana or imam bukhari dont represent muslims.neverhless hundreds have gone to afghanistan to fight russians.americans to apne dushman hain.
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 7:55 am
You should also go there and blow yourself up. We dont need your advice here.
engrich Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
i am talking to misra not to u.so shut up.
SmugB(Bstands for you know what) D mishra is back , blowing the trumpet for his sidekick Balls Bhondhu. THE DON QUIXOTE AND SANKO PANZA ACT.
While one was looking forward to elevate the discussion on this blog to something intellectually stimulating , SMUG B , drags it down to petty point scoring. That is because , that is his limits , anything else would be vaccuos , facile and tripe.
NOW SMUG B EAT YOUR HEART OUT
Whenever power is used for evil, it becomes diabolical; it must be used for good only. So this accumulated culture of ages of which the Brahmin has been the trustee, he must now give to the people at large, and it was because he did not give it to the people that the Mohammedan invasion was possible.
It was because he did not open this treasury to the people from the beginning, that for a thousand years we have been trodden under the heels of every one who chose to come to India. It was through that we have become degraded, and the first task must be to break open the cells that hide the wonderful treasures which our common ancestors accumulated; bring them out and give them to everybody and the Brahmin must be the first to do it. There is an old superstition in Bengal that if the cobra that bites, sucks out his own poison from the patient, the man must survive. Well then, the Brahmin must suck out his own poison.
NOT MY WORDS BUT THE WORDS OF SWAMI VIVEKANANDA
Anonymous Reply:December 16th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
Sorry read sancho for sanko
A certain builder from MG Road and an ex bank manager from Konkan and the gaddars who despite having taken british passport before you can count ten, were using a flurry of expression to denigrate england.
Well bloggers may be interested to know a LEONARDO DA VINCI exhibition of his paintings is going on in NATIONAL GALLERY in london since 9th Nov.
ALL ADVANCE BOOKING TICKETS TILL THE END IS SOLD OUT(each ticket cost 16 pounds)Every day 500 tickets are released at 10.00hrs. I took my chance one day at 1300hrs. I WAS TOLD , I NEED TO QUEUE FROM 0800HRS. it is Arctic weather now in UK. So I may have to book a hotel room near charing cross station, just for the sake of being able to stand in the queue.
CLASS AND CRASS IS EASY TO DISTINGUISH
Ravi Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 10:05 am
You will not be disappointed. I saw some of his work in Florence.
Two considerations go against letting Pakistan go: its nuclear weapons and the spillover beyond its territory. These two are serious issues. However, if pushed, many innovative policies can be found to deal with Pakistan’s nuclear weapons. Pakistan’s security establishment is again focusing on traditional security methods. I trust claims of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons being secure. But the question is, secure from what? And from whom? The threat (from Pakistan’s perspective) may not come from where it expects, and may not even be of the type it might plan for. The other consideration is increasingly becoming irrelevant as well. Most believe (rightly or wrongly) a stable Pakistan to be a source of instability rather than stability in the region. The spillover effects of a destabilised Pakistan will most probably not be worse, and confining it would not require more resources than keeping it afloat.
An article, worth reading. gives an impetus to new thinking.
engrich Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 1:40 am
last 3 weeks there is no suicide attack in pakistan.zoinism is root of all evils.let them go thngs will be normal.only brhmnsm will remain.which people of india and pakistan will handle jointly.though brhmnsm is more brutal than zoinism.
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 2:55 am
“Last 3 weeks there is no suicide attack in Pakistan”
Great. One only hopes there are no suicide attacks and no terrorist attacks anywhere in the world for the next 30 years or 300 years.
engrich Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 10:31 am
zoinists are expert in bomb planting bussines.this is their old favourite game.that is they have fooled the jews and took them to israhell.where they are forced to work for ashknazi jews.
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 7:41 am
Zionism is not the cause of all evil. Your illiterate confused mind is your cause. If you stay in India… how many zionists do you come across? Did the zionists make Imam Bukhari a fatwa issueing idiot? Did the zionists force our women not to got to school or college becaue they would get polluted? No, it was fundamantalists fools like you who want to exploit Muslim girls by keeping them illiterate and tied in convention.
You called me a parrot and confused. I think and call you a headless chicken, a gutless pig and a moron. Change your thinking or remein a sordid duffer which you are.
engrich Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 10:29 am
parvez u are an idiot if u say that zoinism is not behind most of the evils of world.usuary system is forcing them to do this.
Did the zionists force our women not to got to school or college becaue they would get polluted? ——————-
u are fool.literacy level in all muslim countries is 95%plus.even iranian women are far more intellegent than indian women.datas of bangladesh women are better than indian women.in india percentage is less because of poverty not because of relogion or society.
u are an brainwashed illetrate fool go and study then comback.
accept that u are donkey as u have nothing to support ur claims.
u have no idea ,how the world is moving.infected by brhmnst propaganda.
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 3:17 am
Pankaj No. 1
The link is not working. Can you post the correct link?
Shan, Ravi, Ashish, Mohan and others.
Christopher Hitchens – The man for all reason
Religion is violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry.
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 8:04 am
I have always believed and said it on this blog that religion should
be practiced at home. Do not wear it on your sleeve when interacting
with other people.
Was sad to read about the demise of Christopher Hitchen, whose few
interesting articles I have read. Similar to him is another writer, Richard Dawkins,
whose book God’s delusion I had read few years back where he has
ridiculed all the religions.
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 9:07 am
Yes, we have agreed on where the the place of religion should be.
Thanks for reference to Richard Dawkins, who I was not aware of – will check out his work.
Ravi Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 10:12 am
In UK Richard Dawkins is very well known.
So, you have admitted that all this is really, really bakwas!
Also, from all these old vomit, one thing stands out crystal clear:
“WRT to 5000 dalit rapes, as I re-iterated earlier in this blog, I stand by my assertion and estimates.
The main issue is, where as you rely on official statistics, I am counting on the fact that a very large proportions of dalits are so oppressed and so down-trodden that, they neither report such sexual exploitation nor the police ever registers their complaints. So much so that 5000 a day may well, be an under-estimate.”
THIS MINDSET OF THE JIHADI HAS NEVER CHANGED. IT WILL NEVER CHANGE TOO, BECAUSE THE ISI MASTERS WILL NEVER PERMIT IT.
SO ALL YOUR ATTEMPTS TO PAINT YOURSELF AS A ‘GURUDWARA VISITING SARDAR’ IS ALL BAKWAS. YOU ARE WHAT YOU ALWAYS WERE: A JIHADI FUNDOO.
Ravi Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Is that the best you have to offer.
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
standard apnaa apnaa, bakwaas apni apni.
I am very clear in my mind tha too many times people have become our spokesmen. Who has given them the right? When some idiot politico approaches Bukhari and asks him to issue a fatwa that his party should be voted, Bukhari gladly obliges. Does he think all Muslims are goats who can be shepherded?
It was in that context I am angry that you called a fatwa a minor matter. Right now all citizens of this country have to use their mind and do what is good for the country and not what a fool or a terrorist asks them to do. Muslims especially have to ask themselves this question becasue we have the most number of terrorists– who claim they are fighting on our behalf.
Ravi Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 9:54 am
I have no issues with this post, except I did not say fatwa is a minor matter.
Fatwas range from do not wear lipstick (which is minor), vote for this candidate (which is serious), Salman Rushdie is fit for killing (major), lets unite the Deobandi and Barelvi sects (Earth Shattering)
engrich Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 11:33 am
sikhs and christians too issue fatwas.
engrich Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 11:32 am
It was in that context I am angry that you called a fatwa a minor matter
99%of fatwas issued by religious authorities from recognized institutions are usually correct and right.if u dont want to bind urslf with them,u have this right i.allama iqbal never gone to haj.jinnah was a drinker had non muslim wife and son in law.
~~~ HOW TO REMOVE A HANGOVER~~ vijay kumar style ~~~~
The charms of Chivas Regal can lead you to a rather heavy head on a Saturday morning. And now as I settle on my computer after a difficult time loging in becasue of a glitch on the HT site…. the first post I noticed was of our resident dunce Engrich.
HE CALLS PERVEZ A PARROT AND AN IDIOT !!
The same Engrich who parrots Brhmns-zionism– hinduism-amricanmd from all ends all day 24/7, 365 days with feverish support from Ravi !!
Ha ha ha HAHAHHA !! WHAT A JOKE !!! HAHAHAHAHAH HARR HAAAA
Thanks duffer Engrich for clearing my hangover….
HAHAH HAHAHA !
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 9:27 am
I 100% agree with you on the charms of Chivas. However, my weekend is
over and today is a first day of the week for me. No hangovers till next weekend.
By the way any chance of you being in Bombay early February.
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 9:37 am
@ Mohan. Yes maybe …. ealry feb !
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 10:25 am
Hope to see you there.
Ravi Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 10:14 am
feverish support from Ravi !!
If my support is feverish, then your attacks on him are ferocious.
BTW if you think Chivas Regal is a good whisky then you do not know whisky. You are a casualty of marketing and you drink labels.
I am a victim of old hindi films where Amitabh would always have Chivas or VAT 69 in a state of tanhai…
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Just a question. When Muth andar Hussain Turad posts anti India and anti Hindu propoganda under three different names– Tajendra, Ram Autar and Engrich– and boasts of converting Hindu girls, what do you think he is doing
a) promoting secularism by taking different religious avtars
b) Promoting dissent in India by showing that Sikhs, Dalits and Christians are against India and Hindus
c) Showering us with immense knowldege
If your answer is A or C, I will understand the reason for your support. If it is B– the rest of the guys who hate you will get their answer.
engrich Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 11:18 am
vijay kumar tum bahut dukhee purush ho.jeevan kam hee lagta hai.rooz subah gaya karo,
aye malik tere bande hum ………………………..what a nice sonng i hear daily in morning.
I too agree. SO can you now tell Engrich to keep his confused mind back in his home WC…. he has cleared my hangover by the way !!
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 9:22 am
Agree to what?
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 9:35 am
Agree that relgion should be practisd at home..
Ravi Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 10:18 am
मन मंदिर की ज्योत जगा कर पहोंचे काशी रे
engrich Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 11:15 am
kashi kis mukh se jaoge daaboo
lajja tumko tanik nahi aati.
jab misrajee blog pe aatein hain prajee kahtein hain,
unke dekhe se jo aajati hai mukh par shobha
woh vichartein hain kee rogee ke dasha uttam hai.
yeh ghalib kee ghazlon ka hindi translation hai.original ashar bateiye.
Ravi Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
काबे किस मुहं से जाओगे ग़ालिब
शर्म तुमको मगर नहीं आती
उनके देखे से जो आ जाती है मुहं पर रोनक
वोह समझते हैं के बीमार का हाल अछा है
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 10:23 am
I am not his keeper or a headmaster or a resident hakeem or a guru or whatever, nor your messenger. You have issues with him – debate directly with him to sort them out or just ignore what he writes.
engrich Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
i have no issue with him.he abuses me for nothing.he should attack what i say.but he attacks me personally.
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
why don’t you explain to your “friend”, this congressie troll, why Vinod Sharma scratched you from his blog, expelled you, debarred you and shamed you?
Beautifully said Pervez
~~~ HOW TO ERADICATE ISLAMOPHOBIA ~~~~~~~~~ QUESTION No 1~~~
Since I battle for genuine secularism, I have a habit of asking inconvenient questions. And one such question is always the issue of conversion which pits Muslims against other religions. To create genuine harmony among communities I am putting the first question to Ravi. His answer did not satisfy me, since I know for sure that the Sikhs community was quite worked up about conversions to islam in 2009 in UK when I hung around there.
This lead to considerable tensions between Sikhs and Muslims
Q : Ravi since you claimed you are a Sikhs and don’t believe in conversion will you now announce at your Havelock street Gurudwara that we should encourage Sikh girls to convert to Islam — since my pal Engrich loves it–but not convert muslim girls to Sikhism as their religion bans conversion and has a death penalty?
engrich Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 11:10 am
20%of my family girls are married to hindus.i dont know what is in their heart.apprently they follow hindu gods.this the time of multiculturism.pagdi sambhal jatta.
Anonymous Reply:December 19th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
@Vijay khapodia , as they say proof of the pudding , only way to prove or disprove your opening statement would be to let your girlfriend spend a night with me.SHE WILL A LOT CONTENDED AND WISER about her G SPOT.
As for ayurveda it is complimentary medicine , for your PROBLEM with PREMATURE eja , which leads to your erratic posts , I would suggest a SRS inhibitor drug not any ayurvedic potion , like SHILAJIT that the pakistani cricketer was trying to buy from India
~~~ HOW TO ERADICATE ISLAMOPHOBIA ~~~~~~~~~ QUESTION No 2~~~
Manohar got out of the inconvenient question on conversion by proudly announcing he was not a Hindu or did not believe in religion. And then as suspected getting narendra Modi, RSS and BJP into it.Now let me phrase my question to him again
Q 1: What about people who are relgious HIndus, religious Sikhs or a religious Christaint. Should they also say that we should encourage girls and boys to convert to Islam — as Engrich boasts about–but not allow a Muslim to become a HIndu, Sikh or a a Christian as Islam bans reverse conversions and has a death penalty.
Q2: Should the mayor of Texas, the people of norway, the priests of Catholoc church in Rome and the Buddhist temple in Thailand now also say that one sided conversions– into Islam but not out of it are no problem– becasue Naredra Modi and the Gujrat government also dont allow conversions.. !
I am waiting for the answer Manohar
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 10:19 am
You replied to my query
Agree that relgion should be practisd at home..
You have answered your own questions here.
In any case, I am not Islam’s or anyone’s else keeper. Ask the people concerned. I have expressed my views and am not going to repeat them. if you have had a problem understanding what I had to convey, than that is your problem and not mine.
PS: In the meantime, you can wait for support from your fellow traveler(s), for which you will not have to wait for long. The time starts now.
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 10:22 am
So the question was ducked, dodged, fudged.
Manohar I did not expect thisout of you !
Cmon, speak out your heart. JO darr gaya woh mar gaya,
I believe in genuine secularims and not of the Mulayam Digviansh variety. And it is important to address the real issues. Rest is otherwise small talk !
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Think whatever you like of me (cannot and do not wish to stop you – remember individual freedom that applies to thoughts too) and be my guest. I expressed my views earlier, I stand by them and not going to repeat them.
Ravi Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
There are people here who would ask inane questions thinking that they are, either laying down a clever trap or hoping to sound intellectually inspiring.
If one provides a honest answer rather than an answer which is acceptable to them, then they accuse one of ducking, dodging, fudging, etc.
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
I am very well aware of the games and shenanigans of some of our bloggers.
Yes, they expect to get answers which they want to hear.
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
You call this an inane question? This is the burning issue of our time. I am trying to remove Islamophobai… which you and Engrich create/
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 10:51 am
You dont need to read Orbital Dynamics to search for your answer.
CONVERSION TO ANY RELIGION SANS ISLAM STILL LEAVES YOU A FREE MAN , CONVERTING TO ISLAM IS ONE WAY SUBMISSION , INFACT THE TWISTED MEANING OF ISLAM IS SUBMISSION.
You are not a FREE THINKER anymore , SUBMISSION AND FREE THINKING ARE OXYMORON
engrich Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 11:07 am
but u can leave islamic fold.thousands in western countries and lacs in pakistan and bangladesh have left islam.yes till u are muslim u have to follow path of islam.but muslims have given best thinker philosophers scientists and astrologers.hence picture which zoinist media is giving about islam is wrong and part of hate propaganda.so there is no restriction on thought.in hinduism only brhmns have the right to think,as mind is given to twice born only.
Ravi Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Meer Taki Meer, pre-dated Mirza Ghalib.
मीर के दीन-ओ-मजहब का अब पूछते क्या हो उन ने तो
कश्का गेंचा देर में बेठा कब का तर्क इस्लाम किया
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
You are the worst example of the devil quoting scriptures.
And you employ devnagari script to show that you are a Sikh!!
What cunning! what deception!!!
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Please answer the question I have directed at you. I want genuine secularism to win ….
engrich Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Naredra Modi and the Gujrat government also dont allow conversions.. !
modi is a teele can never be equal to brhmn.he was forced to commit mascare on the instruction of blood thirsty brhmns of nagpur.he has realised that he is being fooled.satta ka maza punditon ne uthaya,jail wo jaega.now brhmns are after his neck.
at the right time he will also leave this brutal samaj.
How different is congress from shiv sena and mns.
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
1) Goondagardi is fast becoming the language of political discourse and to settle scores.
The Sambhaji Brigade – an affiliate of the NCP did untold damage to the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institue, Pune (founded 1917). Precious ancient manuscripts and artifacts were completely destroyed. The culprits have never been convicted till date.
Shame on us for tolerating such loony elements and not showing them their place.
2) No need to guess the ideological leanings of the person(s) who must have hacked his account.
this post is for all Indians, but specially for Keralites.
Yesterday, two great Indians, who incidentally, are great Keralites too, were honoured by CNN-IBN with Life Time Achievement awards.
The names are Verghese Kurien, the milkman and J.Yesudas, the musicman.
In fact, CNN-IBN honoured itself and also honoured the country by honouring these two remarkable human beings.
I am proud to be an Indian and proud to be living in the same times of these two greats.
Incidentally, I am also happy and proud that Anna Hazare was honoured with the award, “Indian of the year 2011″.
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Thanks. Verghese Kurien and KJ Jesudas are two great children of India (who happen to be Malayali Christians). Verghese could have settled in USA and made tons of money; he decided to contribute to his motherland, organizing the largest farmers cooperative in Anand – the rest is history, the father of white revolution in India, the creator of Amul brand (our yuvraj is “amul baby” coined by another Keralite leader Achuthanandan).
FYI, Jesudas, a devotee of Christ as well as all the gods/goddesses he grew up with and personalized through his music upbringing (Mookambika, Guruvayoorappan, Ayyappan etc), performs an annual music concert at Kollur Mookambiaka temple during Navarathri. His Guru, Chembai Vaidyanatha Iyer, cried in pleasure hearing him singing.
btw today is the 40th anniversary of the liberation of East Pakistan. Whatever disagreement I may have about Shrimathi Indira Gandhi’s politics and economics, she was a great “man” when wars had to be waged and won. The brilliant use of army, the coordination between army/navy/airforce, the heavy preparation and the limited duration, all simply magnificent.
And what a portrait of the leadership, Indian unity in diversity – a Parsi’s wife in charge of the whole thing, another Parsi (Field Marshal Manekshaw) leading the overall military plans, a Sardarji (Gen Aurora) leading the attack, another Sardarji (Gen Braar, who will later lead operation blue star in Amritsar) to be the first to enter Dhaka, and a whole bunch of junior/senior officers (Vaidya, Krishnaswamy, Padmanabhan (who all will become army generals at a future date), Latif, a Bohra Muslim who will become an Air Force chief , and Sunith Rodrigues , a Christian, who will later become an army chief and governor of Punjab) —
For interested readers, Gen Padmanabhan, a very hawkish general (btw he is a fellow Malayali) is also a prolific author, “Waiting on the Wall” being my favourite one, dealing with waging a war on Pakistan while secretly befriending China.
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
you are very right. The Amul grandpa, Verghese, made my eyes wet with tears of joy and pride, when he made his acceptance speech.
I couldn’t contain my tears any more when Yesudas narrated from what humble beginnings he became a singer and his total identification with the universal God.
As for Indira Gandhi, every word you have written is true. She always went with her instincts rather than any pre-determined plan of action. It was so when she broke away from the parent congress to form her congress(I), when she nationalised the banks or when she attacked Pakistan to dismember that country.
Her instincts, for once, failed her when she had to deal with another cunningly dishonest man, Bhutto. The rest is, as you said, history.
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Just a bit of useless info — Ravi Mathai, the founder/director of IIM Ahmedabad, whom Mr Narayan Moorthy called a “Rishi of modern India” in a speech he made at IIM, is a nephew of Verghese Kurien
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
You have left out a very important actor GEN JACOB , a scion of the old JEWISH FAMILY FROM CALCUTTA, YES CALCUTTA NOT KOCHIN
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Shan, you are right..I just forgot, a big lapse..
Adding him makes the tapestry and panorama even more compelling..
Point to this when pessimists and “secularists” question the idea of India …
Sikh, Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Parsi, Jew — all put their lives for Bharat Mata (heheh I will get hit for using the term “mata”)
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
What a victory it was!
It is this total identification with the idea of Indian nationhood which carried the day for India in the 1971 war!!
And it is this idea of India Pakistan has been trying to destroy, since 1947-48, but more than ever since 1972!!!!!!!
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Shenoy, Gopiji, Shan,
Very happy to know that these great people
have got life time achievement award.
And good information on 1971 war too.
Read last few posts and try to understand
what India is. UNITY IN DIVERSITY.
Stop you regular nonsense of blaming everything
on brahmins and zionists.
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Your posts only proves that we are human beings first and Indians next, a fact which many here and elsewhere are in denial.
For them (we know the culprits and their bandmaster on this blog), it is one religious community against the others and strongly advocate and promote the supposed “division” among fellow beings. In spite of your message, this divisive agenda will continue. Wanna bet otherwise?
Ravi Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
I did suggest to Gopi in the last blog that in my view Golimarkar and Dr Shyama Parsad Mookherji created fissures in Indian society.
He thought I was too much.
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
brilliant!! We need to remember V Kurain everytime we have our cup of tea.
Sadly his experience with rural communities could have been used better. In fact farmer suicdes and falling rural income could well use the Amul model.
Shankar Dwivedi of banaras accepted Islam
he is ex-shankaracharya of benaras.listen him on u tube.he compared holy vedas with holy quran for three years.
vijay and shenoy bv
vijay please see the following ,
Prophet Muhammad (sa) in Hindu Scriptures -on u tube.
Similarities Between Hinduism and islam
on u tube.vijay see complete many of ur pains will go.must see.
vijay another bad news for u,
रूस में ‘कट्टरवादी साहित्य’ भगवद्गीता पर लग सकता है बैन
today in navbharat times.
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Plonker Engrich, that is because ISKON IS SWEEPING RUSSIA LIKE THE OCTOBER REVOLUTION, YOU CAN SEE RUSSIANS CHANTING HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA ON THE STREETS OF MOSCOW.
Nearly every town in russia now has a ISCON branch
engrich Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
iskon is cia subsidiary.even in delhi they have their offices.but u may be right russia has spiritual vacum.one of my relative is attached with them.what i feel they generaly catch the bania ladies(because they are rich) and then rob them.sometime destroy their family.they have a centre in mathura also.
they dont offer anything.when i questioned them guru was first angry ,then requested me to keep quite and talk later.then start begging me that .with great difficulty i have brought them to certan path ur talks will destroy everything..they are instructed not to discuss these things with anybody.leave the place if somebody question ur faith.my samdhan and his brother were mad after guru.i told them ,he is immoral fraud.they were not listening ,till his loveletters addressed to wife of her brother were found.
mathura and neemsaar(sitapur)is filled with these nuts.
BJP MP question in RS backfires
New Delhi: For BJP’s Tarun Vijay it was a Kafkaesque morning in the Rajya Sabha on Friday. He had asked the name of MPs, whose annual MPLADS funds remain unutilized, but much to his chagrin Vijay found his own name in the list of 22 Rajya Sabha and three Lok Sabha MPs, who are yet to recommend developmental work under the scheme. Eight out of 25 MPs are from BJP.
The list includes names like Lalu Prasad, president of Rashtriya Janata Dal; commerce minister Anand Sharma; Nishikant Dubey (BJP), member of RS from Rajasthan; H D Kumaraswamy JD(S), Smriti Zubin Irani (BJP), Vijay Mallya (independent), Ram Jethmalani, Hema Malini, Meghraj Jain, Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi and Tarun Vijay (all BJP) and Pramod Kureel (BSP).
Vijay had also asked what are the general complaints being received regarding the use of MPLADS fund. In his reply, Shrikant Jena said the general complaints received in the ministry about MPLADS include delay in implementation of MPLADS works by district authorities, non-utilization of funds, execution of in-eligible works, forged recommendation letters, incomplete works and poor use of assets.
Tarun Vijay is an MP from Uttarakhand and has been a RS MP since July, 2010.
May be this will work now.
1971 – Bangladesh Liberation war.
I remember that vividly. I was in 8th standard. My mother insisted and made
all of us agree that till the war is on we should all sleep in one room.
If anything happen, we should all die together. It was on Wednesday, 15th Dec,
around 11 at night. My elder brother was in Baroda studying in a unversity. My parents, my elder sister and we three brothers were in one room. My sister and I were discussing about songs played on
Binaca geet mala a while ago. Suddenly all the doors and windows shook violently,
and after few seconds heard the roaring voice of planes above us. Everyone was
scared, no one was willing to go out and check. Nobody slept whole night. Early in the
morning around 6.30 a neighbour came and told us that two bombs
were dropped by Pakistani planes . Luckily these bombs fell between two
towns, Anjar and Adipur.– Two small towns in Kutch –. NO CASUALTY. No body was hurt. For few days that area was cardoned off by the military. After few days
when military left, that place became the most famous picnic spot of that area.
Anonymous Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Gr8 memory! I wish indira had settled the kashmir problem then by occupying ar to their Kashmir
Anonymous Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 6:39 am
There are few things which are never forgotten. I often wonder
what if those bombs were dropped few seconds earlier,
many people would have died in Anjar, and if few seconds latter,
probably I would not have been writing this post.
~~~ GENUINE NON PARTISAN SECULARISM WINS THE DAY !!! ~~~~~
I Vijay Kumar hereby swear that I am a believer in genuine secularism and am willing to fight and decimate all who are against it.
I Vijay Kumar swear upon the constitution of India that all my hard hitting questions are only for the intention of busting islamophobia and also for making Muslims understand that one reason why people of other religions view you suspiciously is conversion and this can be removed by destroying and abolishing laws of blasphemy, apostasy and freely allowing Muslims to convert to other religions.
If you can convert to Islam then you cannot ban an indivdual excercising his right to convert to some other religion FROM ISLAM.
Recently we have seen a big hullobullo in Jammu and Kashmir where a pastor CM Khanna has been hauled up by all the so called secular parties because he chose to seven willing Muslims to christianity.
Yet no so called secular (fake in my eyes) commented when Buddhists of Ladakh are beign converted en-masse to Islam.
Across the border, Pakistan has decimated its Hindus , Sikhs, Christians, Qadianis, Ahemdiayas from 13% in 1947 to less than 2% today.
We dont want to become like them. Never.
So let genuine secularism win ! Let us decimate the trolls who celeberate the conversion to Islam but are unwilling to celeberate the conversion from Islam to other religions… !!
Some of you will find it interesting. A tribute to great Martyar.
DEEP SEA DIVING and this blog”””””””””
Greetings all from Sharm El Sheikh- I am on my annual diving liveabaord vacation. Today was a refresher day to get all essential skills sharpened. The most scary is removing your jacket and mask on the sea bed- your now blind- and then slowly putting everything back on- as you blow air into the mask- HALLELUJAH, YOU CAN SEE.
Why do I tell you this- at the bottom of the sea, this blog almost interfered with my concentration. Guys you will all kill me, haha
Anyway, at that ‘blind’ moment, I had an epiphany- and some of you will not like what I have to say-
1. Dear Vinoo, Balwinder, Vijay and Shenoy- why do you spend so much time on Ravi and engrich ramavtar ??? Does blasphemy and apostacy even have to be discussed? Is Hitler bad?
2. Now this will shock many of you. Engrich’s theories are most infantile, but deep down, he is not a bad man. He belongs to a generation and class of those Indian muslims who got left behind, are insecure, defend the indefensible and go on the offensive by talking about zionists, jews and brahmins.
3. And consider this- both he and Tarun Vijay have a similar dream- join Pakistan and India, can you beat that !!!
Dr Mishra Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
praaji Balwinder, dont be cross, I am diving deep down again
Dr Mishra Reply:December 17th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
this is how that tricky diving maneuver is done
your best line Shoeb- ‘ and more importantly just comingling with others ‘
that is the single most imp thing- from burkas to ghettoes, these walls need to come down. Here in Sharm el Sheikh, there is unease among the coral reefs.
No one wants to say the obvious, THE PUNGENTLY CORRUPT MUBARAK at least kept the mullahs down and kept 8 million tourists coming into Egypt annually. In my annual 2 weeks here- I pump in about £ 2000 INTO THE DIVING AND HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY
Dear Shoeb, This is in response to your post addressed to me.
ISLAM, IS IT ANY DIFFERENT FROM OTHER RELIGIONS.
There was a time in my life when I was under a lot of stress. To take my mind off from matters relating to medicine , i turned to any thing that has no relationship to medicine. Thus I studied ABC of electronics also i studied Comparative Religion. Specially I studied a fair bit of Judaism .
JUDAISM CAN GIVE ISLAM, FOR THAT MATTER ANY RELIGION , RUN FOR ITS MONEY IN BARBARISM.
There is a jewish text called MISNAH.The entire book deals with who can have sex with whom .Can uncle have sex with his brother’s daughter and all other permutation and combination.David Cameron yesterday exhorted the archbishop of canterbury to put christianity at the forefront for giving moral guidance. To which Prof Dawkins said , to seek moral guidence from old testament , which says TO STONE ANYONE WHO MISSES SABATH , AND STONE AN ADULTERER TO DEATH will not be a good idea.
STONING IS NOT AN ISLAMIC INVENTION.
In fact Rageh Omar in a BBC programme on ISLAM suggested because ISLAM MAY BE SEEN ,TO ESSENTIALLY LIFT CHAPTER AND VERSE IN CHUNKS FROM JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY, people may see it as a FALSE RELIGION.
The islamic scholars cleverly got round this problem . THEY MADE PROPHET ILLITERATE , problem solved , now it can only come from Archangel gabriel.
NOW HINDUISM. I dont know how many bloggers are aware that MAHABHARATA IS A SOFT PORN. Take pandavas . Son of PANDU. Does any blogger knows why he was called Pandu. Because when he was born he was PANDUR VARNA meaning pale.Pandu’s dad was IMPOTENT , so a rishi was summoned to impregnate the queen.That RISHI straight out from the jungle , smelly , bearded and looked fearsome.
Apparently Pandu’s mum had such a fright at the sight of that Rishi she became PANDUR(pale) during “the act”. Thus the child that was conceived was born PANDUR OR PALE.Or take the case of GODS enjoying company of ASPARAS in heaven.
But where ISLAM GOT LEFT OUT , is that they DID NOT UPDATE like other religions did with all sorts of SPIN. LUTHER challenged the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE’S EXPLOITATION, King James BIBLE was written in ENGLISH.
IN ISLAM YOU CANNOT PRAY IN ANY LANGUAGE OTHER THAN ARABIC.
BOTTOM LINE IS FREEDOM
Thus people like Marlowe challenged the whole concept of god 500yrs ago and now we have Dawkins and Hitchens.
THERE IS LOT OF CHRISTIANITY IN USA BUT MOST OF IT IS HYPOCRISY, yet there is also TOTAL FREEDOM TO SPEAK AGAINST CHRISTIANITY, which many have done.
Post independence HINDU LAWS WERE JUNKED AND REPLACED WITH SECULAR LAWS , LIKE DIVORCE , PROPERTY RITES AND HOST OF OTHERS.
But for ISLAM be happy with MUSLIM PERSONAL LAW.
In fact Congress is the MOST COMMUNAL despite Ravi’s assertion otherwise.
That is why Congress did not stand with Shah Bano and let the MULLAH’swin the day
In fact all the scholarly work on ISLAM has come from WHITE people , JUST LIKE ANYTHING WORTH READING ON HINDUISM IS THE WORK OF WILSON JONES , CALHOUN AND MAX MULLER.
Radio carbon dating has put the earliest bits of quoran 300yrs after the death of prophet. The Complete oldest quoran is about 500 yrs after death .
Apparently scholars have studied quorans of different historical periods and the conclusion is it not a single document BUT HAS EVOLVED AND LAYERED UPON.
Just like you cannot run computers with DOS , i remember you needed to buy a 1000 page book to run the computer till WINDOWS came into the scene.Again PC is soon going to be defunct with the CLOUD COMPUTING
ITS TIME QUORAN IS UPDATED IN KEEPING WITH THE MIND SHATTERING ADVANCES IN HUMAN KNOWLEDGE.
Every society has accepted the SUPREMACY OF SCIENCE , EVEN THE STATE OF ISRAEL IS SECULAR DEMOCRACY, ONLY ISLAM CLINGS TO A MORIBUND DOGMA , and in doing so IS LEFT BEHIND AT THE MERCY OF WHITE IMPERIALISTS
Anonymous Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 7:09 am
Most of the religions have moved forward and in the process have discarded
most of the practices from scriptures which are not desireble now.
However, Islam wants to still live in 6th century. Once they find courage to
ignore/remove few of the hateful verses from Quran and Hadith, things will
automatically start improving. The clout of mullahs will also diminish
and people will outright reject the ludicrous fatwas issued by them.
Anonymous Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 7:34 am
100% in agreement with you and Shan.
I agree with most of your post.Knowledge of Science added in last 3-4 centuries by mostly Europeans is great and we should definitely be in line with it and further improve upon it.However let’s not discount at least 10000 years of knowledge base of Indian civilization.There are so many areas of Socio-Pscycological and deeper psychological knowledge which is part of our so called Spritual Knowledge base. This needs to be studied afresh( I am forced to use word Pscycology as vocabulary of English in these areas is extremely short).However to study them and imbibe them for our individual and Social Upliftment,we need to re-develop our Indian Ethos.This is what Swami Vivekanand was exhorting as mentioned in one of your earlier post.
Dear Dr Mishra,Balwinder,Vijay and Shenoy,
I agree with Dr Mishra.No point in responding to Engrich-Ramavtar.I feel Engrich posts can only be used to analyze how A normal good person can become brainwashed with Hateful philosophy of a sect and become demonic.
Ravi on the other hand knows what he is writing.I also think ,he is ,what he claims to be.I only feel that his brains are bright and are in the right place,however his heart is missing the right place.Last 800 years of brutal rule have destroyed our traditional institutions,it created a deep inferiority complex among us.It has also produced a great many people who learnt English and European generated knowledge .It was good in itself,but while doing so , they unlearnt their own knowledge base.So everything needed to be understood from an European view.It has created a huge class of rootless people.Ravi is only part of this group. Infact most of us are part of it. The difference could be only in degree to which European view is ingrained in us,or degree to which we are still imbibing our ancestral Indian ethos. View that sum total of our thousands of years of Indian civilization is it’s Cast
system alone , is product of this rootlessness.So whenever discussion on Indian civilization takes place,Cast is used as a weapon to stop any further discussion. If we had been more rooted in our own Indian ethos, we could have learnt what European civilization had to offer in much better way. We would have greatly improved upon it.Even on discussions of Cast system,we need not be so defensive.There are lot of things which developed as very wrong practices in Caste system,but everything about caste system was not bad.However this is a topic for another detailed discussion.
I request Dear Shenoy and Vijay to desist from getting into a slanging match. Quality of your post has definitely come down.I have read many of your earlier posts which were gems. Balwinderji is one of the most clear and incisive among various posts with Head and Heart in the right place. However he wraps it under lot of Humility.
Anonymous Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 7:13 am
You are right about Engrich. He should be ignored completely. But,
- kya karein, khujli hai – cannot stop sometimes from responding
to his garbage. By the way great posts, enjoyed reading.
engrich Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
jawab dene kee dum nahin hai.apni dhaplee apna raag
Anonymous Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 9:19 am
A very thought provoking, scholarly post, most of which I agree with.
I also agree with Mohan that engrich the fake Sikh and Faker Hindu, like his brother-in-arms, fake Ravi, are both like khujli; you cannot ignore a persistent, severe khujli for long.
I also agree that quality of our posts has not been the same as before. That is because most of the good bloggers like yourself, Vinoo, Praveen Saxena, Dr.Anand, Dr. Pankaj, Balwinder Singh, Gopi Thomas, Shoeb, Binoy Hegde and even Rajiv have all either deserted the blog altogether or have become “me too”.
This is why the blog has been taken over by a congressie troll, who can never resist his itch to post long and boring harangues persistently and the two jihadis who have a free run of the blog.
Ravi Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 11:09 am
The last sigh of a beaten alpha male, who can only muster barbs from the fringes of the pride.
Anonymous Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Ravi Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 11:12 am
I would like to further discuss the following:
1. Indian’s viewing India from a western perspective.
2. Social stratification and the evolution of Caste System in India.
Family duties deprive me of large chunks of blog time today, but I will respond to your considered and heartfelt post.
Anonymous Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Here is something to add to the debate
Swapan Dasgupta: Maharani’s durbar and a blinkered view of history
The Hindu sense of history has at the best of times been rather feeble. However, when it comes to the 190 years of British rule, the disdain for a recorded past is coupled with a spurious political correctness and hypocrisy. Even after six decades of Independence and flamboyant assertions of national sovereignty, India has yet to develop the necessary self-confidence to view history as history. Instead, the past has been sought to be tailor-made to view the prevailing political fashions of the present.
More to the point, there were enough Indians who genuinely believed (particularly after the demise of the East India Company in 1858) that British rule constituted a significant advance on anything the country had hitherto experienced.
This is not revisionist history. It is the history that was itself cynically revised as part of the nation-building project of India’s post-imperial rulers. But history isn’t rewritten by removing the George V statue from its canopied pedestal opposite India Gate or by renaming Connaught Place as Rajiv Chowk. Unless India is overcome by perversity, there will be a Lutyens’ Delhi distinct from a DDA Delhi, a Kingsway called Rajpath, the North and South Blocks and a Parliament House built for an India where democracy was conceived of as the future.
engrich Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
here when they say hindu,it actually mean brhmn.as other are their slave.even ghandhi was against,providing voting rights to dalits and other weaker sections of society.
you said (addressed to Vijay Kumar) :”Bah Humbug.
That is why no one here takes you seriously.”
This opinion you have expressed in respect of almost everybody, except your two “profoundly meaningful”partners, engrich ans Shaan Nirad Babu and a congrssie troll.
BUT EVERYBODY TAKES YOU SERIOUSLY, DESPITE YOUR FAKING YOUR NAME, YOUR COUNTRY AND YOUR RELIGION.
And that is because there is, in every one of your posts, an underlying hostility and hatred for Hinduism, Hindus and at times for India itself. And to keep these traits lie under, you call everybody else a Hindu fundoo.
When Tajender was thrown out by Vinod SHarma, you were the only one who opposed the move, while even his most steadfast backers Shaan and Prabhat kept quiet and agreed with the decision taken by Vinod Sharma.
THIS IS THE STARK REALITY ON THIS BLOG.
Ravi Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 10:11 am
Pathetic unsupported rubbish from a deranged Hindu Fundo who confuses his brand of RSS defined Extremist Hinduism, with every one else’s Hinduism.
I am not against Hinduism, I am not un-critical admirer of EVRYTHING that is Indian.
I do see 8.8% growth along side abject poverty. I see Malls next to shanty towns.
But for sure I am against YOU, even after you have reduced yourself to a pathetic runt.
I agree with you. Yahya was the most delusional among all despots.
I never cease to wonder how such an unintelligent, ill-informed sex-pervert became Pakistan’s destiny-maker.
Yes, the day Pakistan surrendered, most shamefully-and tragically for it, most unnecessarily- the whole of India felt as if our nation had purged itself of the shame of a thousand years of subjugation.
Anna Hazare, CNN-IBN’s Indian Of The Year, had a rousing welcome in Bangalore. His entire team, including Justice Hegde were the toast of the garden city. There were thousands of youngsters, not seen even in Amul Baby’s meetings, cheering every word coming from the podium.
IT WAS A FITTING, HARD-HITTING REPLY TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEGUN, RATHER PREMATURELY, TO GLOAT OVER THE NCP VICTORY IN LOCAL ELECTIONS IN MAHRASHTRA.
And, by the way, the entire expeneses were met by the contributions made by the audience!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ Shoeb and cingulate
Thank you Shoeb, I know how you feel. In company of elders and in a group, the loudest voice takes over and says that you are a Muslim and your path has been already decided by the Mullah and the book. This is what you need to wear, this is who you eat, how you take a bath and how to pray. Our religion needs a shakeup. Maybe a 100 Salman Rushdies and Taslimas. You may not agree with them but the had a right to be different and they excercised it well.
Cingulate you are right about the submission thing, Our mind needs flexibility. Frankly many Muslims are forced to reject new ideas because they are told that this has already been decided by the mullah. On this blog I can hear of one or two voices who keep scaring you that Muslims should obey the fatwa… Muslim women will be exploited by zionists and what not.
I was religious once. Now I find many religions– especially islam– mentally binding. But I will remain a Muslim. In my small way try to change convention.
engrich Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 10:18 am
idols breaking was breaking of old ideas with new.parameters in which muslim should live is very practicle and makes man proper human being.mental binding for good is not bad.
but with zoinism and brhmnsm our war is eternal.it is war between mangoose and serpent never ending.
they stand for unequality,usuary and racialism.while we stand for egalatarianism nad honesty.our main war with these 2 satanic forces is because of our opposition with interest economy.which is prohibited in christianity judaism and islam.this is in root of all problems in the worlds.
western media is against mullah,only because they are not ready to assimilate.tell me what mullah said wrong.
the reason, japan was bombed and saddam and ghaddafi lost their neck.
if awnser dont use abusive language.
Anonymous Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Let me state the total truth. Too many Muslims are blinded by the fact that they are supposed to be slaves of Arab masters who are superior. My father served as a doctor in Saudi Arabia and I spent six years there. The treatment of the local Arabs to the Indian-Paksitani migrants was worse than what brahmins did to lower castes. Many a times they woudl appear with young mistresses all picked from India and Pakistan. Is that not expolitation. So please shake your beliiefs and what maulvis have taught you.
Hindus are shaking up the caste system by removing brahmin hegemony. We are going backwards by clinging on to Muslim personal law which is very much worse than casteism as it puts half of the Muslim population– women– at a disadvantage. Please understand that your talk of brahmins and zionists harldy impresses the new generation who want to be friends with all religions and want to kcik the fundoos– i hate to say, like you (sorry for being abusive)
If you give me ten ways in which we can become better Indians and free our women from repression I will be more polite.
engrich Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
Let me state the total truth. Too many Muslims are blinded by the fact that they are supposed to be slaves of Arab masters who are superior
it is an absolute lie ,as per islam arab and non arab are same and equal.this is bullshit propaganda.we follow message of prophet
not sauidi arabia.
Hindus are shaking up the caste system by removing brahmin hegemony
things are other way around.caste is based of hinduism.it is divine as they are made by lord krishna in bagwat geeta.those who oppos caste will no more remain hindus.but there is a catch here,
now brhmnst have enslaved india.they want others to become brother and serve them.anti-caste cry is coming from rss the hindu nazis.which is rejected by masses as they know it is project brhmsnm.
The treatment of the local Arabs to the Indian-Paksitani migrants was worse than what brahmins =======
yes it is unislamic and bad.need correction.u dont understand brhmnsm.it will take time.but these arabs are paying 4-5 times salary than what they get in india.moreover security and equality before law.
they woudl appear with young mistresses all picked from India and Pakistan. Is that not expolitation
they are not mistress,they are prostitutes come there on visa.
but india has biggest brothels of world.arabs are known for hospitality generosity and bravery.they change their life when they come in contact with them.
i am against zoinism not jews or brhmnsm not brhmnsm.these 2 evil satanic forces are eating very vitals of our society.we indians have the largest pool of illetrate people
poverty level in many areas in more than sub-sahara region.though i can safely say that india is richest country of world.
If you give me ten ways in which we can become better Indians and free our women from repression I will be more polite.
we muslims are the best and most patriotic indians.we are creator of wealth.every city from delhi to calcutta is known for our hard labour and skill.same in south.parasitic hindu banias
are only dallal.selling our product at high prices (40 time)and at cash they become fatty and farty.
instruction of holy quran has liberated the muslim women.among hindus if dowry is less women is burn,feded less during childhood and left to die in brindavan(up)when old.have u ever heard any muslim women being treated like this either in india or in arabia.
Ravi Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 11:23 am
I feel the heat in your post here.
Liberal forms of Islam have existed throughout its history. This form of Islam did not interpret dress sense, and other cultural artefacts from THE BOOK.
Due to quirky arrangements of Power Politics in the Middle East, as well as the lopsided Economic development has led to resurgence of a much more conservative and austere form of Islam as championed by the Salafi Group of Islamic Jurisprudence.
What you are suggesting here – correctly, I may add – is to resist this form of Islam.
I believe that outside of the Deobandis, Indian Muslims are quite successfully resisting this right ward drift.
Anonymous Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
I do not believe in Ravi’s statement “I believe that outside of the Deobands, Indian Muslims are quite successfully resisting the right ward drift”
I base this on what is happening in Kerala (and spreading out to other parts). Muslims always had prominent political, economic, and educational status in kerala. (many may not know Islam was in kerala (then Malabar) almost from the Prophet’ death, with Arab traders coming and settling – the term “Mappila”, used for Muslims, literally means son-in-law)”
The moderate party, Muslim League has been in almost all the ministries since the state formation; with 4 ministers out of the 20 in the present ministry (with an additional 2 Muslims from other political parties of UDF).
They are the second richest after Christians, educationally they may be third after Christians and Hindus, but only marginally
Unlike in North India, BJP does not have any power , with no single assembly seat; with no single municipal chairmanship (whereas Muslim League has several chairmanships and 26 or so assembly seats)
But Kerala Muslims have been getting radicalized – a few years ago two (or four) Kerala Muslim boys died in an encounter with the army in Kashmir. Several cases connected with terrorism were uncovered, the most recent being the arrest/extradition of T Nazir (supposedly LeT leader of South India) from Bengla Desh- the terror recruitment and planning by Abdus Madani –. And the recent chopping of the hands of Professor Joseph by the members of PFI (the ex NDF).(and the trove of hate materials, documents uncovered in the raids connected with that)
Kerala will be the last place one will expect to have radical Muslims. Oppression, poverty, discrimination, lack of education, ghettoizing ????? Figure it out.
In another response here in this blog, some of us were discussing one of the illustrious sons of Kerala, Verghese Kurien, who is the father of milk revolution in India.
Well, another Kerala son, E Aboobacker, is the founder of NDF (after banning it is PFI now), chairman of its political party SDPI, calling for taking over Delhi.
And the sad thing is that he could speak to a rally in Ramlila maidan where the congress would not allow Ramdev or Hazare to speak) exhorting his followers that “I can see Delhi clear from here; we will just take over and bring the old glory back”
Anonymous Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
you have given the contours of a very ugly picture that is about to be completed.
It indeed is a tragedy that the economically well off Mapillas have displayed a terrible lack of stake in the future of India itself, risking the future of all Mapillas in the process.
I have learnt from friends and relatives that a lot of Gulf money is financing the land grab in Mnagalore, the buyers being these same Mapillas.
It is a tragedy that this community has not thrown up any leader from within of national stature, who can and should guide them from the terribly misguided road they have taken.
Ravi Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
I accpet your analysis without reservation.
I agree that my statement was narrowly focused on the North Indian reality.
Kerala experience has some elements of Saudi money coming into Islamic institutions there as well as young Keralites being radicalised in the Emirates and Saudi.
Anonymous Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
As usual balanced, coherent and inteligent post which tells
us actually what is happening.
engrich Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Kerala will be the last place one will expect to have radical Muslims. Oppression, poverty, discrimination, lack of education, ghettoizing
because of gulf money.now richest indian in uae is malyalee muslim sm yusuf.malyalee muslims are god fearing hard working and practising muslims.gulf coutries are main reason.otherwise they were most suppressed during british era
engrich Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Maybe a 100 Salman Rushdies and Taslimas
rushdie took 5million pounds to write shit.tasleema is divorced 5 times and is heavily paid to join anti-islamic circus.they are doing acting for money.jokers of zoinist and brhmnst circus.
Anonymous Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Nobody forces anyone to read a Salman Rushdie or a Taslima Nasreen.
If their writings question their own (or other) religion or beliefs or whatever, then they be examined dispassionately. Only the weak and the intolerant will reject any criticism outright. Nothing is perfect and static in this world, including religious beliefs and practices, and anything that helps to reduce the imperfections in the world must be welcomed.
Ravi Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
You know this is absolute rubbish.
Both Salman and Taslima wrote of their free will.
engrich Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
they are paid.penguine has accepted paying 5million pound to salman.otherwise fromwhere he got money to live so lavishly.defaming islam(and other religion)is part of zoinism.atleast one anti-muslim news should be in media once in week.last week fatwa from salafi waiting something this week.
Ravi Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Penguin did not ask Salman to write Satanic Verses. He chose the subject.
As his publishers they also paid for the Jaguar Smile and other works.
When he was “doing it” to Noor Jehan from behind,
He must be screaming with the ‘release’ of dam-bursting,
“sara Pakistan mere joote ke neeche,
sara ‘jehaan’ mere l**nd ke ooper,
Mein India ke ooper, haaa, haaa, haaa”
Vinod Sharma Reply:December 19th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Pl desist from such language. You could have made the same point in different words.
@To my fellow indians, It is only partly true that only”white” people are responsible for the all the scientific knowledge of last 300yrs. ISLAM HAD MASSIVE SCIENCE.
Amazing the religion that created ALGEBRA(the original arabic word is Al-jibra) TRANSLATED ALL THE HINDU MATHEMATICAL TEXTS AND DISSIMENINATED THE HINDU INVENTION OF DECIMEL SYSTEM , is now so much ANTI SCIENCE AND MISOGYNIST.
The NATURE magazine circa 1984-1985 wrote in one of the articles
INDIA’S GREATEST GIFT TO USA IS THE IIT’S
engrich Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
islam was never anti-science.getting knowledge is among the instructions of holy quran.islam was base of rennaince.it is not algebra.ibn sina is father of modern science.astrology and astroomy were invented by muslims.coffe watch camera are muslim invention.word chemistry is drived from arabic word chemia.alcohol alkaline aluumunium are all arabic word.500 years before oxford was formed,muslims were having universities in egypt and spain.library system is gift of muslims.1000 years ago city of cordoba had many many libararies with more than million books.
since crusaders took arabic physics and astonomy, used it find alternate route to india via cape of good hope.clouds of deppression which were spreaded over west descended on middle east.oil has given another energy.
tehran university has 60%girl students.they are writing papers as good as thir counterpart in america.scientifically they have become very advanced ,hacking of stealth drone is proof of their advancement.
but now muslims are far behind zoinists.but they are trying to catch them though very difficult.but efforts is there emirated and saudia have become hub of education
which is totally free,supported by best american universities of europe and america.with high moral principle added to education system we mat surpass them in future if not in near future.
Anonymous Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Perhaps before a point in time in history, scientific discoveries from many societies did complement each other and expanded our knowledge base.
For the last couple of centuries, the source of scientific knowledge has shifted base to places where “white” people are indeed are dominant. Scientists from other places/societies have made considerable contributions mostly when in “white” places.
IITs. What if all the IITians had chosen to remain in India?
Anonymous Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
“” What if all the IITians had chosen to remain in India? “‘
Very pertinent question.
Anonymous Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Where is your pertinent conjecture to the pertinent query?
Christopher Hutchins, the great friend of India is dead.
TIMES OF INDIA HONOURS ITSELF BY WRITING THIS OBITUARY FOR A MAN, WHO SAID, (AMONG OTHER THINGS) :
1.”Gandhi cannot escape culpability for being the only major preacher of appeasement who never changed his mind.”
2.”The two main symbols of Pakistan’s pride-its army and its nuclear program-are wholly parasitic on American indulgence and patronage,”
3.”The army and nukes from that “degraded” country (Pakistan) are intended to be reserved for war against the neighboring democracy of India.”
4.”If we ever ceased to swallow our pride, so I am incessantly told in Washington, then the Pakistani oligarchy might behave even more abysmally than it already does, and the situation deteriorate even further. This stale and superficial argument ignores the awful historical fact that, each time the Pakistani leadership did get worse, or behave worse, it was handsomely rewarded by the United States.”
5.”How could it be ”worse” if we shifted our alliance and instead embraced India, our only rival in scale as a multi-ethnic and multi-religious democracy, and a nation that contains nearly as many Muslims as Pakistan?”
6.”This comity and integration is one of the many targets of the suicide killers, and it is another reason why firm, warm solidarity with India is the most pressing need of the present hour,”
On the 40th anniversary of India’s greatest victory over the terrorist state Pakistan, here is a picture that speaks eloquently about the difference between Indira Gandhi and MMS:
Parliament will have final word on Lokpal: Advani
Don’t dictate terms to Parliament: Omar to Anna
Wah Mishraji is diving in Egypt while it snows here in england. I hate show offs hehe . Koi gal nahin, I agree with you, engaging with Shan/ cingulate and engrich is pointless. And no, I dont trip Ravi, he trips himself.
Parvez puttar I disagree, salman rushdie is no hero, he is idiot. The fatwa on him is wrong but to write vulgar book on islam dragged whole world into chaos. India has much bigger muslim heroes
So everyone now, no slanging matches with Ravi and Engrich, EVER
Manohar, very biting question, what if IIT students had stayed in India
engrich Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Expand Wah Mishraji is diving in Egypt
piya gaye rangoon
wahan se kiya hai telephone
tumharee yaad aati hai
Whether Salman Rushdie was an idiot or not depends upon a person’s point of view, but, even an idiot is allowed to speak his mind. What about freedom of speech? Dont we also think of some of the bloggers as idiots? But, nobody
issues fatwa asking for that person to be killed. No one takes out a procession and burns busses and shops.
The people who react violently after reading such books should be stopped
and castigated, not the people who write .
Anonymous Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
when a faith is full of followers like engrich and fake Ravi, what else do you expect? Upavaas?
Anonymous Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
~~~ BACK AFTER A GOLFING DAY on a nice chilly delhi Sunday ~~~
Hi everyone ! Am back after a round of golf. Am a total beginer but….
@ Dr Mishra
Thx for giving me the idea of golf. Try the greater Noida Golf course next time u r in India. It is designed by greg Norman. I always thought that golf was a retired man’s lazy sport. But my first lesson today… and walking ont he grass with a hint of fog was.. poetic !!
As for your advice on not wasting time on Ravi and Engrich. Thx Doc Sahab! But I knwo what I am doing. Right now I am in the middle of writing a book on a jeahdi plot. Ravi’s mindset perfectly fits in with a Jehadi ideologue of a charcter I have in mind. English speaking, confused, commited to justifying terror and fundamantalism.
Will send you and Ravi a copy whenver it gets published !!
I agree and disagree on Salman rushdie. I read Satanic verses. It was more bring than insulting. It was a parody. rushdie was notbeing insulting, just trying to be funny. Anyway at that time Shashi Tharoor too had written a book called the “great Indian story” based on the Mahabharata. nobody bayed for his blood.
And funnily as it compared the Mahabharata to the then politcs of India it had Indira gandhi as “indira duryodhini” and had a torrid scen of edwina Mountabatter in bed.. with guess who..with descrition like ” the bean pole being mounted by the flag…”
Thank u for the detailed description of the Kerala scene. Hope paradise does not get ruined…
Nice to read u!1 More power to ur pen… err Keyboard !!
Anonymous Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
George Bernard Shaw said, ‘to play golf well is a sign of an ill-spent youth’.
So, while I bless you with all my heart for good progress in Golf, please don’t master the game. Remember Tiger Woods!
For almost twenty years, I daily passed by the Army Golf Course in Dhaula Kuan and feasted my eyes on the greenery and the vast expanses. But those are now only sweet, yet distant memories.
And on the book you are writing, create the character of fake Ravi with care and as near to truth as can be. Even the ISI should give him a real promotion after reading it!
I would like to be among the first of a million buyers of it.
Anonymous Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
Dont listen to Shenoy. Try to emulate Tiger woods — not necessarily in golf — as long as you are not married.
engrich Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
vijay tum sudhar nahin sakte ho.
Here is my view on the two topics that you raised in your post.
1. Indians viewing India through western perspective
There is no doubt in my mind that some 2000 or so, years ago India/Hinduism led the world in terms of Philosophical thinking these days termed as Speculative Thinking. This created an un-beatable understanding of Man’s relationship with Nature and God. This is well documented in travel-logs of those who visited India during these periods from places such as China and Greece.
Please note that little or no documentary evidence exists within India. The reason for that is simple, In India knowledge was orally passed on from one generation to another and writing was comparatively little used. This is oft quoted as one of the reason why India lost its once unassailable prominence.
India is still worlds ahead in SPECULATIVE THINKING. We are probably the most imaginative people in the world. Our scriptures, as well as ancient literature, are a testimony to this.
However, where west was able to evolve Science and Logic out of Philosophy and then develop a separate methodology for each of these disciplines, India was slow to adopt these new methods. These then went on to be classed as Scientific Methods, for Medicine, Physics, Chemistry etc and Ethno Methodology for Sociology, Psychology and to a lesser degree History.
It is adaptation of these METOHDS of study and investigation, that has created what you term as Western perspective and I would call it SCIENTIFIC methodology.
When an Indian who has adapted such methodology then publishes their work, which revises or challenges received, wisdom (based upon Speculative Thinking) then conflict develops. Such Indians are then called JNU types, Gaddars, or ever Shavet Lingham Pujari’s.
There is no Western Perspective or an Indian Perspective. There is either a Scientific way of looking at available evidence or there is a Speculative way of thinking. In modern India the two clash and the result is visible in political conflicts.
Anonymous Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
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Ravi Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
Not surprising, it did not include in it, he said to him this and then he replied that, type of tittle tattle., the hall mark of your pathetic intellect.
Speaks volumes about you.
mishrajee if u are in aqaba go to luxor.u will enjoy and see the birthplace of brhmn mythology.i amy go to aqaba in may 2012.on sheikh is builting resot opposite isreal
by investing 8billion dollars.project is on drawing board in finishing stages.
Thank you vijay kumar. My tirade is against is all funddos who try to rstrict the human spirit.
Ravi Reply:December 18th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
I believe that Vijay Kumar Khapaonda does try to restrict the human spisrit of those that he deems to be anti Indian.
In that respect he is no better than a fatwa passing mad mullah.
Balls Bhondhu bares his skull, as expected IT IS FULL OF WEED.The Satanic Verses , is a very interesting novel.It does not have any formal structure like a plot or well defined hero or villain. The sweep of language is BREATHTAKING(Ashish may be interested). There is no DIRECT derogatory reference to the prophet.In fact prophet is shown as quite an upright man.There is a line which was basically unneccasary , which reads as follows “The whores started claiming them as his wife”.There is no line that suggests that prophet had any interest in them , despite their invitation.
Other allusion is to the two accompanients of prophet Bilal and somebody else , whom rushdie refers as Scum and Bum. Rushdie does lampoon the whole business of REVELATION , then that applies to all religion.
Also people dismiss how similar are SIKHS, the same VIOLENT URGE whenever religion is mentioned. THEIR TURBAN IS SAME AS HIJAB, UK police bars Sikh police officers to take part in ACTIVE ACTION because THEY REFUSE TO WEAR HELMET
Namaskar Pervez bhai
I had explained to you that this Ravi and Engrich have an agenda which tries to tie the Muslims to backwardness, convention and orthodoxy. If you analyse their posts you can derive the following meanings
a) When you pointed out the extreme exploitation of 13 yr old girls by 75 yr old Arabs the duo immediately justifed that by saying those girls were prostitutes and the rich Arabs were generous kings. No regard for paedophelia… just their inferiority complex speaking out.
b) In between the duo kept muttering zionism, brhmnsm bullshitsm etc etc. trying to exploit Muslmi girls. Then adding that it was necessary to keep them in burqa to protect these girls from zionists, brhmns etc etc.
c) When you again dwelt upon the issue of poor girls being exploited… engrich started shouting (with RAVI’s backing RSS RSS BJP BJP !!) Then justified the child rape by saying that Arabs were doing a favour as they are giving jobs to the girls brother. Indirectly implying that indian Muslims should turn a blind eye when Arabs come and pick girls here as then these Muslims will get jobs….
Wha wehWAH WAH WAH !! How sordid !! How sick !!!
YOu will notice that Ravi is a double agent like David coleman headley while Engrich is a brainwashed jehadi ****.
I think you are doing a grand job for the Muslim community by decimating such species…
Ravi Reply:December 19th, 2011 at 9:15 am
Once again Vijay Kumar Khapaonda issues a FATWA to tell Pervez what to think.
HINDU Fascists on the rise again.
Anonymous Reply:December 19th, 2011 at 9:33 am
You obviously support these case of paedophelia like ur partner Engrich. How sad and sick !!
Ravi Reply:December 19th, 2011 at 9:39 am
You can think what you want.
I think you are a proven H I N D U Fascist.
An intollerant bigot
Anonymous Reply:December 19th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Paedophillia supporters should be jailed along with theri partners in any corner of the world. This man and his partner Engrich is bringing a bad name to India and to communities .
Ravi Reply:December 19th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Pervez is no man’s fool
When you say ‘we’ it obviously means the real Ravi. I think you should reveal your true identity now… as it has inadverntaly come out..
Ravi Reply:December 19th, 2011 at 9:20 am
We certainly throw excess salt over our left shoulders.
Did you bazurgs, not do that??
Since you are graduate in Physics, can you tell me in brief
something about this Higgs Boson or God’s particle as
it is being called by some.. Scientists around the world
seem to be very excited about this discovery.
Ravi Reply:December 19th, 2011 at 9:28 am
Yesterday, Prof Brian Cox (former keyboard player fo D’Ream) held a one hour public lecture on Quantum Physics. Among the few scientists he mentioned was Chandershakher. Now that was a moment to be a proud Indian, and I was.
My understanding is that current mathematics does not quite adds up KNOWN PARTICALS to the expected total weight of the UNIVERSE. To balance that Prof Bose postulated the existence of unknown particles, know as the Higgs Boson particles.
Considering that up until now they were a theoretical construct, the Hydron Collider team conducted some experiments to prove their existence. It is the results of these experiments which has revived interest in them.
BTW I have NO qualifications in Physics, so this should be taken with a pinch of salt. If the pinch is too big then do not forget to throw excess salt over your left shoulder.
HINDU Fascists on the rise again
@mohanr, I do not know a great deal. Little that I know is from books on history of medicine by WHITES.Debi prasad Chatterjee had written a 15 volume treatise on indian science and philosophy. I hope to come face to face with it SOME DAY..Nose chopping used to be a common punishment in ancient india thus the forehead flap was devoloped. They had a full array of instruments for dealing with piles etc, also used Sulphur for fumigation.
BUT THE FIRST REAL CREDIT IN DEMYSTIFYING THE HUMAN BODY GOES TO LEONARDO DA VINCI WHO USED TO DISSECT DEAD BODIES AND THEN MAKE DRAWINGS
Anonymous Reply:December 19th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Thanks for the information. A short while ago
I had asked Manohar about Higgs Boson
- God’s particle – . I am sure you would know about this . Will you please help me understand that why scientists are so much
excited about this discovery?
debate is on past.
Please join in. Both your knowledge as well as your debating skills will improve.
Thanks for the flattering comments. I do hope I keep you entertained /engrossed.
You touched upon the subject of science. Well let me tell you what I feel– as an engineer now involved in research on a) earthquake engineering b) Structural dynamic of the human body as intrepreted in Biophysics and psychology.
Aaloke we have the mental make up and the intellectual resources to deliver scientific research, but we badly flounder in
a) delivering world class products based on scientific research, tested in labs, standardised as per international standards.
b) We still get emotional about research in the wrong way. In case it clashes with convention… we let convention win.
I think that is what happened in the 11 th century when you say our research culture collapsed. In case we had used the knowledge then to create products… science would have seemed to create a better life then.
There are a huge number of scientists who still have not got their due in India and abroad. George Sudarshan– Gopi will love this, pure Malyali from Kerala — has been passed over for the Nobel prize at least 5 times. In college we used to joke that Sudarshan created the idea of time travel– by talking about particles which could travel faster than light. Today the experiment at Cerne is zeroing on that.
However most of these guys did have to use the base of the West to surge ahead. Sadly our own labs are floundering now. My gen loves computers and software. Few want to go for pure sciences.
At the end of the day we should not overlook Yoga and Ayurveda as our lasting contribution to sciences. They are complete systems themselves/ But if we extol Ayurveda without creating products which can be used in routine medicare, without creating the metered dose which can cure in the same manner as the lab created molecule– then only does it have the full potential to become a complete lifepartner…..
Chyvanprash and other Dabar products in the UK are sold under FOOD and not even complimentary medicine
Anonymous Reply:December 19th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Dabur Chyawanprash is not a medicine.
It is a health-care product and sold as such alongwith many others.
Ravi Reply:December 19th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
So true, but it did not stop my Grand Ma to prescribe it for all manner of illness.
As I said, I felt good being an Indian as I heard – towards the end of an entertaining lecture by Brian Cox – a testimony to Prof Chandrashakher
I have this uncomfortable feeling that Aaloke is also trying to raise much the same point as you are.
Which is that India, like other places in the world, was advancing in Science and Scientific Methodology, and that the Muslims, Dutch, Portuguese, the English suppressed this activity by demolishing Indian institutions.
Whilst there is no denying that such destruction did take place, it is difficult to judge from history as to how much.
The fact is that recent advancement made by Indian scientists around the world has been as a result of western style education and adaptation of Scientific Methodology, in preference to contemplative Speculative thinking in which we were world leaders 3 millennia ago.
Anonymous Reply:December 19th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
I am not raising any point; but stating few facts.
engrich Reply:December 19th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
as per macaulay u cannot spirituallt enslave indian till their ancient education system(hindus/muslims)is destroyed.that is why so much attack on madarssas.madarssas and pathshalas gives birt to freedom fighters and honest excutives.
Conventional medicines have no side-effects, right?
This link is to the US Government website.
Food Security Bill
Are we ready for it?
Is this the right time to bring it?
Would it be passed in this session?
ishwar– It is a good bill; however, they should just sit on it..
pretty soon , there may not be “i” in “BRIC” countries if we go the way we are..
Anonymous Reply:December 19th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
If it’s good, when should we bring it in?
As of now we are experiencing high inflation and interest rates, low industrial output and sentiment, chance of a high fiscal deficit and rapidly declining currency.
What should improve in,your opinion, before we are ready to make it a law?
Or, is our economist PM good enough to finance it even in these economic conditions?
Appreciate your response. Thanks very much.
Your pal has given an “intellectual” response below. Please answer on my behalf.
Ravi Reply:December 19th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Why should I answer on your behalf..
If I wish to answer it, I’d do it my self, I do not need to hide behind you.
well check out palm oil for cholestrol. it freezes pretty fast. my gut feeling (to be checked out) is that it could not be very good.
SOME mad mullah’s
malaysian mullah recommended yoga without using shalok.mullah are very reasonable people.
i oppose it as it is useless.like janam kundali it is marketed on propaganda.
Promotion in the name of punishment. Message is being sent, if you implement our agenda we will not hesitate to hoodwink the public in order to safeguard you!
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India’s population is a mountain of S-H-I-T. Kejriwal and India’s media people are particles of S-H-I-T in this mountain of S-H-I-T.According to a Washington Post story, more than 40 television cameras reported on Arvind Kejriwal waving a plain piece of paper — no other documentation — with a list of people with accounts in HSBC bank in Geneva. Documentation of K. Subrahmanyam coming on line, along with the CIA Director Michael Hayden, on August 9, 2008 and offering to transfer one crore rupees into my bank account within 48 hours if I agreed to work for the CIA — which shows Indian governments, in the present and in the past, to be proxies for the CIA — can be seen via HaydenSubrahmanyamDOTblogspotDOTcom and there is not a single television camera facing me to cover this biggest expose since India’s so-called ‘Independence’. IndiasTraitorGovtAndMediaDOTblogspotDOTcom .Why did Kejriwal, a mechanical engineer, become an income tax officer — are the salaries of Indian government income tax officers more than those of mechanical engineers? No, he did that to collect crores and crores in bribes which he keeps in Swiss bank accounts and his wife, still an income tax officer, now collects hundreds and hundreds of crores in bribes paid by corporates and individuals to avoid being targeted by Kejriwal. His associate, Prashant Bhushan, admits to having ‘managed’ many high court and supreme court judges by bribing them and they now threaten to expose some of the judges sitting on high profile cases for years in exchange for bribes from parties to the cases who will lose if the cases moved, so Bhushan and company can collect huge bribes from parties to other cases by threatening to similarly expose judges presiding over them.An item on the Indian defence web site, bharat-rakshakDOTcom, a few days ago referred to a web site in the United States inviting all those who obtained information via the Right-to-Information act in India to send the information they obtained to the American website to be included in a centralized data base. This web site is CIA-sponsored and the information is used by the CIA for blackmail and other purposes. Kejriwal’s involvement in the Right-to-Information movement which led to the passing of the Right-to-Information Act was part of this CIA-sponsored intelligence-gathering operation and he was rewarded with the CIA-controlled Magsaysay award as a result.The Washington Post story dated November 9 ‘12 regarding Kejriwal that I saved on my computer has been replaced on its web site by a different story that makes no mention of the more than 40 television cameras and the original story I saved on my computer disappears from my computer screen as soon as I load it — part of CIA-RAW’s ‘managing’ of Kejriwal, as were the cameras.Because of what I have written — IndianAirForcePilotsMurderDOTblogspotDOTcom — about the sabotage of India’s weapon platforms via joint exercises with the United States and about the U.S. Secretary of State then welcoming joint India-Australia exercises in the future to get it done through Australia, the U.S. has moved for joint bases with India to get around that and make the Indian military serve the United States as it served the British. As I have said, Indians in the army, air force, navy as well as police in their millions served and fought for the British and not a single one of them fought the British on behalf of India — and they were maintained with revenues extracted from India’s population and that continues today. The same is the case with Central and state legislatures — there were elections under the British, Indians formed Central and state legislatures and executives and the present day legislatures, police, etc. work in the same buildings, under the same laws and rules with cosmetic changes of Indians controlled by CIA-RAW as the rulers. The media are thoroughly CIA-RAW controlled. Sending IAS officers for “training” to the United States is part of ensuring the loyalty and subservience of the civilian administration as of the military to the Americans who have replaced the British as India’s rulers. And now members of parliament are sent for training to U.S. universities. Sending over a hundred thousand students a year for post-graduate studies in the United States, Britain, etc. ensures Indians outside government remaining under control of and loyal to U.S. – Britain. I have described elsewhere — JoinIndiaWarOfIndependenceDOTblogspotDOTcom — M. K. Gandhi’s and Jawaharlal Nehru’s fake ‘Independence’ struggle managed by the Intelligence Bureau. WhatYouShouldKnowAboutRAWDOTblogspotDOTcom .I wrote: “Just as RAW-induced cricket fever sweeps India and does no good and a lot of harm to India, replacing real victory and supremacy over white countries, for example, with fake ‘victories’ and ’supremacy’ over enemies, Hazare’s fake fast was entertainment — the arrests and conflicts with government are meant to generate support and make/keep him a hero — sponsored by CIA-RAW to keep India ‘Gandhian’ — and so poor, weak and enslaved — due to the recent disclosure that M. K. Gandhi, a lifelong British agent, was a homosexual who wrote to the white man “How completely you have taken possession of my body. It is slavery with a vengeance”. Nehru admitted to U.S. ambassador Galbraith that he was a lifelong British agent.” India’s population is a mountain of S-H-I-T. M. K. Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru were particles of S-H-I-T in this mountain of S-H-I-T.Are India’s present day rulers and public figures — Manmohan Singh, Advani, the rest of the members of parliament, etc., better than M. K. Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru? No, they are particles of S-H-I-T in the mountain of S-H-I-T that is India’s population. Members of India’s parliament are particles of S-H-I-T in the mountain of S-H-I-T that is India’s population.The institution of Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) was formed under the British and Indians are allowed to fight about bribes and corruption; what they are NOT allowed to fight is the continuation of white rule over India whose economic consequences also are incomparably greater. JoinIndiaWarOfIndependenceDOTblogspotDOTcom and ‘How India’s Economy Can Grow 30% Per Year Or More’ : HowIndiasEconomyCanGrowDOTblogspotDOTcom .It needs to be clarified that nearly three million Indians from India now in the United States with very high levels of education and a median household income over eighty thousand dollars per year — more than any other ethnic group — remain particles of S-H-I-T from the mountain of S-H-I-T that is India’s population. NuclearSupremacyForIndiaOverUSDOTblogspotDOTcom .
Anonymous Reply:November 27th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
after reading your first 2 lines I felt as if you are writing sitting inside shit so couldn’t read further.
Syed Reply:November 27th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
If you have to say something, keep it brief, otherwise, the reader looses the interest. You lost me after the 4th line. I don’y know how the others fared. O yes, I read some words containing S-H-I-T.
Pir Reply:November 28th, 2012 at 1:07 am
What the fcuk did you eat before writing this one. i guess it must be
MANISH TEWARI THINKS HIMSELF A GREAT ORATOR.BUT UNFORTUNATELY HIS ARROGANCE REFLECTS IN EVERY STATEMENT HE MAKES.HE MUSTNOT FORGET EVEN CONGRESS IS ALSO ONE OF THE 1301 ODD PARTIES IN THE COUNTRY.TOMORROW THEY CAN BE ANOTHER RJD.
NO TOP CONGRESS LEADER DARES TO GO TO GUJRAT FOR COMPAIGNING.THE PEOPLE WHO ARE FIGHTING BJP OR EX RSS MEN LIKE KESHU BHAI ONLY.SO WHERE IS CONGRESS IN GUJRAT?
RAUL WINCI IS NON STARTER.HE HAS NO GUTS TO VISIT GUJRAT AFTER BEATING HE GOT IN UP.
Anangsen Reply:November 28th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Does anyone believe tiwari one bit after he calledAnna “corrupt from head to toe”?!
In English, writing in HT, we would call it “Mango Man Party”, or MMP.
In my Bharat Mahaan, media has been bought by the Corrupt Congress otherwise don’t you think that it is the duty of the media to inform the common people about the wrongdoings of the ruling party, but alas it is NOT happening.
Junior Badal is the most corrupt politician. He is the most richest politician in the world. Have you guys (MEDIA) ever paused for a second to figure it out how?
The only hope India has is Kejriwal. Wake up India from your slumbers and strengthen Kejriwal. Vote for AAP.
If Kejriwal or any other party want to get succeeded to parliament then they need to ensure people coming into politics as member of parliament should neither have any type of business interest nor they allow to extend any kind of support to any of their relatives having business intesest. Vijay
” the flags that were waived when Anna roared against corruption inviting the common man to denounce the corrupt politicians — will be needed in the electoral arena to keep AAP alive in years to come. ”
I agree with the anxiety of Sunita Behn here. Let us not forget that we defeated Gen B C Khanduri but elected Pokhriyal. But the good development is that Corruption has been put on the National Agenda by the non political activists .. Baba Ramdev , Anna and Kejriwal …. Would like to see how he fares in politics
Kushal, more than welcome to come take books! Thanks for WSD number, gave them 7 cartons of books!